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Soviet OOB thread - 7/20/2005 11:39:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay, since Soviet horse survives all the beatings I’m going to gather and systemize all the data on subject and post it here (in editor friendly manner) so that those who interested in detailed Soviet OOB in this or that scenario would be able to lift the needed data here.

Note please, that the only goal I personally see here is somewhat accurate 8/45 OOB, so there will be no data for what-if scenarios.

I’ll start with Soviet navy OOB, it will be posted in several parts since I have to double-check some data.


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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 7/20/2005 11:39:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Soviet Pacific fleet 07/45

(Note: there are no soviet naval devices in database so I have to use comparable allied devices)

DESTROYERS

Leningrad Class

Max Speed – 40
Cruise Speed – 15
MVR – 60
Durability – 12
Endurance – 3100
Fuel – 600
Deck/Belt/Tower armor – 5/5/5
Armament
(#043) 5.1in/50 M1924 Gun – 2 – 1 – F – 24 – 05
(#043) 5.1in/50 M1924 Gun – 1 – 1 – C – 24 – 05
(#043) 5.1in/50 M1924 Gun – 2 – 1 – R – 24 – 05
(#066) 3in/20cwt AA Gun – 2 – 2 – C – 36 – 0
(#066) 3in/20cwt AA Gun – 1 – 1 – R – 36 – 0
(#078) 37mm M1933 AA Gun – 4 – 1 – F – 36 – 0
(#078) 37mm M1933 AA Gun – 4 – 1 – C – 36 – 0
(#078) 37mm M1933 AA Gun – 3 – 1 – R – 36 – 0
(#075) 0.5in Browning M2 MG – 4 – 2 – F – 36 – 0
(#075) 0.5in Browning M2 MG – 4 – 2 – R – 36 – 0
(#090) 21in Mk VIIc Torpedo – 4 – 1 – C – 1 – 0
(#090) 21in Mk VIIc Torpedo – 4 – 1 – C – 1 – 0
(#105) Mk VII Depth Charge – 2 – 2 – C – 18 – 0
(#105) Mk VII Depth Charge – 2 – 2 – R – 18 – 0
(#134) SG Radar – 1 – 1 – C

1 Ship (Vladivostok)

Tbilisi (CPT Rassoha A.I)

VII Class

Max Speed – 37
Cruise Speed – 15
MVR – 62
Durability – 9
Endurance – 2170
Fuel – 410
Deck/Belt/Tower armor – 5/5/5
Armament
(#043) 5.1in/50 M1924 Gun – 2 – 1 – F – 24 – 05
(#043) 5.1in/50 M1924 Gun – 1 – 1 – C – 24 – 05
(#043) 5.1in/50 M1924 Gun – 1 – 1 – R – 24 – 05
(#066) 3in/20cwt AA Gun – 2 – 1 – C – 24 – 0
(#078) 37mm M1933 AA Gun – 4 – 1 – C – 36 – 0
(#075) 0.5in Browning M2 MG – 4 – 2 – F – 36 – 0
(#075) 0.5in Browning M2 MG – 2 – 2 – R – 36 – 0
(#090) 21in Mk VIIc Torpedo – 3 – 1 – LS – 1 – 0
(#090) 21in Mk VIIc Torpedo – 3 – 1 – RS – 1 – 0
(#105) Mk VII Depth Charge – 2 – 1 –R – 24 – 0

10 ships

(Vladivostok)
Ryaniy (CPT Philimonov I.G)
Rastoropniy (CPT Lavrovsky L.S.)
Rezviy (CPT Lobov S.M.)
Razyashiy (CPT Kuras E.G.)
Rezkiy (CPT Seliverstov G.P.)
Retiviy (CPT Solovieov V.V)

(Nakhodka)
Reshitelniy (CPT Lamm B.N.)
Revnostniy (CPT Nikiforov V.K.)
Redkiy (CPT Peretyatko G.S)
Recordniy (CPT Osipov M.I.)

Novik III Class

Max Speed – 32
Cruise Speed – 15
MVR – 61
Durability – 7
Endurance – 3540
Fuel – 450
Deck/Belt/Tower armor – 0/0/0
Armament
(#035) 4in/45 QF Mk IV Gun – 1 – 1 – F – 24 – 0
(#035) 4in/45 QF Mk IV Gun – 3 – 1 – R – 24 – 0
(#078) 37mm M1933 AA Gun – 4 – 1 – C – 36 – 0
(#075) 0.5in Browning M2 MG – 2 – 1 – R – 36 – 0
(#105) Mk VII Depth Charge – 2 – 1 – R – 12 – 0
(#135) SJ Radar – 1 – 1 – C

2 Ships (Vladivostok)

Samson (CPT Kamudo M.I.)
Voikov (CPT Abyzev A.N.)


