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False Quote - 4/29/2005 3:39:39 AM   
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“Beware of the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch … the citizenry … will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How will I know? For this I have done. And I am Julius Caesar.”

. . . is in fact a false quote. No evidence has ever been found that Julius Caesar even spoke or wrote it and in fact the quote only started to appear in 2001. It is thought to be a clever fabrication created as a reaction to the current war on terror.

Not intended to be flamebait, just thought I'd put it out there for the sake of historical accuracy.

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RE: False Quote - 4/29/2005 5:13:49 AM   
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Embarrassing if true, I should have double-checked that one. If so, we'll remove it from future versions and replace it with a historical quote but we're stuck with it for now.

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RE: False Quote - 4/29/2005 8:08:44 AM   
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RE: False Quote - 4/29/2005 8:23:04 AM   
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Beware of the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch … the citizenry … will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How will I know? For this I have done. And I am Julius Caesar.


I found this quote listed here:

http://en.thinkexist.com/quotes/julius_caesar/

Not sure if Caesar said it or not.


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RE: False Quote - 4/29/2005 9:35:46 AM   
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RE: False Quote - 4/29/2005 4:21:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Without actual proof, just saying something is true or false, does not make it so.

So, I did some more digging.

It would appear that the quote by Caesar is indeed FALSE.

The issue is explained here:

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/caesar.htm


Although the site below, as well as many more sites (including the "think exist" site above) continue to perpetuate this myth:

http://www.cafepress.com/posters_tshirts.17307964

< Message edited by Warfare1 -- 4/29/2005 4:31:25 PM >

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RE: False Quote - 4/29/2005 5:19:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the link, Warfare1. Fortunately, the game was better researched than the box text.

Appreciate the clarification everyone, we'll update the text with a historical quote in the near future.

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RE: False Quote - 4/29/2005 5:29:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Thanks for the link, Warfare1. Fortunately, the game was better researched than the box text.

Appreciate the clarification everyone, we'll update the text with a historical quote in the near future.

Regards,

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My pleasure.

I can easily understand the mistake though. When I was trying to find answers for it, I found more than two dozen sites that attributed that quote to Caesar.

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RE: False Quote - 4/29/2005 5:50:50 PM   
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RE: False Quote - 4/29/2005 6:31:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jbud70
. . . is in fact a false quote.


Josh,

It turns out that I am one the one to blame

I actually got the quote from a fairly respected quote site, and I really like it. Looks like we are going to have to switch it out with something acurate.

Thanks for the catch,
Deride

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RE: False Quote - 4/29/2005 9:18:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: J P Falcon
How about giving Jbud the appropriate thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention in the first place?.....for a first post, he did a great job........


Agreed, good catch Josh. For future printings, we're going to go with a more famous classic JC quote.

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RE: False Quote - 4/30/2005 3:28:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		But nothing is certain until the esteemed BBC confirms otherwise:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/showbiz/2292029.stm

Going by how much Streisand's quote helped to raise that night, Matrix may want to keep it

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RE: False Quote - 4/30/2005 6:10:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		My goodness, there's a long history with that quote, just of a different kind than we thought.

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RE: False Quote - 4/30/2005 8:32:35 AM   
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RE: False Quote - 4/30/2005 9:30:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Adam Parker

But nothing is certain until the esteemed BBC confirms otherwise:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/showbiz/2292029.stm

Going by how much Streisand's quote helped to raise that night, Matrix may want to keep it


Yeah right, as long as the context fits suit and the word are "beautiefully" written, hey just put a famous name behind it and it`s okay to missquote and make stuff up

Here´s my quote:

"Those who are payed by applause and perform on stage should shut the f.. up when it comes to realworld performance, for they do not know what the realword is." Oliver Stone

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RE: False Quote - 6/8/2005 2:45:00 PM   
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"Those who are payed by applause and perform on stage should shut the f.. up when it comes to realworld performance, for they do not know what the realword is." Oliver Stone


hmmm, funny, seems like he should follow his own advice then

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