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RE: Bath of Blood at Daily.... - 9/28/2005 3:54:55 PM   
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Hi General Hoepner,

First of all, thank you for you showing the airacraft production figures. I can see you are short on the Army planes. Humm, must take note of that in my game agianst AI.

Secondly, congrats on containing MC in Burma and Australia.. I think he is getting scared so maybe he would retire for a while and then come at you with more troops? Your 3 ring defence system is solid. He should be in a tough time for a while.

Cheers!
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RE: Bath of Blood at Daily.... - 9/28/2005 9:10:14 PM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/06/42


New problems arise on the horizont.
Today for the first time, after months of reconning, the first 4Es bombed at Night Bankok, taking of from Akyab. This is going to be a problem, cause i cannot evacuate any further south and above all i do not want to!
His heaviests however are still resting. Today was a clear day in Burma and except for those 16 liberators, none of them showed up during the day. I bet his next targets will be Bankok and Hanoi...quite sure about that. Gotta be ready and wait for him!
Now that the first attack have been repulsed in burma i'm waiting for the second one near Magwe. I must defend the 2 hexes where his troops may interrupt my railroad. I will move back to Rangoon, acting as reserve the 65th Bde and the 15th Army HQ that along with the 38th Div and the 4th Mix Rgt will form the reserves.

In China more units aremoving out of Kumming...Is he evacuating!?!?!? Anyway i'll start to bomb Kumming back to stoneagenow that the avanguard of my army is only 60 miles away.
Nanning fell today abut the pocket is not closed yet. Will move one more eng unit towards Kumming now that it's not usefull here anymore.

Now the big things.....

My Glens NE of palmyra spotted a TF composed of 2 BBs....so to say 2 big ships....Probably...if i know him, he's moving his BBs towards Brisbane from where to start a serie of naval bombardment missions in new Guinea or Lunga.
I'll keep on following that TF and will be ready to welcome him in NG

It's been a week now since he started to recon my Northern base of Paramushiro Jiima.
He's probably considering a landing in this area that is lightly defended.
These are my plans to counterattack:
One more Naval Guard unit will be moved there, along with AAs. Mines are present in number of 2250...so not bad.
I only have one DD division defending the northern sea.....but if he comes with BBs and CVs won't be enough, abviously.
At the same time i need to upgrade some of my Carriers and destroyers
So the plan is the following. 3 CVs will be moved back to Japan, along with 25 DDs, 5 CAs and 5 CLs. 3 BBs( yamato included) will follow.
If he dares to come in he'll find a nasty surprise, if he doesn't, I'll have 3 CVs upgraded without losing the controll over the south pacific, where the other Carrier division ( 3 CVs+2 CVLs+1CVE) will be ready to fight, along with 2 more BBs.

The other problem is now western Oz. He started bombing Exmouth. Probably he's training his new B-25s that didn't enter in combat yet ( so green pilots). I only have 1 SNLF at Exmouth so there's little i can do....

Java...here goes my attention now. I payed the price for another Division ( the 7th) that will be moved from Sapporto to Sasarbaja, along with the newly arrived 2nd Army HQ. The Java garrison will soon consist of 1 Div,1 Bde,2 Tank rgts and 3 Naval garrison units. If needed one more division can be disbanded from Burma ( the 38th i think).

What else?...At daily one or 2 more turns and we'll start the attack on his center!
BANZAI!!!
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Night Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,39


Allied aircraft
LB-30 Liberator x 11


Allied aircraft losses
LB-30 Liberator: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Exmouth , at 11,86


Allied aircraft
PBY Catalina x 3
Brewster 339D x 23
Hudson I x 8
B-25C Mitchell x 12


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 12

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Brewster 339D bombing at 2000 feet
7 x Brewster 339D bombing at 2000 feet
6 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
6 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Brewster 339D bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
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Ground combat at Nanning

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 11758 troops, 119 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 2355 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 32 to 1 (fort level 4)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Nanning base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
70 casualties reported


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!


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RE: Bath of Blood at Daily.... - 9/29/2005 1:57:01 AM   
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7/7/42

In China today RAF showed up again, while his liberators are hitting my AFs in Burma from Akyab.
At tsuyung 24 fighters and 17 aux are spotted.
He's trying to get back in the air in China after Burma. Gotta do something.
680 planes will attack Tsuyung AF tomorrow from different bases. 30 fighters will be on LRCAP there, while the rest of the fighters will escort the bombers. Gotta close down that damned AF before he can estabilish his hurricanes and spits there!
Forecast says rain for tomorrow in China Let's hope for a bit of luck...
The supply situation in China is dropping. 30,000 supplies are loading at Tokyo-direction HK

Tomorrow we'll attack his center at Daily...let's see if i can get something important in this theatre.

