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RE: Smackdown!!! - 6/19/2005 10:48:10 AM

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Raver is reconning Ambiona . . . Other than that one of my subs sank a MSW only to be sunk in turn (my subs have sorely disappointed me this game) and shots are still being fired at myitkina. There are probably chinese units on the way to save the place.

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RE: Smackdown!!! - 6/19/2005 11:32:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: Luskan

Raver is reconning Ambiona . . . Other than that one of my subs sank a MSW only to be sunk in turn (my subs have sorely disappointed me this game) and shots are still being fired at myitkina. There are probably chinese units on the way to save the place.

*Snort* Well of course I am reconning Ambiona....didn't you read the post where I showed you in graphic form (I thought that you would understand pictures better) what my next moves are going to be????

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RE: Smackdown!!! - 6/25/2005 2:40:11 AM

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still having upgrading issues . . . play will resume once I finally patch up.

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RE: Smackdown!!! - 6/29/2005 10:32:45 PM

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Hey guys, I can't help but notice that PzB's AAR has surpassed this one in number of hits. You can't win if you don't post!

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The war so far. - 7/2/2005 9:54:58 AM

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Well Luskan and I are now into Jan'43 and I guess that seeing as we have been at war for over 12 months it might be a good idea to take stock on how the war has been going and maybe provide those of you who read this a few clues from the Allied player's perspective of what to do and just as importantly what not to do in your first year at war.

Having played Luskan many times in UV ( and also as a beta tester for WiTP) I had a good understanding of his game play, which simply put is to move fast with overwhelming force. I would rank Luskan as one of the best IJN players on this board. You can never give him an opening as he will grab it and punish you.

So with this in mind my approach to the first six months of the war was to try and trade time for territory. This simply put means that I put up a token resistance at any given point to force Luskan to gather his strength to attack......and them simply fall back, either under a controlled retreat or in the worse case a rout. I also tried to always have a path open which I could retreat down and if one did not exist, then I would simply concede that particular base. A good example of this was Rangoon, there was now way that I would be able to withdraw from Rangoon, so I simply marched my units north and "allowed" Luskan to have it. The exception to this was of course Singapore, but there is little that can be done in this situation. If anything the best you can do is to fight to the last man and try and force an historic outcome. IIRC the collapse of Singapore come one month earlier than in real life so I didn't do too bad there I guess. The other possibility is to try and evacuate "key" units out of Singers, but this is a difficult operation as the Japanese player, if he is worth his salt, will have the approaches well covered with MRB and LRB making any attempt to save troops a fool-hardy endeavour. Much better to simply get used to the idea that who ever is in Malaya is going to be lost and try and fight as hard as possible. Try not at allow the IJN player to split your forces here (which they can easier do) and always be ready to withdraw south to avoid this. Shipping and aircraft should be moved as soon as possible as they will have little impact on the fate of Malaya and will be needed later on in the war.

The battle for the PI went much as expected, there are a LOT of AKs and AP sitting here at the start of the war, and the ONLY thing to do is to run south fast and in small numbers. This is what I did, and it is also what Luskan was expecting me to do, so I got slapped to the turn of some 50 + ships lost. Not really a lot you can do here as the allied player. Another thing that I did do, and there was nothing that Luskan could do was to withdraw as much aircraft as I could to Oz. Better to use it in the defence of say Darwin that to squander it the lost cause of PI.

Burma was one place that Lusskin has a long lead in troop numbers but he failed to take Akyab, and this is the one crack in the door that has allowed me to stay in the fight. Akyab is now THE (only) allied foothold in Burma and is a key airbase in carrying the war to Lusskin. It has a fully developed airfield and so many mines in place that you can almost walk over the water. From here I have been trying to hurt Rangoon with mixed success (to date he has won the air war over Rangoon) but from Akyab I have been able to bomb any attempts by Lusskin to move north into India. It will be from Akyab that the Allied victory will be won in Burma but not until better (longer range) fighters join the RAF. Once that happens then I will be able to fight and win the air war over Rangoon.

