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Japanese ships auto damage - 2/19/2005 11:49:31 PM   
toraq


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Status: offline 		I was just testing a naval battle in the Marianas scenario and after a draw battle with american BBs, this is what happened:

My TF met many PT boats and in the process they started to increase the damage, without reason...and that ended with
-Yamato is going to sink due to a torpedo launched by a PT boat...
-Musashi is going to sink due to a 14.1 and a 16.1 inches hits
-Nagato is going to sink due to a single hit
-Kongo sunk due to a PT torpedo and two or three shots...maybe this is the only one that could be justified...
Of course none of the hits were Magazine Explosions...

Here is the combat report after the night engagement with the American BB. See how the BB start to become from On fire to On fire, Heavy damaged, without a reason...


Night Time Surface Combat, near Saipan at 63,64

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, on fire
BB Haruna
BB Nagato, on fire
BB Yamato
BB Musashi, on fire
CA Chikuma
CA Atago
CA Chokai
CA Haguro, on fire
CA Kumano
DD Akitsuki, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Wakazuki, on fire
DD Nowaki, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Asagumo

Allied Ships
PT PT-20, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
PT PT-40
PT PT-46
PT PT-107
PT PT-374
PT PT-463, Shell hits 7, and is sunk

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Saipan at 63,64

Japanese Ships *****three ships on fire, only the Kongo was hit heavily*****BB Kongo, on fire
BB Haruna
BB Nagato, on fire
BB Yamato
BB Musashi, on fire
CA Chikuma
CA Atago
CA Chokai
CA Haguro, on fire
CA Kumano
DD Akitsuki, on fire
DD Wakazuki, on fire
DD Nowaki, on fire, heavy damage
DD Asagumo

Allied Ships
PT PT-23, Shell hits 12, and is sunk
PT PT-77
PT PT-132
PT PT-310
PT PT-342
PT PT-477

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Saipan at 63,64

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, on fire
BB Haruna
BB Nagato, on fire
BB Yamato
BB Musashi, on fire
CA Chikuma
CA Atago
CA Chokai
CA Haguro, on fire
CA Kumano
DD Akitsuki, on fire
DD Wakazuki, on fire
DD Nowaki, on fire, heavy damage
DD Asagumo

Allied Ships
PT PT-24
PT PT-25
PT PT-105, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
PT PT-323
PT PT-332
PT PT-382

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Saipan at 63,64

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, on fire
BB Haruna
BB Nagato, on fire
BB Yamato, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire *****Yamato is hit by a PT boat, ok...but see afterwards****
BB Musashi, on fire
CA Chikuma
CA Atago
CA Chokai
CA Haguro, on fire
CA Kumano
DD Akitsuki, on fire
DD Wakazuki, Shell hits 6, on fire
DD Nowaki, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Asagumo

Allied Ships
PT PT-26
PT PT-42
PT PT-47
PT PT-106
PT PT-496, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT PT-531

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Saipan at 63,64

Japanese Ships *****four ships on fire*********
BB Kongo, on fire
BB Haruna
BB Nagato, on fire
BB Yamato, on fire
BB Musashi, on fire
CA Chikuma
CA Atago
CA Chokai
CA Haguro, on fire
CA Kumano
DD Akitsuki, on fire
DD Wakazuki, on fire
DD Nowaki, on fire, heavy damage
DD Asagumo

Allied Ships
PT PT-27
PT PT-29, Shell hits 15, and is sunk
PT PT-79
PT PT-168
PT PT-307
PT PT-312

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Saipan at 63,64

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Haruna
BB Nagato, on fire
BB Yamato, on fire
BB Musashi, on fire, heavy damage *****suddenly the Musashi now is heavy damaged!!!!!!!!!******
CA Chikuma
CA Atago
CA Chokai
CA Haguro, on fire
CA Kumano
DD Akitsuki, on fire
DD Wakazuki, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Nowaki, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
DD Asagumo

Allied Ships
PT PT-45, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT PT-64
PT PT-167
PT PT-377
PT PT-532
PT PT-535, Shell hits 1

