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Does WITP increase player's knowledge


1) Balikpapan
  68% (77)
2) Balikpakan
  7% (8)
3) Balipkapan
  7% (8)
4) Balipkakan
  1% (2)
5) No idea, but I know how to write "oil"
  15% (17)


Total Votes : 112


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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/26/2005 5:38:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Beezle
English is really flexible. No real rules, not permanent ones anyway. So it keeps adapting and changing as either the world changes (with new technology words or careers) or the geography/culture chane (for example it went to Australia and became a language most other English Speakers can't understand at all. Something about surfing terms mixed in with how to cook seafood. And 400 words to describe a pint of beer).

That flexibility makes it irregular and hard to learn, but also gives it a power that is (one of) the things making it the, uh, "Lingua Franca" of the world.

I found it fascinating to study the concept of the 'meta language' (a phrase coined by social anthropologists to explain the way the mind is influenced to interpret 'reality'). Be interesting to study the variations in the way we process Reality based on our native culture/language structure....

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/26/2005 8:47:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Hunter

I was at a convention in Atlanta last fall talking to an Indian woman who was looking for tea. She explained she favored it over coffee because "the English ruled our country for 150 years." "Ours too" I said.



Except we Revolted over the cost of Tea and so became Cofee Drinkers besides kicking the british out

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/26/2005 9:16:22 AM   
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Back to Admiral Laurent's original question: I first learned about Balikpapan in either The West Point Atlas of American Wars, Vol.2 or Life's Picture History of WW2 when I was a little boy. These were portions of my dad's library that I spent many an hour with. The West Point Atlas was probably directly responsible for my love affair with wargames. Avalon Hill used the same icons on their maps as did the atlas, so I quickly caught on - thus ending any chance at a normal life.

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/28/2005 12:16:59 AM   
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should have been more specific about the Chinese


Languages have followed an evolution. The least evolved languages (The ones of the type that were spoken longest ago) are languages with long, heavily declined words. The more evolved languages (the type that have come to their current form more recently) have shorter words to use as general modifiers (eg Latin or Lithuanian have a modified form of the word to distinguish between "I plow" (now) and "I have plowed" (action completed in the past) where English, for example, uses the short additional word "have" as a modifier).

Chinese and English have gone the furthest along that path (becoming less declined).

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/28/2005 1:12:17 AM   
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I thought it was Brady posting before I SAW bEEZLE'S NAME.

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/28/2005 1:43:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko

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ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, Oleg I must have missed it or I would have posted it. What do you want?


This is the poll I had on mind, thanks:

Your policy regarding mods:

- I use only official 2by3 patches, no mods
- I use only graphical mods (maps, icons etc.) that do not affect the gameplay
- I use Andrew Brown map mod (and scenarios that go with it)
- I use one or more of the modded scenarios (Lemurs, Tanaka etc.) with modded OOBs, modded database etc. on regular game map
- I use (or plan to use) heavily modified stuff, like Lemurs scenario on Andrew Brown map

Vote and discuss.

Oleg
Oleg, you forgot one:
I mod for myself, based on one of the above.

Steve. (One vote for that, obviously!)

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/28/2005 10:36:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Beezle
Chinese and English have gone the furthest along that path (becoming less declined).


I think I understand! They're more inclined to be less declined...

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 2/28/2005 11:14:22 PM   
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what was the ? again duh?

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 3/1/2005 12:01:26 AM   
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Which, the original for this thread or the word games Beezle and I have been playing?

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 3/1/2005 12:08:57 AM   
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I actually was making fun of myself vis a vis the ?.. as in "duh, what is the ?" re a ? about knowledge gained/lost

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 3/1/2005 3:51:52 AM   
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"When a thing is funny, search it for a hidden truth." (Shaw)

< Message edited by BraveHome -- 2/28/2005 7:51:59 PM >

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 3/1/2005 5:43:29 PM   
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The main difficulty with English as I see it is the connection between pronounciation and spelling. I don't have any problems with it, but that's probably because I started learning English when I was 5-6 years old by watching English channels on the TV. Mandatory English education at our schools in Sweden starts at the age of 9 and continue until we're 19. I never found it difficult at all, I read my first novel in English when I was 13. The grammar is quite easy, pretty similar to my own language in many cases since it's a Germanic language too. Over here all students are expected to be able to read academic English when they start studying at the universities.

French on the other hand... easy to pronounce but I never learned to master the horrible grammars.

I'm not too fond of the "evolution" of languages though. Many of the nuances and the aesthetic qualities of many languages have been lost. Contemporary English and Swedish are nowhere near as beautiful as they were 100-150 years ago.

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 3/1/2005 5:46:24 PM   
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The main difficulty with English as I see it is the connection between pronounciation and spelling.

What connection?

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 3/1/2005 6:02:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tonyingesson
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The grammar is quite easy, pretty similar to my own language in many cases since it's a Germanic language too.
...

Link: Indo-European (or often also referenced to as indo-germanic), to be exactly

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 3/1/2005 10:16:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DeepSix

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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

When visiting a ww2 site in France, I had a frenchman say to me, "You Americans don't understand what it's like to have a foreign power occupy your country."

To which I replied, "Suh! Mah country is still under occupation by a furrin' power!"

Of course, he had no clue as to what I was saying...


LOL. I agree.... Cain't lose what ain't over yet!


I bet they learned the Civil War as "The War of Northern Aggression". When I lived in Florida I met a lot of people who belived that the South was just waiting for supplies and reinforcements.

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 3/1/2005 10:17:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: 2ndACR

I can spell oil. That is close enough for me.

What do you expect from a lowly grunt redneck.


Spelled O-I-L But it is pronouced "Earl" or "All" in TX correct?

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RE: Does WITP increase player's knowledge - 3/2/2005 12:38:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tonyingesson

The main difficulty with English as I see it is the connection between pronounciation and spelling. I don't have any problems with it, but that's probably because I started learning English when I was 5-6 years old by watching English channels on the TV. Mandatory English education at our schools in Sweden starts at the age of 9 and continue until we're 19. I never found it difficult at all, I read my first novel in English when I was 13. The grammar is quite easy, pretty similar to my own language in many cases since it's a Germanic language too. Over here all students are expected to be able to read academic English when they start studying at the universities.

French on the other hand... easy to pronounce but I never learned to master the horrible grammars.

I'm not too fond of the "evolution" of languages though. Many of the nuances and the aesthetic qualities of many languages have been lost. Contemporary English and Swedish are nowhere near as beautiful as they were 100-150 years ago.


You also probably have less problems with it because Swedish too is an Indo-Germanic language. I just recently translated a Swedish ad for a friend, and I don't even know Swedish (just used a dictionary and 'common' sense).

As to the evolution making languages less beautiful, I wonder how much of that 'beauty' is related to the mystique of some of our antiquated vocabulary and rustic expressions? I think the beauty has lessened more because people seem to care less for the melody and rhythm of language today (poetry doesn't even rhyme anymore!) than ever before. This is also (I feel a blast of derision coming) reflected in popular music as well...

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