Submarines

Only types that were capable to operate in the high seas

Armament [device number – name of device – num – tur – face – am – arm]
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“S” class (IXbis type)
Max Speed – 19
Cruise Speed – 9
MVR – 74
Durability – 28
Endurance – 9500
Fuel – 184
Capacity – 0
Deck/belt/tower armor – 0/0/0
Armament
(#103) 21in Mk 10 Torpedo – 4 – 4 – F – 2 – 0
(#103) 21in Mk 10 Torpedo – 2 – 2 – R – 2 – 0
(#035) 4in/45 QF Mk IV Gun – 1 – 1 – F – 20 – 0
(#074) 1.1in Mk 1 AA Gun – 1 – 1 – R – 36 – 0
(#075) 0.5in Browning M2 MG – 1 – 1 – C – 36 – 0

2 units (Vladivostok)

S-52 (CPT Botmanov, A)
S-53 (CPT Sinelnikov, P)
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“Shch” class (V, Vbis, Vbis-2, X types)

Max Speed – 12
Cruise Speed – 8
MVR – 76
Durability – 27
Endurance – 9300
Fuel – 125
Capacity – 0
Deck/belt/tower armor – 0/0/0

Armament
(#103) 21in Mk 10 Torpedo – 4 – 4 – F – 2 – 0
(#103) 21in Mk 10 Torpedo – 2 – 2 – R – 1 – 0
(#074) 1.1in Mk 1 AA Gun – 1 – 1 – F – 36 – 0
(#074) 1.1in Mk 1 AA Gun – 1 – 1 – R – 36 – 0
(#075) 0.5in Browning M2 MG – 2 – 1 – C – 36 – 0

36 units

Sovetskaya Gavan

Shch-116 (CPT Nereshin, I)
Shch-117 (CPT Lubovsky, A)
Shch-118 (CPT Salko, D)
Shch-119 (CPT Podolyakin, M)
Shch-120 (CPT Goroshenko, O)

Petropavlovsk

Shch-105 (CPT Narishev, B)
Shch-106 (CPT Velikanov, S)
Shch-109 (CPT Bradchuk, S)
Shch-111 (CPT Pavlyukov, G)

Vladivostok

Shch-101 (CPT Gusev, E)
Shch-102 (CPT Bondarev, A)
Shch-104 (CPT Kuzmichev, L)
Shch-113 (CPT Dudko, M)
Shch-114 (CPT Kharchenko, I)
Shch-125 (CPT Michailov, T)
Shch-128 (CPT Trosyuk, N)
Shch-131 (CPT Archipov, R)
Shch-133 (CPT Studnev, N)
Shch-134 (CPT Zhitnikov, S)
Shch-135 (CPT Fokin, A)
Shch-136 (CPT Nurdel, I)
Shch-137 (CPT Kiryushin, V)

Nakhodka

Shch-107 (CPT Sharnenko, S
Shch-108 (CPT Kolesnikov, F)
Shch-110 (CPT Bubenzov, F)
Shch-112 (CPT Losnevsky, O)
Shch-115 (CPT Berezhek, E)
Shch-121 (CPT Popov, A)
Shch-122 (CPT Frangulov, G)
Shch-123 (CPT Levin, E)
Shch-124 (CPT Stasinevich, I)
Shch-126 (CPT Zakharov, V)
Shch-127 (CPT Kasenari, R)
Shch-129 (CPT Sadovnikov, A)
Shch-130 (CPT Chistyakov, H)
Shch-132 (CPT Lazarev, N)
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“L” class (XI, XIII types)

Max Speed – 15
Cruise Speed – 9
MVR – 71
Durability – 28
Endurance – 10000
Fuel – 190
Capacity – 0
Deck/belt/tower armor – 0/0/0

Armament
(#103) 21in Mk 10 Torpedo – 4 – 4 – F – 2 – 0
(#103) 21in Mk 10 Torpedo – 2 – 2 – F – 1 – 0
(#035) 4in/45 QF Mk IV Gun – 1 – 1 – F – 20 – 5
(#074) 1.1in Mk 1 AA Gun – 1 – 1 – C – 36 – 0
(#075) 0.5in Browning M2 MG – 2 – 1 – C – 36 – 0
(#123) Mk 6 Mine – 2 -2 – R – 20 – 0

12 units

Vladivostok

L-7 (CPT Umerenkov, N)
L-8 (CPT Losev, A)
L-9 (CPT Zimin, V)
L-10 (CPT Hurshudov, V)
L-11 (CPT Balabay, I)
L-12 (CPT Ushakov, O)
L-13 (CPT Evdokimov, V)
L-14 (CPT Shorokhov, A)
L-15 (CPT Dubenko, D)
L-17 (CPT Bezrukov, U)
L-18 (CPT Poveselkin, K

Minelayers

Converted cargo ships

Max Speed – 11
Cruise Speed - 8
MVR – 50
Durability – 18
Endurance – 3500
Fuel – 630
Capacity – 0
Deck/belt/tower armor – 5/5/0
Armament
(#021) 5in/51 Mk 7 Gun – 2 – 2 – F – 24 – 0
(#021) 5in/51 Mk 7 Gun – 1 – 1 – R – 24 – 0
(#056) 3in/50 Mk 10 Gun – 2 – 2 – C – 36 – 0
(#074) 1.1in Mk 1 AA Gun – 2 – 2 – C – 36 – 0
(#129) VH2 Mine – 4 – 4 – R – 360 – 0

4 Ships
Argun,
Astrakhan,
Voroshilovsk,
Gigeega

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Arsenal Class

Max Speed – 13
Cruise Speed - 10
MVR – 65
Durability – 15
Endurance – 3000
Fuel – 100
Capacity – 0
Deck/belt/tower armor – 5/5/0
Armament
(#021) 5in/51 Mk 7 Gun – 1 – 1 – F – 24 – 0
(#021) 5in/51 Mk 7 Gun – 1 – 1 – R – 24 – 0
(#074) 1.1in Mk 1 AA Gun – 4 – 4 – C – 36 – 0
(#129) VH2 Mine – 2 – 2 – R – 200 – 0

