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REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/16/2005 1:21:18 PM

Luskan

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REVENGE IS MINE!!!!

All that waiting, and waiting, and the waiting and more waiting for Raver to expose a soft spot was worth it. I thought he would escape to the north last turn -but he didn't - and even better, his CVs were still set on react.

The ocean was ripe with decoy targets - DDs, CAs, BBs scattered all over the place, but Nagumo had the advantage - he had land based search planes and vals from Wake island to direct him towards the correct target.

Note to all japanese players: this is why we save our aircraft. We don't hang around at pearl and we don't ever use our CVs to hit land targets, or committ our first line of pilots to any battle that doesn't involve sinking enemy CVs or transports. Nothing else.

Nagumo - more than a little bit angry about Admiral Yamaguchi's demise at the battle of Midway 6 months ago (where I lost some CVs and Raver lost some too) waited for the enemy airstrike to arrive overhead with 94 of the best pilots in the world on CAP. About 10 planes made it through the CAP throughout the day and they landed no hits. None. Zippo. Nada. 2 enemy CVs and 3 enemy CVEs co-ordinated a series of strikes for no result, except now my naval aces have lots of kills.

Then he launched his morning strike, finding the enemy CVs Enterprise and Essex. The zeros escorting my strike in copped a bruising from the only non green allied pilots in the battle - VF-9. Then they got down to the CVs and there was nothing but burning smoking allied CVs (and the Juneo (sp) for good measure). Essex blew up, Enterprise sank.

Then in the afternoon Raver's TF of 3 CVEs launched their second strike at Nagumo, who was again, ready for them. Blitzed out of the sky, the allies had no planes left and had hit nothing. Nagumo responded and put all three CVE's under water by the close of play.

A few things to note = the extra float planes in my strike actually landed the first hits - and are responsible for drawing off lots of flak. Not to mention search ops as well.

After lunch some of my destroyers attacked the enemy BB tf (hoping for a long lancing). Unfortunately the allies turned tail and ran.

Now Raver says something about more CVs coming to play?? I can't barely wait. I've lost 25 aircraft, and have the damaged ones repairing right now. raver lost 140 in the air, 30 to flak and about 50 aboard sinking ships.

So, Kono lost the Kongo and Yamato took some damage - I also lost about 7 precious DDs in this three day long battle. Nagumo scalped the Enterprise, Essex, West Virginia, Chenango, Suwanee, Sangamon and Juneau.

Total Banana Victory people. Absolute victory. 1943 has started really, really well.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/19/43

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Sub attack at 62,48

Japanese Ships
TK Ogura Maru #2
TK Kyokuei Maru
MSW W.16
MSW W.11

Allied Ships
SS Sawfish

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Day Air attack on Lanchow , at 45,25

Allied aircraft
I-153c x 19
SB-2c x 32

Allied aircraft losses
SB-2c: 5 damaged

Oil hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
9 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
2 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Amboina , at 39,73

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 284
B-24D Liberator x 91

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
20 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
23 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
24 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
20 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
20 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
20 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
18 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
11 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
18 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
11 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
11 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
8 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
13 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
12 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
5 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 82,61

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 94

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 11
TBF Avenger x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 11 destroyed
TBF Avenger: 8 destroyed

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Day Air attack on TF at 82,61

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 93

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 34
SBD Dauntless x 23
TBF Avenger x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 9 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 33 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 13 destroyed
TBF Avenger: 8 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CVE Unyo
CV Junyo

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 82,61

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 50

Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 24
TBF Avenger x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 9 destroyed, 2 damaged
TBF Avenger: 12 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CVL Zuiho
CV Akagi

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 82,61

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 75

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 10
TBF Avenger x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 9 destroyed
TBF Avenger: 9 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CVL Zuiho
CV Akagi

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 85,61

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 85,63

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 102
D3A Val x 119
B5N Kate x 128
E13A1 Jake x 20