China was the one place that I didn't want to tangle with Lusskin, and so I simply fell back. But Lusskin was still faster in the northern area of China and managed to trap a large force of Chinese, who still sit there today waiting for the chance to break out. I did try to hit Lusskin had in China a few months ago, but the fact that he holds all of the rail lines means that he can move troops faster that I can, and once the writing was on the wall I chose to pull back rather than force the issue. The main problem that I now have in China is that I am compressed into a small area (the greater south west) with most of my Chinese units intact, and THIS is causing major supply issues. Most cities are running in the red and would no doubt collapse if not for that sterling work horse the C-47. But the demand for supplies in China is even more than I have aircraft to for fill and I have other areas that are making demands on the C-47 squadrons. So d\for now I will simply have to try and keep China's head above water and maybe in the next year or so I'll have the a/c available to fix the supply problems in China. I really can't see any type of successful land operation in this area going ahead during '43 and even '44 is looking shaky. But so long as Lusskin is happy to sit where he is and not try f\to grab more cities than I'm ok.

The DEI is one area that would make for a great defensive position IF the allies had had the troops and aircraft required. I have always toyed with the idea of sending troops from Oz and NZ to do a Churchillian "fight on the beaches", but the lack of PPs at the beginning of the game, and also Australia's poor airfarce makes this simply a pipe dream. So instead what I did was to spoof Lusskin into thinking that I WAS going to make a big fight for the DEI. Lots of mis-information went into this classic PsyOps mission, and Lusskin fell for it. He had read my intentions and had to gather his strength for what he thought was going to be a hard fought mission (no doubt he was rubbing his little banananananana hands at the thought of bagging another sizable allied force after Singers) after all the DEI is one of the PRIME targets for the IJN player...he NEEDS the oil fields. The result was that as the allied player I had gained 4 maybe 6 weeks and this time was out to good use in bolstering PNG. Timor is also now in allied hands and is threatening his large base at Kendari (S?). All ready I have launched a couple of large air raids against this jap base from Darwin, with fighter escort now available from Timor the tempo of operations will now increase, and within the next few weeks, Kendari will become the same of Rabal, simply a big hole in the ground. It is from Timor that I will be moving north west to retake the DEI. Lusskin should have put in a bigger effort at Timor. His loss my gain.

PNG was going to my "line in the sand". I have always thought and still believe that any allied player that looses PNG will add at least 6 to 12 months onto the war. PNG would be a difficult place to retake costing a LOT in shipping and also troops. Also any attempt to land at PM must also contend with the airfields on the northern part of PNG, let alone the support that can be had from Rabal. Nope PNG would be one very hard nut to crack if it was allowed to fall into the Japanese players hands. Using the time gained from the DEI, I sent every LCU that could be spared from Oz and even stripped some of the base engineer units to help set up the airfield at PM. Once the strength of PM was achieved it was simply a case of using C-47s to leap over the Owen Stanley ranges to secure Buna and Lae as well as Gilly Gilly. This has payed of in a very handsome dividend as from PM I have been able to build a very large force of LRB un molested to launch attacks against Rabal, to the point now that Rabal is nothing more than one huge armed prison camp for nearly 20,000+ japs. Lusskin can only remove those troops via submarine or maybe transport a/c (hmmm mental note, is Lusskin using transport a/c to pull troops out from Rabal, I'll have to look into that).
As the allied player every effort MUST be expended to hold PM.

I was never that fussed on holding Noumea, but I was not simply going to let it fall into Luskan's hands without a fight either. I don't hold to the line that Noumea is the key to the OZ-US SLOC simply because if Noumea fell into jap hands then my convoys would simply have to sail further south, no real big deal, it just adds about an extra week on to their steaming time.
NZ on the other hand WAS a concern, if NZ fell then the SLOC could be closed and so NZ became to focal point for the US troops build up in the South Pacific and was a good support area for Noumea. Simply put I believe that I won the race for Noumea. From there I have pushed into the Solomon's and now have all of that Island chain under my belt. For the allied play it is my view that NZ must be secured before any thoughts of moving north can be entertained against a Jap player who is moving hard and fast.