5 Ships

Vokhtoga,
Theodor Nette,
Merezha,
Kapitan Makeev,
Arsenal

Minesweepers

Fugas class

Max Speed – 18
Cruise Speed - 15
MVR – 75
Durability – 5
Endurance – 2300
Fuel – 180
Capacity – 0
Deck/belt/tower armor – 5/5/0
Armament
(#035) 4in/45 QF Mk IV Gun – 1 – 1 – F – 36 – 0
(#074) 1.1in Mk 1 AA Gun – 2 – 1 – C – 36 – 0
(#074) 20mm Oerlikon AA Gun – 2 – 1 – R – 36 – 0
(#075) 0.5in Browning M2 MG – 2 – 1 – R – 36 – 0
(#105) Mk VII Depth Charge – 2 – 2 – R – 10 – 0

8 Ships

Strela,
Cheka,
Tros,
Provodnik,
Podsekatel,
Vekha,
Paravan,
Kapsul

Transports

(Class - 342) Medium AP (US)

19 Ships Capacity 4000 x 19 = 76 000

TO-11, TO-12, TO-13, TO-14, TO-15, TO-16, TO-17, TO-18, TO-19, TO-20,
TO-21, TO-22, TO-23, TO-24, TO-25, TO-26, TO-27, TO-28, TO-29
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(Class - 401) Medium AP (Allied)

11 Ships Capacity 4000 x 11 = 44 000

Lune,
Primorsky Ugolshik,
Motive,
Rovenione,
Stanislav Sobolev,
Kapitan Anyutin,
Rubej,
Udarnik,
Moskovsky,
Svyatozar,
Zhulebin
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(Class - 404) Small AK (Allied)

22 Ships - Capacity 4500 x 22 = 99 000

TO-31, TO-32, TO-33, TO-34, TO-35, TO-36, TO-37, TO-38, TO-39, TO-40,
TO-41, TO-42, TO-43, TO-44, TO-45, TO-46, TO-47, TO-48, TO-49, TO-50,
TO-51, TO-52
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(Class - 346) Small AK (US)

8 Ships - Capacity 4500 x 8 = 36 000

TOS-61, TOS-62, TOS-63, TOS-64, TOS-65, TOS-66, TOS-67, TOS-68

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(Class - 406) Small Tanker

8 Ships - Capacity 9000 x 8 = 72 000

Georgiy Voronov,
Stavropol,
Medusa,
Konstantin Gerasimov,
Dalnevostochnik,
Primoryie,
Pervomay,
Olga Shugilina
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(Class - 364) Landing Ship Inf.

30 Units - Capacity 190 x 30 = 5700

DS-1, DS-2, DS-3, DS-4, DS-5, DS-6, DS-7, DS-8, DS-9, DS-10, DS-31,
DS-32, DS-33, DS-34, DS-35, DS-36, DS-37, DS-38, DS-39,DS-40, DS-41,
DS-42, DS-43, DS-44, DS-45, DS-46, DS-47, DS-48, DS-49, DS-50.
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(Class - 373) Landing Craft Tank

10 Ships - Capacity 150 x 10 = 1500

DS-11, DS-12, DS-13, DS-14, DS-15, DS-16, DS-17, DS-18, DS-19, DS-20
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Total AP capacity – 127 200
Total AK capacity – 135 000
Total TK capacity – 72 000
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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 7/20/2005 11:39:58 PM   
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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 7/20/2005 11:40:07 PM   
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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 7/21/2005 3:10:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		A bit of info on Pacific Ocean Air Flotilla in operation Autumn Storm.

http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/soviet_navel_aerial_kills_augus.htm



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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 7/21/2005 3:10:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		please note I have had about 25 soviet ship class art work sides-shils done for some time now
and with this info would be able to create soviet Pac Fleet
any OOB info for 1939 to 1945 would be helpfull
I allways run with soviets activated in my games and suppose other do to...??
we would need to be allocated a block of allied class numbers and ship numbers from Don to incorporate into CHS as an addon for those how would want them. this would prevent overwriting in further CHS updates

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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 7/21/2005 3:20:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: doktorblood

A bit of info on Pacific Ocean Air Flotilla in operation Autumn Storm.

http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/soviet_navel_aerial_kills_augus.htm




Here's the text...I've bolded all relevant units. Note especially the Mine Torpedoe Regiments at the bottom of the OOB.

Soviet Naval Aerial Kills in August 1945
by George Mellinger, Twin Cities Aero Historians


