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RE: PBYs - 7/14/2005 12:55:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Also keep in mind due to the longer ranged aircraft that Japan has, the CV's sprint range is not 12. It is 12 + the normal range of the shortest ranged aircraft.

They don't have to sprint in to the hex of the target, they just need to get into range of the aircraft.

Thanks Mr. Frag
Like I noted - they appear four hexes from target.

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RE: PBYs - 7/14/2005 1:50:22 AM   
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In some circumstances (especially where your base is remote) you can use smaller, non combat vessels to run patrols along the perimeter of your PBY search area (in combination with your sub patrols). You don't really need an escort to protect them from subs in such cases and it forces the Japanese to choose between approaching blind through the sub-infested waters or giving away their position through their own patrol aircraft.

Before game allowed all the mixing and matching of patrol aircraft, you could guess that a threat was approaching by telling the type of aircraft that spotted you (you didn't worry about Glens but you did about Alfs and Jakes).

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RE: PBYs - 7/14/2005 1:52:56 AM   
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ASW is only effective at half the normal range setting.

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RE: PBYs - 7/14/2005 2:54:56 AM   
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Yep,

That's what I was talking about the threat zone being 25. 20 for sprint (including Kaga), plus 4 - 5 extra for Kate/Val range.

And if you really want to be paranoid, add an extra few for reaction radius!

Bleh.

Map edges are nice!
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RE: PBYs - 7/14/2005 3:08:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Feinder

Yep,

That's what I was talking about the threat zone being 25. 20 for sprint (including Kaga), plus 4 - 5 extra for Kate/Val range.

And if you really want to be paranoid, add an extra few for reaction radius!

Bleh.

Map edges are nice!
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That's it!

I'm staying in port!

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RE: PBYs - 7/14/2005 4:35:36 AM   
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That's it!

I'm staying in port!


That's actually not a bad idea...

That would be rational thing to do, so of course, I don't...

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RE: PBYs - 7/14/2005 9:02:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Feinder

Another -VERY- important factor in spotting ships, is sys damage.

Again, everybody likes sprinting around at warp 9. But that annoying sys damage can bite in so many ways. Any sys damage over 10, will increase your chance of detection. The more damaged you are, the easier to detect. Even with no fires (which add to ease of spotting you). But even if you’ve been good, and not run full speed with your CVs, adding a CL that’s got 12 sys damage from running FastTran to your TF, will up the chances of detecting the entire TF.

Granted, out of range, is out of range. Obviously, having 20 sys dmg means nothing if you’re sitting at a range of 15, when max range is 12 (or whatever). But having that extra sys dmg will increase your chance of being detected, that much farther out.

Having long-legged Patrols for Japan is nice. But there’s a price. Check his ops losses. If he’s flying his planes at 25 hexes, he’s probably taking a lot of ops losses, simply due to fatigue.

Max effective range, for anything, is about 10. Fatigue is about 1.5 per hex. Somebody with over 30 fatigue is less likely to fly, and even less likely to survive is he does. But like prev poster said, a lot goes into a mission (even patrols).

a. Watch your moral. Patrols do suffer moral loss! Low moral, means your squadron may never even get off the ground!
b. Fatigue, a unit that is already fatigued, will be less likely to fly, less effective searching, and less likely to return.
c. Experience. Higher exp means better chance to spot, and better info if you do.

Flying a group at 80% search, works fairly well. That puts three pilots in the bull-pen, and 9 out looking for bad-guys. It keeps your fatigue lower and moral higher.

Also to consider for exp, is to run Recon missions, with 80 search. The pilots get a better chance for exp if they actually spot something. But that means that flying patrols in a “quiet” area, means very slow exp gain (since there’s nothing to spot). But flying recon with 80% search, means that those three guys that would normally be in O-club, are on a recon mission, which gives them the better exp gain chance, than just flying and not spotting anything. Note this will fatigue your sqdn faster, since you’ve actually committed 100% of your sqdn, and nobody is sitting out. (* note there has to be an enemy base within range, to actually recon, otherwise, they sit in the O-club).

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You seem to know a lot about this. So tell me, just why is it that when I set a group on 100% recon or search, I'm fortunate if 10% of them fly? It might be the weather, but I'm pretty sure I've seen this come up in clear weather too.

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RE: PBYs - 7/14/2005 9:33:16 AM   
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However, his TFs ALWAYS appear exactly four hexes out and only after they hit me...and I'm not talking about appearing suddenly in front of Midway, or Wake, I mean appearing there and BEHIND Pearl Harbor only 4 hexes out - so he would have had to steam through 2,000+ miles of search area to appear there - not just an overnight full speed dash from PBY extreme range.


Careful about the assumptions. If you have gaps in your coverage KB can circle around to appear behind you, especially if the IJN player is good with oilers.

Also, remember that every time KB disappears it's not necessarily returning to base... In one PBEM, I had KB zig when I think my opponent assumed it zagged, and actually got KB behind his detection line (did a speed run from my last known location to move SE of Canton Island, outside of PBY range or else at the extreme limit, forget which). Was really hunting convoys down there, had Glen-equipped subs scouting all over, but a couple of days later was returning back to Tarawa and tripped over a large (unfortunately empty) convoy. Moral is when KB disappears, see if a speed run could have put it on the other side of your line, if there's only one line of patrols in a given region.

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