The Northen Pacific is usually a quite wind swept and barren place, and as far as the game goes there is little point for the Japanese player to advance here. With this in mind I left the Aleutians pretty much to it's own but Lusskin had other ideas. Now once again I will state that there is little for the IJN player to gain by making a move here EXCEPT that it will force the allied player to expend a dis-proportional amount of effort to remove them. I was forced to use PPsto bring in the Canadians as the LCUs assigned to the North Pacific were not upto the job. And then there is all of the shipping that needs to be gathered when this is really desperately needed in the southern pacific. A small Japanese force can force the allies to spend a lot of time and effort for little gain. I would recommend that allied players ensure that there is enough force in this area to dissuade any IJN incursions.

Mostly I have discussed what has happened on the land with little talk about naval combat. For the first six months of the war the best thing, no make that the ONLY thing to do with your CVs is to keep them in port. Unless and I stress this, UNLESS you can have a 2 to 1 odds against IJN CV TF don't even bother, as it is a long time before you will see those lost ships again. Lusskin has been of the thought that I will use my CVs in a large TF, well this is true, but not the rule, and I have and do split my CVs as the situation requires. Take now for instance, I have three CV TFs operating thousands of miles apart. Being the beginning of '43 I am now seeing a lot of CVEs and the odd one or two CVL come online but I doubt that I can force another CV on CV battle (in the last one I lost two and Lusskin lost three) unless I am willing to head into tiger country.......areas in which Lusskin is operating under cover of his LRBs. Not going to happen this side of '44 !!!!!!
Lusskin has usually come out on top in most of the classic surface actions that we have had, but I have really been putting a huge dent in his DD fleet which I suspect is starting to cramp him a bit. Recently I have noticed some surface TFs operating with only two DDs, much less that I use as support for my big gun ships...so maybe he is having a crunch time with his DDs? The ASW side of the game has been a big winner for me with a large amount of his subs now resting on the bottom of the ocean. I made the point of forming top quality ASW TFs to hunt for his subs, and it has worked. But Lusskin has not been slack either. I have always sent subs to hunt for TKs and AKs off the coast of Japan, and of late Lusskin has been having some success in hunting these subs. If he fails to sink or damage one at the least he forces me to move them.

And so here we are in Jan '43. What are my plans now? Well a quick look at a post of mine a few weeks ago will show you all a map of what my current plans are. Or at least the ones that I am willing to share. But my main problem is this. To date I have not been able to ensnare a large Japanese LCU group, and so his land forces are still relatively intact, added to this problem is that Lusskin is NOT over stretched, if anything he is somewhat compressed, which means that as I am now heading into the allied advance stage of the war, I am going to be hitting some VERY large Jap LCUs well dug in and no doubt spoiling for a fight. The same goes for his air units, if anything they have grown in experience with little loss of their experienced pilots. Here to I am going to be facing a tough battle.

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RE: The war so far. - 7/2/2005 10:46:27 PM

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Thanks for the detailed update! I hope you (and/or Luskan) will start posting combat reports and comments again once the game situation 'heats up' and merits it. BTW, you've been remarkably civil to Luskan lately - I can't remember the last time you called him 'ratbrain' or somesuch....

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RE: The war so far. - 7/3/2005 4:24:30 AM

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The main problem that I now have in China is that I am compressed into a small area (the greater south west) with most of my Chinese units intact, and THIS is causing major supply issues. Most cities are running in the red and would no doubt collapse if not for that sterling work horse the C-47.

I guess I'm a bit confused -- I thought that Luskan never managed to close the Burma Road. Did he seal it off from the Chinese side?

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RE: The war so far. - 7/3/2005 8:58:57 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Guderon

Thanks for the detailed update! I hope you (and/or Luskan) will start posting combat reports and comments again once the game situation 'heats up' and merits it. BTW, you've been remarkably civil to Luskan lately - I can't remember the last time you called him 'ratbrain' or somesuch....