It seems the Soviets generally met little opposition in the air during their brief war against Japan in August 1945, Operation Autumn Storm, and suffered most of their losses to anti-aircraft fire and to non-combat causes. There has been mention of one incident when an Army pilot, Jr. Lt. Miroshnichenko, of the 17 IAP flying the P-63 Kingcobra shot down a Ki-43 or K-27 fighter, while operating on the Transbaikal Front out of Mongolia.. Undoubtedly at least a few other Soviet Army Air pilots managed to score air victories, but no details are known.
The situation regarding activity by the Soviet Pacific Ocean Air Flotilla has just become a bit more clear. The navy took a major role in the seizure of Sakhalin and the Kurile Islands, and the push down the coast to seize northern Korea. The Soviet naval air arm flew a total of 474 sorties and lost 57 aircraft, 37 to enemy action, and 55 men - 23 pilots and 32 crew members. There were no losses known to be due to enemy aircraft. Several individuals wee awarded the HSU, leading to one immediate post-war scandal. A shturmovik pilot who had been awarded the HSU after his heroic death during an anti-shipping strike, was discovered very much alive and healthy in the capitalist American zone of occupied Korea. He had survived the crash at sea and rowed himself to shore in his liferaft. The Comrades were not glad to see him.
In a torpedo strike, Major G. D. Popovich, flying an Il-4 twin-motor torpedo bomber of the 4 MTAP sank the only Japanese naval vessel sunk during the campaign, a 740 ton “Type D Frigate”, hull number 82. (Maybe one of you Japanese specialists can better clarify the vessel class - top speed 17.5kts, 2 120mm & 6 25mm guns).
The Soviet naval pilots scored a total of 4 aerial victories, details of three being available.
On August 10, 1945 Junior Lieutenant Korshunov of the 50 OMRAP (Ind. Naval Reconnaissance Air Regt.), flying a Yak-9 encountered and shot down a Kawanishi H6K Mavis over Rasin (later Najin) in the Northeastern-most corner of Korea.

On August 15, 1945, at 13:30 hours, 29 Pe-2 dive bombers of the 55 BAP bombed the railroad station at Ranan (later Nanam). A Pair of J2M fighters tried to intervene and an escorting Yak-9 of the 19 IAP shot down one of them, the other escaping.

At 17:18 hours that same day, 34 Pe-2s of the 33 BAP, again escorted by the Yak-9s of the 19 IAP, attacked the station at Funei (late Nuren). Again there was token opposition, and once again a J2M was shot down; this time the pilot was identified as a Lieutenant Grib.
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Sovet Air Forces "Autumn Storm" Air Order of Battle
by George Mellinger, Twin Cities Aero Historians, RART-Air Britain (updated 01/28/2001)
Little attention has been paid to the brief Soviet-Japanese war of August 1945, "Operation Autumn Storm" as the Soviets called it. Most of what has been available is from the Japanese perspective. Colonel David Glantz published the Soviet Army Order of Battle as an appendix to his two-volume book about the Soviet operation, and includes major Soviet air formations. But a detailed presentation of the Soviet Air Order of Battle has not been available.

The basic structure of Soviet airpower changed surprisingly little during the war years. After the first exodus of units sent westward in June 1941, for the rest of the war most units remained in place, shifting resources by transferring individual squadrons and pilots but retaining the basic regimental and divisional structure. After Novikov reformed the Soviet air structure in the spring of 1942 the formations in the east eventually restructured to conform to the newer Soviet pattern, but it took considerably longer, as did re-equipment with modern aircraft types. There were still a few units operating such old aircraft as the I-16 and the SB as late as 1945, including the 888 IAP on the Kamchatka Peninsula, which kept the I-16 until August 1945, when it finally transitioned to the P-63. The 23 TBAE in Transbaikal still had the TB-3, though it was used as a transport and not as a bomber. Alongside the ancient aircraft, were also large numbers of the most modern types such as the Il-10 and Tu-2, which had seen limited service in the west.

The Far Eastern air structure remained fairly stable until the defeat of Germany. Almost immediately after the German surrender, ground and some air units began relocating to the Transbaikal and Far Eastern Fronts which would wage the war against Japan.

Air Divisions generally had three regiments, occasionally two, usually all of the same type. A notable exception were the the ShADs in the 12 Air Army, which consisted of 2 ShAPs and 1 IAP to provide escort. It is uncertain, but possible that this same structure existed for the other ShADs assigned to the 9 and 10 Air Armies. A similar arrangement existed in some of the naval air divisions. Statutory strength for regiments was 32 aircraft in 3 squadrons, and a headquarters flight. Squadrons had 10 aircraft, independent squadrons, perhaps a few more. Unfortunately, in most instances it has been impossible to determine the component regiments of the various air divisions, or the specific types of aircraft flown.
Fighters appear to have been mainly Yak-9, La-5/La-7, and P-63; there is no evidence of P-40s or Hurricanes being used, though these types cannot be ruled out. The main Front Aviation bombers were the P-2 and Tu-2, with perhaps some A-20s and a few SBs. The Li-2 (a licence-built version of the DC-3, often with bomb bays and turret), DB-3/Il-4 and B-25 were assigned to long range bomber units. Reconnaissance regiments and squadrons used the standard VVS fighter and bomber aircraft, particularly the Pe-2 and Yak. The Correction regiments and squadrons flew either fighters or Il-2 Shturmoviks, including a variant specially modified for artillery spotting. Naval aviation units were organized essentially identically to regular air force units. A special case was the Mine-Torpedo Regiment, equipped with the DB-3, Il-4 or A-20, and tasked with dropping torpedoes and aerial mines, and also making mast level bombing attacks. Naval reconnaissance units used either standard land-based fighters and bombers or the MBR-2, PBN and PBY-6A. Anoteher special unit was the 63 MRAE, flying the MBR-2VU variant of the Soviet flying boat, which was equipped for radio control of remote-controlled speedboats; this weapon was used briefly during the capture of Seisin.

To show the development of air power in the far east, the orders of battle are given for June 1 at the start of the build-up, August 1 on the eve of the campaign, and September 1 at the end of the campaign. When possible commanders, subordinate regiments and types of aircraft as of August 1945 have been given, where less than three regiments are listed, there were probably other regiments, as yet unidentified.