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 34

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 26 destroyed
D3A Val: 4 destroyed, 18 damaged
B5N Kate: 4 destroyed, 26 damaged
E13A1 Jake: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 23 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Essex, Bomb hits 16, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CL Cleveland
CLAA Juneau, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x E13A1 Jake bombing at 2000 feet
8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
7 x E13A1 Jake bombing at 2000 feet
7 x E13A1 Jake bombing at 2000 feet
8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 84,61

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 78
D3A Val x 88
B5N Kate x 94
E13A1 Jake x 6

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed
D3A Val: 17 damaged
B5N Kate: 2 destroyed, 18 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 29 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Suwannee, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CVE Sangamon, Bomb hits 14, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CVE Chenango, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD O'Bannon

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
5 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
5 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
6 x E13A1 Jake bombing at 2000 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 84,61

Japanese aircraft
F1M2 Pete x 8
E13A1 Jake x 13

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CVE Chenango, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x E13A1 Jake bombing at 2000 feet
8 x F1M2 Pete bombing at 2000 feet
7 x E13A1 Jake bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 84,61

Japanese aircraft
F1M2 Pete x 14

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x F1M2 Pete bombing at 2000 feet
8 x F1M2 Pete bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Time Surface Combat at 85,61

Japanese Ships
DD Yayoi
DD Uzuki
DD Satsuki
DD Fumizuki
DD Nagatsuki

Allied Ships
BB Pennsylvania
BB Tennessee, Shell hits 1
BB Washington
BB South Dakota
CL Helena
DD Fletcher
DD Grayson

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/16/2005 2:08:16 PM

Raverdave

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Oh the horror , the horror, the horror, the horror.

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/16/2005 2:26:30 PM

Terminus

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OW! That's gotta hurt!

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/16/2005 3:00:17 PM

Luskan

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A look at the major assets Raver has lost so far in this war.

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/16/2005 3:45:15 PM

Oliver Heindorf

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ouch !

Raver, seeing you dying this way gives me little hope for my game too.....

HELP - This banananana boy kill me !

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/16/2005 4:06:03 PM

Terminus

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Where's that 3,000 pound gorilla when you need him, eh?

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/16/2005 4:27:06 PM

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Take heart Oliver Heindorf,

All is not lost, indeed I am in a great possition and Luskan knows it. I still have 6 CVs on the map and by the end of '43 will have another 25....25 CVs joining the fleet.
I hold New Guinea, The Admiralties and the Solomons as well as Timor in the DEI. My vast LRBs crush to dust whatever they bomb and he has no answer. My best troops are still fresh and eager. India is under my control, and China is yet to be cowed.

Luskan is simply playing a defensive war, and in defence he will loose.

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/16/2005 4:33:12 PM

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Typically speaking, after a nasty defeat (usually at sea) Raver has a couple of turns of panic, followed by a retaliation - usually pretty predictable.

See if i'm right.

As for Ollie, well he sneaks his CVs in for quick raids at the very very edge of my control zone (Noumea). Means the chances of me a: having CVs in the area already or b: reacting in time to smack him are quite low. He's kept all his CVs undamaged so far.

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/16/2005 5:36:00 PM

ZekeNY

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Wow.

My new mantra, which I will chant for 10 minutes before each turn of my PBEM game: I will wait for Corsairs. I will wait for Corsairs. I will wait for Corsairs. I will wait for Corsairs.

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/17/2005 1:42:59 AM

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oh..the humanity....Dave, how could you allow this? Looks like you did a six foot header after slipping on a bananna peel!

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/17/2005 1:44:29 AM

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Yeah, straight into a drained swimming pool. Ow!

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/17/2005 7:33:48 AM

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With the allies, CV power is used for covering invasions mostly. Which is important because they need to fend off mountains of betties and kates and vals which are all LBA.

I've just made invasions harder for Raver - so hard he probably will have to wait for the over-powered allied game ending fighter plane that shall not be mentioned. Raver isn't very patient though.

I've wasted no betties or pilots on any non naval targets all game. My pilots are still elite (thank god!) and my LBA is now the equal of my navy (they've had nothing to do but train). Nates becoming Tony's and Oscars. See a nate in this AAR? You don't because they've been in training for 2 years. Makes for good pilots.