Yeah I guess that I have been eh? Things are really slow right now, and have been for the last month or so. I am busy building up supply at foward bases and moving troops and engineers around, Luskan is well doing nothing 'cept sitting on his fat arse waiting for me to bring the fight to him. A defensive war is a lost war.

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RE: The war so far. - 7/3/2005 9:06:58 AM

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ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock

I guess I'm a bit confused --

Thats ok mate, I am sure that all of us understand that this is your normal state

Actually to clear things up, I still hold Myitkyina....just (Ledo is still safe). Luskan, bless his black heart, has sent some 100,000+ troops there to try and take it. Now I have only about 10,000 troops there and they have been fighting for their very lives, but the reason that it has not yet fallen is that every second day or so I bomb the cr@p out of this troops.....he must have a very high disruption. So with those little yellow bananananana troops sitting on the only road left to china, supplies now have to go over the "hump".

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RE: The war so far. - 7/3/2005 10:38:20 PM

Capt. Harlock

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Actually to clear things up, I still hold Myitkyina....just (Ledo is still safe). Luskan, bless his black heart, has sent some 100,000+ troops there to try and take it. Now I have only about 10,000 troops there and they have been fighting for their very lives

And you said Luskan had lost his chance in Burma . . . Along with "Axis Sally", it looks like we now have "Allied Raver"!

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RE: The war so far. - 7/4/2005 3:57:38 PM

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Well Myitkina was a foolish mistake (like not taking Akyab on turn2).

Myitkina is a base on my side of the "lines" with long paths of supply back into india along jungle paths. I was hoping Raver would move in a bunch of allied and chinese divisions and fight me along that axis. I had 8 divisions sitting ready for the early allied burma offensive - I was going to lure him into a grab for Mandalay and drive him back past Myitkina, trap those routed allied units on the jungle paths knowing that they'd never disband and never recover.

Bloody lazy Raver just sat there. problem is now he's got this uber airforce that is making my conquest next to impossible. Once I take the place I'm getting my LCU's back to Rangoon. I'm loosing men - but not as fast as I replace them. The problem isn't that I'm loosing LCU strength - I'm not. Just that the bombers cause so much disruption my powerful units can't fight.

As for PNG . . . Well imagine if you will a big allied airbase at PNG. Eating up tons and tons of supply. Only now you don't have unlimited supplies at Brissy (UV). Now you ahve to ship them into Oz, and then from Oz to PNG. You have to watch out for the jap PNG invasion etc. etc. etc.

I had hoped that Raver would have millions of transports in this small little area, easy for my early CVs to hunt and sink. Except every time I sortied, I didn't find a thing. Later Most allied player house their uber CV tf at Brissy or Townsville (especially those players who are UV players - who still find it comforting that if the japs try to grab PM, they're on hand to stop them etc.). Again, trying to force a CV battle there for MONTHS without getting spotted, or finding any allied CVs.

At the start of 43 I pulled My Cv's back from their endless tries to find something between PM and Townesville (There HAD to be shipping there -just very bad luck and timing - I refused to sail into dauntless range so that made things a bit trickier - lack of subs also made it hard) because their sys damage was getting so bad.

I had them all refitting when Raver the idiot lost a CV to Kwajalein and had a second damaged. I sent my refitted (fast) CVs out to catch the cripple and you all know what happened. The reason I didn't send all CVs was because they were all in port repairing.

All repairs are complete (have been for a while) problem is I can't repair the 3 at the bottom of the ocean.

Turns are quiet (except for the bloody struggle in Burma) and Raver is bringing up his MSWs and invasion troops for a go at Rabaul or Admiralty. I'm ready for either (I think). Turns aren't full of stuff worth posting, but basically I'm running a supply sprint around the world with all my transports - and I'm racing every new INF unit I get to defend this spot or that spot.

I honestly thought Raver was going to have a go ( a real go - not a nuisance go) at the bottom of Java. Wasted a lot of firepower sitting around down there that could have been used elsewhere.

Might take Midway.

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RE: The war so far. - 7/7/2005 5:28:23 AM

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Myitkyina falls to the renewed japanese offensive!