Designations:
IAK Fighter Corps
IAD Fighter Division
IAD-PVO Defense Fighter Division
IAP Fighter Regiment
OIAP Independent Fighter Regiment
OIAE Independent Fighter Squadron
ShAD Assault (Shturmovik) Division
ShAP Assault Regiment
SAD Composite Division
BAK Bomber Corps
BAD Bomber Division
BAP Bomber Regiment
BBAP Close Range Bomber Regiment
PBAP Dive Bomber Regiment
DBAD Long Range Bomber Division
DBAP Long Range Bomber Regiment
TBAE Heavy Bomber Squadron
RAP Reconnaissance Regiment
RAE Reconnaissance Squadron
DRAE Long Range Reconnaissance Squadron
KRAP (Artillery) Correction-Reconnaissance Regiment
KRAE (Artillery) Correction-Reconnaissance Squadron
KAE (Artillery) Correction Squadron
TRAD Transport Division
TRAP Transport Regiment
O/N OAPS Special Purpose Liaison Regiment
OAPS Liaison Regiment
SANAP Medical Regiment
Peregon AP Ferrying Regiment
MTAP Mine Torpedo Regiment
MRAP Naval Reconnaissance Regiment
MRAE Naval Reconnaissance Squadron
OAO Separate Avaition Flight
VU Radio control (for remotre control speedboats)
TOF Pacific Ocean Fleet
STOF Northern Pacific Ocean Fleet
OMBAP-PV Independent Border Gaurds Patrol Regiment
Gv Guards



June 1, 1945
Transbaikal Front
12 Air Army Marshal S. A. Khudyakov
245 IAD Col. G. P. Pleshchenko
781 IAP Yak-9 940 IAP Yak-9
246 IAD
70 IAP 551 IAP 718 IAP
248 ShAD Col. I. B. Savel'ev
64 ShAP Il-10 967 ShAP Il-2M 291 ShAP Il-10 51 IAP Il-10?
316 ShAD Col. A. A. Erokhin
(2 ShAPs & 1 IAP)
30 BAD
396 AP-O/N B-25C
247 BAD
56, 541 BAP
23 TBAE TB-3
12 RAP
40 KRAE
41 KRAE


Coastal Group of Forces
9 Air Army Col. Gen. I. M. Sokolov
32 IAD
249 IAD
250 IAD
251 ShAD
252 ShAD Lt. Col. V. Kh. Makarov
34 BAD Col. K. A. Mikhailov
6 RAP
464 KRAP
281 TRAP



Far Eastern Front
18 IAK 296 IAD
777 IAP
96 ShAD Col. I. A. Kochergin
75 ShAP Maj. S. A. Chernykh
140 DRAE
28 KAE
19 BAK Gen. N. A. Volkov
33 BAD
55 BAD
442 DBAP Il-4
443 DBAP IL-4
128 SAD Lt. Col. M. A. Eryomin
888 IAP I-16 410 ShAP Il-2 903 BAP SB-2, PV-1, A-20
255 SAD
19 OIAE
799 RAP
10 Air Amy Col. Gen. P. F. Zhigarev
29 IAD
554 IAP Yak-9, Yak-3
254 IAD Lt. Col. N. A. Silaev
300 IAP Yak-9T
528 OIAP
253 ShAD Lt. Col. K. T. Tsedrik
83 BAD
7 RAP
411 KRAP
344 TRAP



Anti Aircraft Defense
Transbaikal Army PVO
297 IAD-PVO
401 IAP LA-5 938 IAP Yak-7B 939 IAP
Amur Army PVO
149 IAD-PVO
3 IAP LA-5 18 IAP Yak 60 IAP 400 IAP
Coastal Army PVO
147 IAD-PVO
34 IAP Yak-9 404 IAP Yak-9 429 IAP Yak 564 IAP LaGG-3?


August 1, 1945
Transbaikal Front
115, 116, 131, 132, 133 RAE
40, 41 KAE
12 Air Army Marshal S. A. Khudyakov
190 IAD Col. V.V. Fokin
17 IAP P-63A 821 IAP P-63A (only 2 regiments)
245 IAD Col. G. P. Pleshchenko
781 IAP P-63A 940 IAP P-63A
246 IAD
70 IAP 551 IAP 718 IAP
248 ShAD Col. I. B. Savel'ev
64 ShAP Il-10 967 ShAP Il-2M 291 ShAP Il-10 51 IAP Il-10?
316 ShAD Col. A. A. Erokhin
(2 ShAPs & 1 IAP)
6 BAK Maj. Gen. I. P. Skok
326 BAD Tu-2 ? Col. V. S. Lebedev
334 BAD
12, 132, 454 BAP Tu-2
7 BAK Lt. Gen. V. A. Ushakov
113 DBAD
815, 836, 855 DBAP Il-4
179 BAD


30 BAD
396 AP-O/N B-25C
54 BAD (DBA) Maj. Gen. V. A. Shchyolkin
29 Gv BAP Li-2 117 Gv BAP Li-2 340 BAP Il-4
247 BAD
56 BAP
541 OBAP
23 TBAE TB-3
12 RAP
21 Gv TRAD Maj. Gen. I. M. Gorskii
49 Gv, 50 Gv, 51 Gv TRAP Li-2
O/N OAPS
1010 Peregon. AP



Coastal Group of Forces
9 Air Army Col. Gen. I. M. Sokolov
32 IAD
249 IAD
250 IAD
251 ShAD
252 ShAD Lt. Col. V. Kh. Makarov
19 BAK Gen. N. A. Volkov
33 BAD
55 BAD
34 BAD Col. K. A. Mikhailov
6 RAP
799 RAP
464 KRAP
281 TRAP
81 SANAP
121 OAPS