When the **** hits the fan, I'm willing to back my LBA power against his reduced CV airpower. it'll cost me, but I'll beat back his invasion (transports or CVs - don't mind which I hit) with my LBA.

I'm not willing to back my surface fleet (now I've lost Kongo!) against the sort of battlewagon lineup I saw at Wake. Breathed a big sigh of relief when Yamato escaped (and then escaped his CVs again). I've been hoarding my battlewagons at Singapore, Rangoon and Tavoy - since against the older brit BBs I have a much better chance. I have several BBs undergoing refits, and now Yamato is laid up, leaving me with just 2 BBs, a handful of CAs and about 20 DDs for pacific operations. I've got some nice fleet units in the SRA to watch Oz, but I'm talking about contesting Wake, Rabaul, Solomons etc. I just don't have the firepower to match him at this point.

Mines?

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/17/2005 9:42:53 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Luskan
I've just made invasions harder for Raver - so hard he probably will have to wait for the over-powered allied game ending fighter plane that shall not be mentioned. Raver isn't very patient though.

The Voldemort of aircraft, huh? The-plane-that-must-not-be-named.

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/17/2005 1:50:13 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark VII

oh..the humanity....Dave, how could you allow this? Looks like you did a six foot header after slipping on a bananna peel!

Oh well, but at least even with the lose of the CVs I'm still in the game. I'm a hard man to keep down.

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/17/2005 9:16:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: ZekeNY

Wow.

My new mantra, which I will chant for 10 minutes before each turn of my PBEM game: I will wait for Corsairs. I will wait for Corsairs. I will wait for Corsairs. I will wait for Corsairs.

Which is highly unrealistic. The American public back then would have never waited for eoighteen months to do anything. You fight wars with both TO&E and public opinion. But the game cannot model that.

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/17/2005 10:35:22 PM

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quote:

quote:

ORIGINAL: ZekeNY

Wow.

My new mantra, which I will chant for 10 minutes before each turn of my PBEM game: I will wait for Corsairs. I will wait for Corsairs. I will wait for Corsairs. I will wait for Corsairs.

Which is highly unrealistic. The American public back then would have never waited for eoighteen months to do anything. You fight wars with both TO&E and public opinion. But the game cannot model that.

Eighteen months? Closer to three years, if you think historically. The USN didn't start flying Corsairs from carriers until 1944. My advice is to go when you have Hellcats.

Congratulations to Luskan for pulling off a remarkable reversal and keeping control of the CV balance long after the tide had turned in the actual event. I notice that he had to join Raver in Creative Intelligence/Baldface Lying to do it, though. Guys, these AAR's are a lot more useful to the larger audience if you report accurately.

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/17/2005 11:41:35 PM

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Luskan is fighting this war exactly right. Too many Japanese players give up on the carrier combat in 1943 yet the Japanese have a huge qualitative advantage with A6M3a and A6M5 while the USN still flies F4F-4. Im at 8/43 in my PBEM and am finally just converting my fighters to Hellcats.

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/17/2005 11:47:02 PM

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Definitely... I'm letting the jarheads fly the Corsairs from land bases, while my carriers are still waiting for their Hellcats.

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/18/2005 3:03:48 PM

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Raver has been winning the baldface lying war so far this game. E.g. Fortress Java.

This time I simply neglected to report I spotted him coming towards Wake 2 turns before I did, talked about Kendari a LOT (as though I was completely focused on it) and maybe exagerrate how out of position I was.

I would have liked 5 BBs and ALL my CVs on hand to hit Raver, but I didn't so I wasn't ready for him either!

besides, this forum is too good a tool for misinformation back and forth between Raver and I to pass up. he uses it, so do I.

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/18/2005 4:48:24 PM

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Excellent move Luskan. Excellent

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/18/2005 7:27:28 PM

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Brilliant!