Over 15 allied units are stumbling back along the ledo trail in defeat. They have been beaten, are far from their support and have routed - meaning they won't be able to try to retake Myitkyina without reinforcements.

Doesn't really matter though - those reinforcements are months and months along the ledo trail away. Those allied units are starving now, and by the time they get back to Ledo they'll be write offs. The question is, do I follow? My troops have thumbed their noses at allied air superiority and got the job done.

Even better, all my my LCUs involved in the attack will recover quickly as supplies at my rearward bases like Saigon, Bangkok and singapore are at never before seen surpluses. This is mostly because my autoconvoy system (started this game as a beta version lets not forget) isn't cutting it. Now I do uber convoys - and when you dump 500k of oil and 350k of resources on a base all at once . . . well lets just say you don't need to ship them any more fuel and resources for a long time. Seems to be much more efficient to do the crazy big convoy.

Home island supply situation is brilliant too. Only places I'm not making ends meet are all my little pacific bases where I've moved divisions before I moved a divisions' worth of supply.

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RE: The war so far. - 7/8/2005 3:43:05 PM

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Well it is an eye for an eye....ratbrain took Myitkyina so the next turn I squashed Ambonia (S?). It DID have an oil production of 50, but after my massed raid it now has an oilfield of 2. Hehehehe. Airpower rules and bananas' are yellow.

I also intend to bomb the cr@p out of his units that are returning to Mandalay, the road between Mandalay and Myitkyina is going to run red.

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RE: The war so far. - 7/9/2005 2:41:15 PM

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Luskan sent in a bombardment force to hit Lugna, and surprise suprise it worked! He was out numbered 2 to 1 and pulled off an amazing victory. I lost one DD and had 8 DDs damaged two of which were bad, all ships will have to head to the yards for repairs. Luskan ONLY lost one DD ! The worst thing is that the Tf was spotted the turn before hidden under a storm front and my SBDs failed to fly. Bugger! Also my uber PTs failed to find his sneak TF, almost a complete bad news day if it was not for the brillant bombardment attack that hit Rabal on the same day. Jap casulties were around 2000+ and there were only 4 coastal guns in operation, so all of my air raids have paid off well. Got to give it to the banana, he sure is one sneaky little ****e.

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RE: The war so far. - 7/9/2005 3:08:19 PM

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back from mandalay is a railroad. 3 turns have passed and so guess what? My troops are past mandalay and on their way back to safety. Airpower doesn't cause losses - it causes disruption (and knocks out units - but my units are always revived by supply and support so no concern there).

As for Lunga - a VERY fast tf (CL + 3 dds - all speed 36) got in a good attack - I lost one DD and had one damaged (1-2 months in one of my uber repair harbours will fix that!). Raver has lost 3 DDs from the engagement and has holes in 5 others.

Of course, if they'd run into Raver's bombardment group of battleships (who were off pounding rabaul) it would have been a different story.

As much as I want to, I CAN"T engage those BBs with my CVs. Even my betties are too valuable to suffer the losses I'd take from flak. I won't be able to replace those pilots . . . A TF of super AA allied BBs is more of a death star than the allied CV TF at this point.

My subs are useless (has anyone sunk a BB or CV with a jap sub? If so, please post and let me know why this is so ineffective for me - historically the jap subs were dynamite!) so the only hope is to surprise them in harbour with my own surface combat group.

The question is: which surface combat group?

Yamamoto (aggressive gunnery oriented type of guy) with a battle line swapping shells in a night fight (always risky - would much prefer to have a daytime battleline punchup - although to do that I have to catch Raver at sea. Surface combat intercepts can be risky)?

or do I send Tanaka in with half a dozen torpedo heavy CLs and DDs and hope for a long lancing? Sending in this TF would be cheaper (if things went wrong) and better at the night attack, and faster to withdraw. Hmmm . . . will put some thought into this.

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RE: The war so far. - 7/10/2005 2:43:19 PM

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You would prefer a daylight naval battle ????? No worries mate I'm all for it.....just name a nuetral hex and I'll be there.

