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ORIGINAL: Banquet

Unlike the 'unofficially proposed' WitP II, WitP has an AI so I imagine he wants it to do something.. hardly an unreasonable expectation..

Tanaka, there were some reported problems with the AI going to sleep on the CHS mod.. I wonder if this is what you're experiencing?

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ORIGINAL: kaiser73

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ORIGINAL: Banquet

Unlike the 'unofficially proposed' WitP II, WitP has an AI so I imagine he wants it to do something.. hardly an unreasonable expectation..

Tanaka, there were some reported problems with the AI going to sleep on the CHS mod.. I wonder if this is what you're experiencing?

More the game is complex, and harder is to get a good AI. There is no strategic game around which has a good AI (and AI which can give an average human player some challenge). Giving AI unhistorical advantages is what they do in every game.

AI conquered all SRA as Japan did historically. I guess that is good for the AI. if you want smart moves and unexpected plans...play PBEM. it may sound harsh, but that is how it is in every game out there.

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ORIGINAL: hithere

one thing though is, what can the AI really do once everything historically captured (and plus port moresby) is captured. even the original japanese plan did not call for anything else to be captured, if i recall correctly. japan does not have the resources to capture anything else save maybe more of china.

also, is maybe both AI's waiting for the other to do something to trigger a response?

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ORIGINAL: Banquet

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ORIGINAL: kaiser73

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ORIGINAL: Banquet

Unlike the 'unofficially proposed' WitP II, WitP has an AI so I imagine he wants it to do something.. hardly an unreasonable expectation..

Tanaka, there were some reported problems with the AI going to sleep on the CHS mod.. I wonder if this is what you're experiencing?

More the game is complex, and harder is to get a good AI. There is no strategic game around which has a good AI (and AI which can give an average human player some challenge). Giving AI unhistorical advantages is what they do in every game.

AI conquered all SRA as Japan did historically. I guess that is good for the AI. if you want smart moves and unexpected plans...play PBEM. it may sound harsh, but that is how it is in every game out there.

I certainly don't disagree. Obviously for the best challenge (especially after learning how an AI plays) PBEM is the way to go.

I don't agree that all stragegic level AI's are completely lacking in challenge. I find HoI2's AI gives me plenty to think about as long as I don't go too far off the rails.

However, my point was that the AI should be doing something. (I dont' recall ever seeing a post where someone demanded an AI that was on a par with playing a human)

This game did ship with an AI and I don't see why, on the odd occasion it's ever mentioned on this forum, the majority of responses seem to be either 'well, it's the AI, what did you expect' or 'play PBEM' Fair enough if people are complaining about the AI's lack of a genius plan of operations.. but hardly relevant when Tanaka is asking why the AI is doing 'nothing'

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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

If the AI expands further, it's just going to lose more in the long run. Human Japanese players will often not expand beyond what they feel is a good defensive perimeter for the long-term. Why should the AI do differently? I can't speak to whether the CHS mod has anything to do with this, but I've noticed that the AI does tend to switch from aggressive to conservative at some point in stock games as well. It's waiting for you to make the next move. Generally, if you start counterattacking it will make an effort to smack you.

Regards,

- Erik

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ORIGINAL: Banquet

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ORIGINAL: kaiser73

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ORIGINAL: Banquet

Unlike the 'unofficially proposed' WitP II, WitP has an AI so I imagine he wants it to do something.. hardly an unreasonable expectation..

Tanaka, there were some reported problems with the AI going to sleep on the CHS mod.. I wonder if this is what you're experiencing?

More the game is complex, and harder is to get a good AI. There is no strategic game around which has a good AI (and AI which can give an average human player some challenge). Giving AI unhistorical advantages is what they do in every game.

AI conquered all SRA as Japan did historically. I guess that is good for the AI. if you want smart moves and unexpected plans...play PBEM. it may sound harsh, but that is how it is in every game out there.

I certainly don't disagree. Obviously for the best challenge (especially after learning how an AI plays) PBEM is the way to go.

I don't agree that all stragegic level AI's are completely lacking in challenge. I find HoI2's AI gives me plenty to think about as long as I don't go too far off the rails.

However, my point was that the AI should be doing something. (I dont' recall ever seeing a post where someone demanded an AI that was on a par with playing a human)

This game did ship with an AI and I don't see why, on the odd occasion it's ever mentioned on this forum, the majority of responses seem to be either 'well, it's the AI, what did you expect' or 'play PBEM' Fair enough if people are complaining about the AI's lack of a genius plan of operations.. but hardly relevant when Tanaka is asking why the AI is doing 'nothing'

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ORIGINAL: Tristanjohn

It's possible the AI has decided it doesn't have enough strength to reasonably occupy more ground. If you were playing that game as the Japanese would you invest yet more troops to occupy more ground? Assuming the AI has established for itself a decent perimeter in the Central Pacific, and has defended the home islands, where else might it logically be expected to move? For Japanese players in AARs where a big push has been made on Ceylon and India, or deep into the South Pacific regions of the board, what sort of reserve do these players have on hand? Any reserve at all? Do they simply strip their rear areas of troops to keep going? Maybe the AI does not.

I don't know, mind you. I'm only posing questions.

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ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

Hi all,

Here's what I've noticed about the japanese AI. I think it's programmed to take certain bases. (all the bases on the rail line in Burma, Port Moresby, Lunga, Gilberts, Wake, Guam, and all spots in between. If you (as allies) decide to oppose the AI at any spot they want, you'll get large battles. If you don't, then the AI will stop progressing after it's taken the bases on it's list.

For example, if you fight at Mandalay, it will fight you back. It'll try real hard to take it from you. However, if you retreat to Imphal (I think that's the base I'm thinking of), it will only take Mandalay, Lashio and Mykitnia. It won't advance or even try to advance to Imphal.

The same goes for Lunga. if you don't try to keep it, it won't go further. IE, it won't go for Noumea or Luganville.

To make the game interesting, you should try a bit to stop the AI as it moves. However, you can try real hard to keep certain places (Wake, Mandalay, others?) and cause the AI to destroy itself. I've held Wake for months as the AI just loses transports after transports. you can literally sink dozens of ships by putting one group of SBD's and some more troops on Wake. If you want a good game, don't reinforce one area too much. Pull back like the allies did until May 42. Then hold them at Port Moresby and Lunga. The fun part comes when you advance from mid 42 to mid 43 (after then, the AI will probably have lost all it's combat ships and good pilots)

Against a human, its' a different matter.

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It's possible the AI has decided it doesn't have enough strength to reasonably occupy more ground. If you were playing that game as the Japanese would you invest yet more troops to occupy more ground? Assuming the AI has established for itself a decent perimeter in the Central Pacific, and has defended the home islands, where else might it logically be expected to move? For Japanese players in AARs where a big push has been made on Ceylon and India, or deep into the South Pacific regions of the board, what sort of reserve do these players have on hand? Any reserve at all? Do they simply strip their rear areas of troops to keep going? Maybe the AI does not.