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Saipan at 63,64

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 2 destroyed
F1M2 Pete: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, on fire, heavy damage
BB Haruna
BB Nagato, on fire
BB Yamato, on fire
BB Musashi, on fire, heavy damage
CA Chikuma, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Atago
CA Chokai
CA Haguro, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CA Kumano
DD Akitsuki, on fire
DD Nowaki, on fire, heavy damage
DD Asagumo

Allied Ships
PT PT-108
PT PT-124, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
PT PT-125, Shell hits 11, and is sunk
PT PT-475
PT PT-476
PT PT-546

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Saipan at 63,64

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, on fire, heavy damage
BB Haruna
BB Nagato, on fire
BB Yamato, on fire
BB Musashi, on fire, heavy damage
CA Chikuma, on fire
CA Atago
CA Chokai
CA Kumano
DD Akitsuki, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Nowaki, and is sunk
DD Asagumo

Allied Ships
PT PT-126
PT PT-130
PT PT-308, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT PT-333
PT PT-381
PT PT-455

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Saipan at 63,64

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, on fire, heavy damage
BB Haruna
BB Nagato, on fire, heavy damage ****Now also the Nagato is heavily damaged!!!!, with no reason at all*****
BB Yamato, on fire
BB Musashi, on fire, heavy damage
CA Chikuma, on fire
CA Atago
CA Chokai
CA Kumano
DD Akitsuki, Shell hits 12, and is sunk
DD Asagumo, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
PT PT-133
PT PT-134
PT PT-137
PT PT-343
PT PT-363
PT PT-372

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Saipan at 63,64

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, on fire, heavy damage
BB Haruna
BB Nagato, on fire, heavy damage
BB Yamato, on fire
BB Musashi, on fire, heavy damage
CA Chikuma, on fire
CA Atago
CA Chokai
CA Kumano
DD Asagumo, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
PT PT-138
PT PT-163
PT PT-306
PT PT-474
PT PT-478
PT PT-534

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Saipan at 63,64

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, on fire, heavy damage
BB Haruna
BB Nagato, on fire, heavy damage
BB Yamato, on fire
BB Musashi, on fire, heavy damage
CA Chikuma, on fire
CA Atago
CA Chokai
CA Kumano
DD Asagumo, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
PT PT-170
PT PT-361
PT PT-497
PT PT-522
PT PT-523, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
PT PT-550

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Saipan at 63,64

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, on fire, heavy damage
BB Haruna
BB Nagato, on fire, heavy damage
BB Yamato, on fire
BB Musashi, on fire, heavy damage
CA Chikuma, on fire
CA Atago
CA Chokai
CA Kumano
DD Asagumo, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
PT PT-236
PT PT-248
PT PT-249
PT PT-250
PT PT-321, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT PT-549

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Saipan at 63,64

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, on fire, heavy damage
BB Haruna
BB Nagato, on fire, heavy damage
BB Yamato, on fire, heavy damage ****The Yamato also joins the party of the heavy damage....only due to a PT torpedo*****
BB Musashi, on fire, heavy damage
CA Chikuma, on fire
CA Atago
CA Chokai
CA Kumano
DD Asagumo, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
PT PT-261
PT PT-262
PT PT-324
PT PT-462
PT PT-540
PT PT-547

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Saipan at 63,64

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, on fire, heavy damage
BB Haruna
BB Nagato, on fire, heavy damage
BB Yamato, on fire, heavy damage
BB Musashi, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CA Chikuma, on fire
CA Atago
CA Chokai
CA Kumano
DD Asagumo, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
PT PT-263
PT PT-362
PT PT-469
PT PT-480
PT PT-539
PT PT-545

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Saipan at 63,64

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
F1M2 Pete: 7 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, and is sunk *******Glup, Glup, Glup**********
BB Haruna
BB Nagato, on fire, heavy damage
BB Yamato, on fire, heavy damage
BB Musashi, on fire, heavy damage
CA Chikuma, on fire
CA Atago
CA Chokai
CA Kumano
DD Asagumo, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Allied Ships
PT PT-264
PT PT-300
PT PT-305
PT PT-334
PT PT-375
PT PT-543

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Saipan at 63,64

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna
BB Nagato, on fire, heavy damage
BB Yamato, on fire, heavy damage
BB Musashi, on fire, heavy damage
CA Chikuma, on fire
CA Atago
CA Chokai
CA Kumano

Allied Ships
PT PT-311
PT PT-314
PT PT-315
PT PT-383
PT PT-525
PT PT-544

Yes, and every heavy damaged ship is truly heavy daamged, with sys and float damage up to 70 and at least 20 to 30 fires!!.