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RE: The war so far. - 7/12/2005 2:36:56 PM

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RAVER"S CV's LAUNCH SURPRISE ATTACK ON KENDARI.

Good thing his maps suck and his pilots couldn't find Kendari!!!

On the other hand my betty pilots responsible for the security of that area were sitting around eating sushi, drinking saki and dallying with comfort girls. WTF??????

Didn't think Raver was dumb enough to fight me in my own air umbrella. CVs racing to intercept, all sqaudrons on alert. Calling all cars sort of thing.

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RE: The war so far. - 7/12/2005 10:19:12 PM

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Didn't think Raver was dumb enough to fight me in my own air umbrella.

By early '43 the Allied CV TF's can be made difficult to attack from the air, what with upgraded AA and more experienced pilots. One other possibility: if Raver has brought some British CV's to join the party, he may have Seafires or other fighters better than Wildcats. This should be interesting, if only the fog of war effects don't spoil the fight!

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RE: The war so far. - 7/13/2005 10:03:28 PM

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@ Raver : when you said that Luskan iys one of the best japanese players ever I must say that I agree 100%. Once again, he fooled me around like 2nd to none in our game. Unbeliveable, this is a "must see".

@ Harlock : USN CV's in 43 have the 10/42 AAA outfit - nasty but not impossible to break. I agree about the Seafire and the brit CV's. For Luskan an easy task imho - see above.

@ Luskan : talking about girls !

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RE: The war so far. - 7/15/2005 3:10:00 PM

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Ok guys I am back from my trip to South Oz. As Boofhead has already said, I tried a quick carrier raid on Kendari.....but alas my SBDs failed to find the target. that was very frustrating. And another thing bananananana boy...it is not a case of me being "dumb" enough, it is a case of me having the correctly sized male parts that allows me to run operations such as the Kendari raid. Timor is fast becoming quite the base in the local area with P-38's operating and ranging far and wide. I also now have Beaufighters as those puppies are just itching to catch some of the banana navy in open waters !

The fight goes on!

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RE: The war so far. - 7/16/2005 5:12:16 AM

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Alert! Allied naval assets spotted off Wake. My vals had a go and ran into 30+ wildcats, and a crapload of BB fired AAA. Not pretty!

Raver is going to invade Wake - the whole CV thing at Kendari was a bloody fake. Out of position . . .

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RE: The war so far. - 7/16/2005 7:28:06 AM

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There is NOTHING more satisfying than out whitting your opponent. Wake IS in for a hard time but I did have my share of heart failures........Vals were seen to scout the bombardment TF...VALS ! WTF did they come from?????? Are they part of a Jap CV group? Has Luskan got the jump on me? No was the answer to all of these questions. The Vals were simply a small group operating out of Wake. Now lets see how effective my "small" bombardment TF is. Stay tuned !

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RE: The war so far. - 7/16/2005 7:59:20 AM

Luskan

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Blood in the water. Raver has caught me so far out of position it isn't funny. He know me too well.

First off the diversion at Kendari - perfectly timed. My CV's slipped out of their base at flank speed, hoping to catch an allied CV in the contested waters north of Oz. How could I loose? There was only one allied CV, tonnes of my own betties and LBA on hand, and even if I did catch a hit or two, my CV's could retire to the easy safety of a dozen nearby bases.

I was hoping he'd refuel at Darwin and I'd catch him leaving Darwin. I was stoked - his LBA didn't spot my CVs, etc. etc. Now I'm the one out of fuel and a week from Wake.

At wake . . .well I scrambled a defence group and was kinda hopeful. I shouldn't have been. I got slapped by the bombardment group from hell. I even surprised the allied ships in this night fight and the result was Kongo blowing up after 1 16 inch hit and Yamato bruised, battered and on fire. No doubt Raver's CV coverage will hunt her down soon enough. At least the bombardment wasn't that big.

If this fight had gone well I'd be trying to rush CVs, troops, whatever I could - towards Wake. But Raver has such a big lead (especially time wise - my closest reinforcements are a week away - and troops even further than that!) I'm not sure it isn't smarter just to concede the ground and save firepower. this close to pearl hurts.