Far Eastern Front
10 Air Amy Col. Gen. P. F. Zhigarev
18 IAK
296 IAD
777 IAP
96 ShAD Col. I. A. Kochergin
75 ShAP Maj. S. A. Chernykh
140 DRAE
28 KAE
128 SAD Lt. Col. M. A. Eryomin
888 IAP P-63A 410 ShAP P-63A 903 BAP SB-2, PV-1, A-20
255 SAD
29 IAD
554 IAP Yak9, Yak-3
254 IAD Lt. Col. N. A. Silaev
300 IAP Yak-9T
253 ShAD Lt. Col. K. T. Tsedrik
83 BAD
7 RAP
411 KRAP
344 TRAP


Anti Aircraft Defense
Transbaikal Army PVO
297 IAD-PVO
401 IAP LA-5 938 IAP Yak-7B 939 IAP
Amur Army PVO
149 IAD-PVO
3 IAP LA-5 18 IAP Yak 60 IAP 400 IAP
Coastal Army PVO
147 IAD-PVO
34 IAP Yak-9 404 IAP Yak-9 429 IAP Yak 564 IAP LaGG-3?


September 1, 1945
Transbaikal Front
115, 116, 131, 132, 133 RAE
40, 41 KAE
6 Guards Tank Army
132 Gv RAE
276 Gv OAPS
12 Air Army Marshal S. A. Khudyakov
190 IAD Col. V.V. Fokin
17 IAP P-63A 821 IAP P-63A (only 2 regiments)
245 IAD Col. G. P. Pleshchenko
781 IAP P-63A 940 IAP P-63A
246 IAD
70 IAP 551 IAP 718 IAP
248 ShAD Col. I. B. Savel'ev
64 ShAP Il-10 967 ShAP Il-2M 291 ShAP Il-10 51 IAP Il-10?
316 ShAD Col. A. A. Erokhin
(2 ShAPs & 1 IAP)
6 BAK Maj. Gen. I. P. Skok
326 BAD Tu-2 ? Col. V. S. Lebedev
334 BAD
12, 132, 454 BAP Tu-2
7 BAK Lt. Gen. V. A. Ushakov
113 DBAD
815, 836, 855 DBAP Il-4
179 BAD

30 BAD
396 AP-O/N B-25C
54 BAD (DBA) Maj. Gen. V. A. Shchyolkin
29 Gv BAP Li-2 117 Gv BAP Li-2 340 BAP Il-4
247 BAD
56 BAP
541 OBAP
23 TBAE TB-3
12 RAP
1 KRAP
7 KRAP
21 Gv TRAD Maj. Gen. I. M. Gorskii
49 Gv, 50 Gv, 51 Gv TRAP Li-2
259 OAPS
262 OAPS
1 SANAP
1010 Peregon. AP


1 Far Eastern Front
9 Air Army Col. Gen. I. M. Sokolov
32 IAD
249 IAD
250 IAD
251 ShAD
252 ShAD Lt. Col. V. Kh. Makarov
19 BAK Gen. N. A. Volkov
33 BAD
55 BAD
34 BAD Col. K. A. Mikhailov
6 RAP
799 RAP
464 KRAP
281 TRAP
81 SANAP
121 OAPS


2 Far Eastern Front
87 SANAP
256 OAPS
10 Air Amy Col. Gen. P. F. Zhigarev
18 IAK
296 IAD
777 IAP
96 ShAD Col. I. A. Kochergin
75 ShAP Maj. S. A. Chernykh
140 DRAE
28 KAE
128 SAD Lt. Col. M. A. Eryomin
888 IAP P-63A 410 ShAP P-63A 903 BAP SB-2, PV-1, A-20
255 SAD
29 IAD
554 IAP Yak9, Yak-3
254 IAD Lt. Col. N. A. Silaev
300 IAP Yak-9T
253 ShAD Lt. Col. K. T. Tsedrik
83 BAD
7 RAP
411 KRAP
344 TRAP



Anti Aircraft Defense
Transbaikal Army PVO
297 IAD-PVO
401 IAP LA-5 938 IAP Yak-7B 939 IAP
Amur Army PVO
149 IAD-PVO
3 IAP LA-5 18 IAP Yak 60 IAP 400 IAP
Coastal Army PVO
147 IAD-PVO
34 IAP Yak-9 404 IAP Yak-9 429 IAP Yak 564 IAP LaGG-3?


Pacific Ocean Fleet Air Flotilla

VVS-STOF Maj. Gen. G. G. Dzyuba
15 SAD-TOF Col. M. P. Mikhailov
17 BAP
16 SAD-STOF Col. K. D. Denisov
31 IAP LaGG-3, P-39 Maj.A. N. Gorobunov
60 ShAP Il-2M3 Lt. Col. K. N. Lunin
41 OIAP-STOF LaGG-3
42 OIAP-STOF Yak-9 Maj. B. A. Novikov
58 OIAP-STOF Maj. M. F. Samozvantsev
59 OIAP-STOF Yak-9 Lt. Col. D. E. Nikhamin
56 OShAP-STOF Il-2m3, Il-10 Maj. V. I. Nikolaev
48 ODRAP-STOF MBR-2, PBY-6A