< Message edited by toraq -- 2/19/2005 10:04:51 PM >
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RE: Japanese ships auto damage - 2/20/2005 2:17:56 AM   
Mr.Frag


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Status: offline 		16 x 6 PT boats ... You felt the need to eat 384 torpedoes?

Thats equal to 25 CV's worth of TBD's ... would you see a problem if you sailed in range of them?

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RE: Japanese ships auto damage - 2/20/2005 2:28:22 PM   
toraq


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Status: offline 		That´s not the point, the point is that my ships increased the damage with no reason! , so that the BB Yamato is going to sink due to a single PT torpedo!

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RE: Japanese ships auto damage - 2/20/2005 7:39:53 PM   
Mr.Frag


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Status: offline 		Fire/Flood damage grows ... Japan's damage control is not too great.

Need to see what you were actually fighting as Saipan does not belong to the US in this scenario at the start yet you were obviously getting creamed by automatic computer generated PT boats. Since they start at Eniwetok, you are telling a little bit of a long story and expecting people to guess at the rest.

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RE: Japanese ships auto damage - 2/20/2005 10:20:49 PM   
toraq


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quote:

Fire/Flood damage grows ... Japan's damage control is not too great.


Yes I know, but it seems that is "too much damage grows". As I said Yamato was only torpedoed by a single PT torpedo (no magazine explosion) and its damage goes from 60 to 80 (sys and float) and fires are more than 20.

quote:

Need to see what you were actually fighting as Saipan does


I sent the Jap. BBs to Saipan to see a big surface combat. I met some enemy BB but the engagement resulted in a draw. Only three of my ships on fire. After that, they met a whole army of unspotted PTs and that was the result.

Saipan was american then, the AI had conquered it some weeks ago.

I repeat the turn again and every damaged BB again increases its damage with no reason (apparently)

Thanks

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RE: Japanese ships auto damage - 2/20/2005 10:29:34 PM   
Gem35


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Status: offline 		Not to be too much of a smart-*** but I sure wish the KB had that problem in my game agaisnt the hated Jap AI. My forts and libbys from PM shoved 31 500 pounders into Ryujo and Shokaku without any sunk.

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RE: Japanese ships auto damage - 2/20/2005 11:06:32 PM   
Mr.Frag


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Status: offline 		Floatation damage causes system damage.

Fire damage causes system damage.

Both take time to repair and system damage continues to increase until both are repaired.

Why don't you send the save so I don't have to guess what detail you are leaving out?

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RE: Japanese ships auto damage - 2/22/2005 6:28:22 AM   
Yamato hugger

 

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Status: offline 		What you dont seem to be grasping here, Mister Fragg, is that this all happened in 1 night. The Yamato took 1 total torpeedo and 3 shell hits from a PT boat (so thats what? 3 40mm hits?) early on, and because the system damage is re-assessed after every combat, in this one particular case, there was 12 combats after that hit the Yamato (and other ships) took system damage based on 30+ days at sea in the course of 12 hours (assuming fire/flotation damage is adjusted 1 time per day). So from 3 40mm and 1 PT torp she burned to the waterline in less than 12 hours? I DONT THINK SO (hug the Yamato).

System damage should not be re-assessed after every combat. Should be once per day IMHO. I believe it is currently once per phase, and as this example illistrates even that is too much.

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RE: Japanese ships auto damage - 2/25/2005 12:07:17 AM   
BlackVoid


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Status: offline 		Looks like bug + exploit (although your opponent may be innocent on this...)

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