I have enough troops on Wake to hold out for a little while, but once we had our first CV battle I knew that I couldn't really contest here anymore and evacuated my division off Wake earlier. They're now very thankful for their cushy phillipines posting.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/17/43

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
F1M2 Pete: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, Shell hits 13, and is sunk
BB Yamato, Shell hits 9, on fire
CA Myoko, Shell hits 7, on fire
CA Nachi
DD Tanikaze, Shell hits 5, on fire
DD Umikaze, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatsushima
DD Ariake, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Shirayuki
DD Kari, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB West Virginia
BB Pennsylvania, Shell hits 11
BB Tennessee, Shell hits 5
BB Washington, Shell hits 1
BB South Dakota, Shell hits 4
BB Indiana, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Astoria, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Helena
DD Fletcher
DD Meredith, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Grayson
DD Buchanan, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Barton
DD Frazier

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ASW attack at 53,101

Japanese Ships
SS I-155

Allied Ships
MSW Wollongong
MSW Whyalla
MSW Stawell
MSW Kapunda
PG Isabel

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Naval bombardment of Wake Island, at 82,63

Allied Ships
CL Helena
BB Indiana, on fire
BB South Dakota
BB Washington
BB Tennessee
BB Pennsylvania
BB West Virginia

Japanese ground losses:
185 casualties reported

Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 10
Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 11

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Day Air attack on Lanchow , at 45,25

Allied aircraft
I-153c x 21
SB-2c x 30

Allied aircraft losses
SB-2c: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Oil hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
4 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
4 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on South Seas Det. , at 61,88

Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 2
B-25C Mitchell x 9
B-26B Marauder x 67

Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
183 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 6000 feet
20 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 6000 feet
20 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
5 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 6000 feet
8 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 19th Naval Guard Unit, at 61,88

Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 1
B-25C Mitchell x 6
B-26B Marauder x 95

Allied aircraft losses
F-5A Lightning: 1 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
116 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
20 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 6000 feet
48 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 6000 feet
27 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63

Allied aircraft
TBF Avenger x 18

Allied aircraft losses
TBF Avenger: 2 damaged

Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x TBF Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 82,62

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 18
SBD Dauntless x 33
TBF Avenger x 17

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Umikaze, Bomb hits 8, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 84,62

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 3

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CA Astoria, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet

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RE: The war so far. - 7/16/2005 8:45:08 AM

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While I wait for the game file to down load, I will simply post this little tit-bit...............all is not as it seems at Wake.

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Slap that banana ! - 7/16/2005 9:46:32 AM

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Well now that I've sent my reply to Luskan, so while I wait for him to receive and digest my latest brillant moves and will admit that a surface battle at Wake was not what I expected. I was hoping for some carrier action but hey, I take what ever I can get, and if I have done it right I might even be able to bag yet another BBB (Banana Boy Battleship)

The USS Astoria (CA) is in trouble with some major holes that has caused an alarming amount of flooding. If she is left alone she should make it to Midway where I'll be able to patch her and then send her onto Pearl and then stateside (who's ports are already full of ships either being fixed or upgraded I wish I had the ability to send some ships to the east coast to ease that workload on my west coast ports.)

I am yet to understand why Luskan has not made any moves towards India

His landforces in Burma/Malaya are more than a match for all of my land units in India and yet he seems content to sit out the war on his arse???? Maybe it has somethink to do with the colour of his banana skin??????

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RE: Slap that banana ! - 7/16/2005 10:42:39 AM

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This turn shows my hand. I knew Raver wanted a CV fight. My CVs were sitting just south of Wake for 4 turns without moving, waiting to see what he had to offer. Sure, it cost me some surface combat ships - but I evened that out this turn. I sacrificed a trio of DDs and a CA (and more damage to Yamato) to cripple the west virginia, and with surgical precision my CV TF crept in (out of allied CV range) and sank her - loosing 1 plane and taking damage to two others.