VVS-TOF Lt. Gen. P. N. Lemeshko
7 IAD-TOF Col. I. G. Romanenko
6 IAP (22 Gv IAP 9/26/45) P-63A
17 IAP La-7
61 IAP (21 Gv IAP 9/26/45) Yak-9 Maj. P. N. Korostelev
12 ShAD-TOF Lt. Col. M. V. Bartashov
26 ShAP (26 Gv ShAP 8/26/45) Il-10 Maj. A. M. Nikolaev
37 ShAP (37 Gv ShAP 8/22/45) Il-2m3 Maj. M. N. Barbashinov
14 IAP Yak-9
38 IAP Yak-9
10 PBAD-TOF Lt. Col. S. A. Kovalenko
33 PBAP Pe-2
34 BBAP (34 Gv BAP 8/26/45) SB, Pe-2 Capt. N. I. Druzdev
19 IAP ( ? Gv 8/26/45) Yak-9
2 MTAD-TOF Maj. Gen.P. I. Suchkov
4 MTAP DB-3, Il-4 Maj. N. M. Chernyaev
49 MTAP Il-4, A-20G/H
52 MTAP (52 Gv MTAP 8/28/45) DB-3 Lt. Col. M. I. Burkin
16 IAP-TOF Yak-9
27 IAP-TOF P-39 (transferred from Northern Fleet)
39 IAP-TOF
43 IAP-TOF P-39 (Transferred from Black Sea Fleet)
45 IAP-TOF
36 MTAP-TOF Il-4, A-20G (transferred from Northern Fleet)
55 OPBAP-TOF Pe-2 Maj. F. N. Radus
16 RAP-TOF PBN-1, PBY-6A
50 MRAP-TOF (50 Gv MRAP 8/26/45) Maj. I. V. Sidin
(12 A-20, 10 DB-3, 6 Tu-2R, 1 Pe-2, 1 B-25, 15 Yak-9)
115 MRAP-TOF MBR-2
117 RAP-TOF MBR-2 Lt. Col. N. A. Belyaev
57 MRAE-TOF
63 MRAE-TOF MBR-2VU
76 MRAE-TOF
68 OAO-Amur Flotilla
2 OMBAP-PV-TOF MBR-2

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Ilyushin Il-4

Designation / Design Bureau Ilyushin Il-4 ( TsKB-26, TsKB-30, DB-3, DB-3F)
Type Four crew bomber and torpedo bomber
Engine Two 1,100 hp ( 821 kW) M-88B radial pistons
Maximum Speed 255 mph ( 411 km/h) at 15,500 ft ( 4725 m)
Climb Rate 886 ft ( 270 m) per minute
Ceiling 32,810 ft ( 10000 m)
Range (with bomb load) 1,616 miles ( 2600 km)
Wingspan 70 ft, 4ผ in ( 21.44 m)
Length 48 ft, 6ฝ in ( 14.80 m)
Height 13 ft, 5ฝ in ( 4.10 m)
Wing Area 718.0 sq ft ( 66.7m2)
Empty Weight 13,228 lb ( 6000 kg)
Maximum Take-off Weight 22,046 lb ( 10000 kg)
Armament ( Defensive) 12.7 mm ( 0.5 in) UBT machine guns
Weapons 2,205 lb (1000 kg) of bombs or three 1,102 lb (500 kg) torpedoes

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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 7/21/2005 3:40:02 AM   
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http://www.niehorster.orbat.com/012_ussr/45-08-08/_fec.html

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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 7/21/2005 5:36:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was mistaken about torpedo numbers in 1941. Pacific Fleet had 1068 torpedoes.

This is a good resource for aircrafts' art. it's in russian, but where available copyright owners are specified.

http://wp.scn.ru/ru/ww2/b/374/1/0

Everythere I look bomb load of Il-4 is 1000 kg (2000kg overload, when part of the fuel was not carried). it means that only 1 type 45-36-AN torpedo (946 kg)could be carried.

This site http://www.pt-boats.net/PT_web/pages/il-4.htm
mentiones that "some highly experienced pilots carried 2 torpedoes".

All russian sources list defensive armament as 7.62 Shkas in the front (navigator-bombardier), 12.7 UBT in top turret manned by radioman, and ventral retractable 7.62 Shkas aimed through periscope and manned by the same radioman (sometimes 4th crewman was carried).

max speed 430 km/h
climb rate 1140 m/min this info is for the latest used engine M-88b. Most likely this variant was used against Japan.

Edit: only one source claims 1140 m/min, all others quote 264-270 m/min.






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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 7/21/2005 6:25:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		1st Tu-2s able to carry torpedo was tested in feb-march 1945. Wasn't accepted for production. 2nd variant was tested on Aug 2, 1946 and accepted for production. Was able to carry 2-3 torpedoes.

http://base13.glasnet.ru/text/shavrov2/2-06.htm
In russian again. I'm using babel-fish translator.

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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 7/22/2005 3:15:22 AM   
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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 7/23/2005 12:09:25 AM   
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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 7/23/2005 12:44:20 AM   
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Type 7 destroyers had centerline torpedo banks.


I know. I’m not trying to represent armament as accurately as possible, the goal is combat value.

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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 7/23/2005 12:45:17 AM   
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And what with CL's Kaganovich and Kalinin? They were there also.


Kalinin will be added. Kaganovich was commisioned in 1946


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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 7/23/2005 2:00:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Both my (Polish) sources states that they both were comissioned in 1944. But maybe commisioning one of them was only official and was not war-ready?
[edit: from http://web.ukonline.co.uk/aj.cashmore/russia/cruisers/maximgorky/index.html - Kalinin comm. 12 Dec 42, Kaganovich comm. 6 Dec 44]


Also what was with Shch-103 - it was not in operational condition? I have only listing of ships so you probably had better sources.