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/18/2005 10:27:49 PM

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This time I simply neglected to report I spotted him coming towards Wake 2 turns before I did, talked about Kendari a LOT (as though I was completely focused on it) and maybe exagerrate how out of position I was.

Less than truthful, Luskan. Your exact words were:

Blood in the water. Raver has caught me so far out of position it isn't funny. He know me too well.

First off the diversion at Kendari - perfectly timed. My CV's slipped out of their base at flank speed, hoping to catch an allied CV in the contested waters north of Oz.

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/19/2005 12:38:17 PM

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Yeah I got sucked in with Luskan's supposed focus on Kendari chant

He played it well and won the toss. Never fear, revenge will be mine and sooner than Luskan thinks.

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Cracked 50 K ! - 7/19/2005 12:40:04 PM

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Just noticed that Luskan and I have cracked the 50K mark........Woo Hooo !

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/19/2005 12:48:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: AdmSpruance

Luskan is fighting this war exactly right. Too many Japanese players give up on the carrier combat in 1943 yet the Japanese have a huge qualitative advantage with A6M3a and A6M5 while the USN still flies F4F-4. Im at 8/43 in my PBEM and am finally just converting my fighters to Hellcats.

Yeah Luskan has been on the inside track for most of our naval battles (and also a few of our air battles....the air battle for Rangoon was one that Luskan won). But the price for him has also been rather high and I think that he would be the first at admit, that the cost in DDs has been painfull.

Although I am a strong believer in NOT using the USN carriers till late '42 early '43 I do not think that the allied player can afford to wait till all of the fighters convert to either Corsairs or Hellcats.....using THAT tactic you give control of the seas to the IJN player. You have carriers for a reason and that is to carry the fight to the enemy.

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/19/2005 4:00:30 PM

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The DDs has hurt - you only need to compare the sunk ship list with the OOB to see how bad.
In truth I mis-used them. I also had a real problem with subs. Poor deployment and very poor planning cost me all of them early.

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/19/2005 4:40:54 PM

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Very nice move Luskan!

But now, as you pointed out, his CVs and BBs are supposed to be in support for landings - have you/do you try to look after the landing party probably a day or three behind the combat TFs??? Might be on a hurry back under LBA cover from Midway though...

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/19/2005 6:27:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock

quote:

This time I simply neglected to report I spotted him coming towards Wake 2 turns before I did, talked about Kendari a LOT (as though I was completely focused on it) and maybe exagerrate how out of position I was.

Less than truthful, Luskan. Your exact words were:

Blood in the water. Raver has caught me so far out of position it isn't funny. He know me too well.

First off the diversion at Kendari - perfectly timed. My CV's slipped out of their base at flank speed, hoping to catch an allied CV in the contested waters north of Oz.

Who cares if Luskan lied or not? Raverdave has and it's not like it's not allowed to lie on a public AAR. It's part of the psy war, and it's part of the fun.

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RE: REVENGE!!!!!!!! - 7/19/2005 8:33:59 PM

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I'd agree. Misinformation has been part of war all through history.

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Truth and Consequences - 7/19/2005 10:30:51 PM

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Who cares if Luskan lied or not? Raverdave has and it's not like it's not allowed to lie on a public AAR.

Actually, I've already partly addressed that question, but here goes for a more detailed explanation: These are, as you pointed out, public AAR's. You can't claim that "he lies, so I can lie", because many of the readers are not liars. Even more important, these forums are here for a reason. Granted, they're fun, but they also perform a valuable service to the wargaming community by offering tips on gameplay, showing why history was or was not what could be expected, and detecting bugs. This last is a very subtle but important function. Example: when Gary Grigsby's "North Atlantic '86" came out, it seemed to me that NATO fighters where not firing missiles at the rate they should. I called SSI on it, and they told me the numbers were right. Some time later when I managed to read the source code, I found that missile launches were good if only one aircraft type at a base had missiles, but if there were a mix such as Eagles and Tomcats, the missile expenditure counter got messed up.

To sum up, psychological warfare is best carried on through e-mail. Accurate reporting makes a public forum much more valuable.

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