That is right -I just sunk an allied BB with my CV wing for little to no loss. Raver was hoping that either a: I'd send a half assed group out and his CVs would win (unlikely - I'm hunting him, not the other way around!) or b: I'd move my CVs too close too early and watch my air wing crash through the AA fire of 5 allied BBs . . . unlikely too.

I've got the drop on him - I'm between him and pearl. he is in my air umbrella and I'm fulled fuelled . . . He'll run north and try to use his BBs to fend me off. However he has allied CVEs sailing with his CV group - means that he'll be unusually slow.

I think I can force a CV battle, and I know I've got the best chance of winning I'll get this game. Enjoy.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/18/43

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
CA Tone, Shell hits 9, on fire
DD Susuzuki, Shell hits 7, on fire
DD Hatsuzuki, Shell hits 17, on fire, heavy damage
DD Naganami, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Onami
DD Ikazuchi, Shell hits 23, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB West Virginia, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Shell hits 6
BB Tennessee
BB Washington, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1
BB South Dakota, Shell hits 3
CL Helena, Shell hits 1
DD Fletcher, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Meredith, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Grayson
DD Barton

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
CA Tone, Shell hits 23, on fire, heavy damage
DD Susuzuki, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
DD Hatsuzuki, Shell hits 11, and is sunk
DD Naganami, Shell hits 12, on fire, heavy damage
DD Onami, Shell hits 3, on fire

Allied Ships
BB West Virginia, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania
BB Tennessee
BB Washington, Shell hits 1
BB South Dakota, Shell hits 2
CL Helena
DD Fletcher, on fire
DD Meredith, on fire
DD Grayson
DD Barton

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Naval bombardment of Wake Island, at 82,63

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CL Helena
BB South Dakota
BB Washington
BB Tennessee
BB Pennsylvania

Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported

Runway hits 9
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 2

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Day Air attack on South Seas Det. , at 61,88

Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 1
B-25C Mitchell x 11
B-26B Marauder x 127

Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
250 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
30 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 6000 feet
30 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 6000 feet
20 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 6000 feet
11 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
18 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 6000 feet
18 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 79,60

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 30
SBD Dauntless x 31
TBF Avenger x 16

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 13 damaged
TBF Avenger: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Yamato, Bomb hits 6, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 79,60

Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 33

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 10 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Yamato, Bomb hits 11, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Wake Island at 82,63

Allied aircraft
TBF Avenger x 33

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Onami, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 79,60

Allied aircraft
TBF Avenger x 8

Allied aircraft losses
TBF Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Ariake, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 85,61

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Tennessee

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 85,61

Japanese aircraft
E13A1 Jake x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
CA Astoria, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x E13A1 Jake bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 83,63

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 102
D3A Val x 119
B5N Kate x 128
E13A1 Jake x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 1 damaged
B5N Kate: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage sinks
DD Barton

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x E13A1 Jake bombing at 2000 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 86,61

Japanese aircraft
E13A1 Jake x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
DD Meredith, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x E13A1 Jake bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 85,61

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 96
E13A1 Jake x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 2 destroyed, 8 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Pennsylvania
BB Tennessee

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x E13A1 Jake bombing at 2000 feet
4 x E13A1 Jake bombing at 2000 feet
6 x E13A1 Jake bombing at 2000 feet

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RE: Slap that banana ! - 7/16/2005 11:20:59 AM

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Ouch! Nice move Luskan!

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RE: Slap that banana ! - 7/16/2005 12:32:35 PM

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Me thinks that I am in a spot of bother. What to do ? What to do???????? I aways said that Luskan is cunning player and it looks like he is going to chew me a new arsehole. I guess that there is nothing for it but to try and fight me way past him. Already I have 3 more CVs racing towards Midway in an attempt to try and lend aid, and maybe, thats a big MAYBE, hunt down whats left of Luskan's CV group. Fingers crossed.

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RE: Smackdown!!! - 7/16/2005 12:37:04 PM

Oliver Heindorf

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whoa !

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RE: Smackdown!!! - 7/16/2005 1:00:09 PM

Raverdave

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Luskan just emailed me to say that he is doing the next turn now. I am on tender hooks ! I can't bear it !

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