Also I think that tehre should be a difference between L class submarines of XI and XIII series - L13 till L19 should have 8 torpedo tubes instead of 6 and possibly higher speed 18/9...

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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 8/6/2005 2:13:09 AM   
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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 8/7/2005 5:23:59 AM   
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Wow..that is one ugly ass plane. How do you guys remember all this stuff?

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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 10/14/2005 12:15:39 AM   
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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 10/14/2005 9:56:38 PM   
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Of interest?

http://www.history-on-cdrom.com/id111.htm

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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 12/26/2005 8:28:43 PM   
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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 12/26/2005 10:42:34 PM   
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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 12/31/2005 3:32:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok... I've found that Shch-103 was lost in 1935... so not include it please... sorry for problems.
Shch-138 was lost by explosion of its own torpedo in 1942. But it still should be added in 1941 scenario.

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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 12/31/2005 4:04:34 PM   
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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 1/4/2006 1:05:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have created the following classes for the Soviet Pacific Fleet, in all cases based at Vladivostok:

Kirov CA: 2 ships (Kalinin in Dec 42, Kaganovich in Dec 44)
Leningrad DL: 2 ships (Tibilsi and Baku - one starts)
Gavriil (Old) DD: 2 ships (both start)
Gnevnyi DD: 7 ships (4 start)
Ognyevoi DD: 1 ship (1 arrives in 1945)
Stalinets SS: 1 ship (starts)
Leninet SS: 13 ships (most start)
Shchuka SSC: 4 ships (not enough slots for more than 30)
Malutka SSC: 4 ships (not enough slots for more than 30)
US Admirable class MS: 4 ships (not enough slots for more than 20)
US SC type Subchaser: 4 ships (not enough slots for 12)
G5 MTB: 4 boats (not enough slots for more than 100).

RHS will increase numbers, but I could not kill slots in CHS to do this.
Art is available and will associate with these classes. If you want the ships, advise. You need one new device: 181mm guns for Kirov.

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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 1/4/2006 3:36:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		1) Tell us again what is the Stalinets class SS? Stalinets was a 2nd vessel of the L class!!! {EDIT: I see now that it's from Uboat.Net - but it's completely wrong!!!)
2) Kirov had 180mm guns
3) I think that in OoB at first should be added the biggest ships: CL, DD and SS - these are most importatnt ones. And put the real ones, not the never_were_theres like Ognevoy which was Black Sea ship.

I see you used 48 slots. So:
2 CL (arrives during the war)
2 DDL (one of them went west in 1942/1943 but still should be in OoB)
14 DD (two of them went west in 1942/1943 but still should be in OoB)
13 L-type SS (two of them went to Northern Fleet in 1942/1943 but still should be in OoB)
7 S-type SS (four of them went to Northern Fleet in 1942/1943 but still should be in OoB)
the rest should be 10 of 37 Shch-type SS...

These are most important ones in fleet, and I see no reason to delete good medium submarines and put instead of them coastal submarines of little use. Also better is to put into scenario destroyers which started the war here, than pack of escorts and minesweepers which arrived at the end of the war.



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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 1/4/2006 9:09:24 PM   
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1) Tell us again what is the Stalinets class SS? Stalinets was a 2nd vessel of the L class!!!


I have a professional study of the Soviet sub fleet. It has an ob for the start of the war - something like 21 June 1941 - and it lists one such vessel in the Pacific. I also have a submarine reference, and it shows Stalinets as a class - with almost identical data about the class. It is described as the best class available during the war - although it had some technical problems they were much fewer than any other Soviet class. If I remember right there were about 13 - but only one in the Pacific. It is the most important sub in the Pacific in operational terms for the Soviets. It has range, speed, and fair weapons. IF you regard a 5000 yard range torpedo as a weapon!

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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 1/4/2006 9:11:34 PM   
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2) Kirov had 180mm guns


This is often reported. It may be like Japanese ordnance - a "7 cm gun" is 72mm - etc. Rounded. See Naval Weapons of World War II. Also I have a scholarly study of all Soviet vessels from 1921 to 1937 - and Kirov dates from that period - so the gun is in the weapons chapter. It appears to be 181 mm - and that is what the naval museum in St Petersburg shows as well.

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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 1/4/2006 9:14:08 PM   
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3) I think that in OoB at first should be added the biggest ships: CL, DD and SS - these are most importatnt ones. And put the real ones, not the never_were_theres like Ognevoy which was Black Sea ship.


I completely agree. You have confused class name with ship name. Only two vessels of that class were completed - many others had laid down but the war got in the way. But one of these was in the Pacific - and I have her name (impossibly spelled but I have it anyway) - not the class name.
Also, I put in ALL POSSIBLE big ships but only token representative little ones - since there are not enough slots. I will fix that, but it was not possible for CHS - I lacked authority to kill other ships - even worthless ones.

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RE: Soviet OOB thread - 1/4/2006 9:15:18 PM   
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2 DDL (one of them went west in 1942/1943 but still should be in OoB)
14 DD (two of them went west in 1942/1943 but still should be in OoB)


I agonized over that. But in the game many ships are like that - so I thought "If the war occurs while they are around, after they appear, then the local fleet just keeps them."

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