No other big news......

I need to mantain the air superiority over china if i want to conquer it....it's taking too long

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RE: Bath of Blood at Daily.... - 9/29/2005 9:13:23 AM   
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Cannot wait to see the results of the next turn....

Next few turns will be decisive both in China and at Daily.
If the weather is on my side i can close again his only operational Af in China...but i know what's waiting for me there: higly experienced british fighters...and my zeros aren't at the same level. At the moment i bet on numerical superiority, but i know it's gonna be bloody....however there's no alternative way to do that!
I must hold the skies in China for at least onother month...untill my Tonies/tojos can substitute my higly experienced Nates squadrons and i can use only for escort duties my precious zeros.
I'm also willing to see what kind of defences does he have at Kumming...75,000 men can be a lot, but it all depends on forts....

In Oz if i manage to push him back at Daily i can have a chance to trap his eastern flank. 1300 APs can be a lot or can be just enough to get a 1-1....let's see. However his advance has been stopped for the moment and he's taking back his left flank, so the main short term goal has been achieved.


The BB TF spotted yesterday N of Palmyra is today signaled as a CV TF. 3 CVs are spotted between Palmyra and Christmas Island..... I do not know if i have to believe to my glens. However I will keep my South Pacific Fleet at DEFCOM 2 and be ready to counterattack if he dares to come closer to Tarawa...but no AP/AKs TF are reported, so it's probably a raiding TF or he's transfering his CVs to Noumea. All my transports in the area between Canton Island and Tarawa have been ordered to come back to Kwalajein at full speed...just in case

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The worst day - 9/29/2005 2:36:12 PM   
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A bad day.
At Tsuyung for unknown reason i got beaten in a horrible way. 22 zeros lost against 1 hurricane and 1 spit...incredible...and my zeros are at 75 exp....
The bombers did not do their job in the right way...very depressing. the base is full operational and every single day more fighters come in....tomorrow will be my last attempt. 700 planes involved.....if tomorrow we'll not succeed in closing that base and we lose another great number of planes it will be over in China

At the same time it seems that he's evacuating from Kumming. 7 units are now at Tsuyung and only 17 at Kumming...strange.
At Chungking it's taking too long....i start to feel real bad.

At Daily my bombers didn't fly due to a coudy weather. The attack went with 0-1 and losses are 4-1 in his favour. Another defeat
I lost the hopes of encircling his units at Daily.

At Christmas island the enemy TF seems to be now composed of 2 CVs and 2 BBs plus a number of different warships( DDs,CAs etc)..... I won't engage. Not untill i understand what he wants to do. My subs will keep following it and my Emilies are allerted.

The tide has changed now.
Will be tough to defend my gains....



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RE: The worst day - 9/29/2005 7:43:18 PM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/09/42

A very important day, after the defeats of yestrday.
The weather in China was partly cloudly, but i was lucky enough to have my main bases free from any clouds.
His plans now are clear enough: he's trying to get back in China with two main means: clear an air corridor between Kumming and Tsuyung
for his supplies and troops to come in from Burma, defending Tsuyung with his experienced RAF fighters.At the same time he moved his bombers to Ledo from where he threaten my chinese bases and from where
he can bomb my units and so stop my advance.
My main goal now is to push his fighters back, having no weapons against Ledo and its bombers...

Today we've launched 2 major air offensive against Tsuyung.
The first one took of from Hanoi and was quite succesfull even if by 200 bombers i'd want some better results...


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Day Air attack on Tsuyung , at 37,31

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 69
Ki-21 Sally x 165
Ki-49 Helen x 39

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 6
Spitfire Vb x 10
P-40B Tomahawk x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 14 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane II: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
Spitfire Vb: 8 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 4 destroyed, 4 damaged


Allied ground losses:
27 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 81


The second one came from the heart of China and saw a limited number of bombers but results were slightly better in A2A
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Day Air attack on Tsuyung , at 37,31

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 23
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 7
Ki-21 Sally x 65
Ki-49 Helen x 49
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1
Ki-15 Babs x 1

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 1
Spitfire Vb x 1
P-40B Tomahawk x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 2 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane II: 1 destroyed
Spitfire Vb: 3 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 6 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 26


The A2A results are 22 vs 26 in my favour, but overall the plane losses were again on his ( 78 vs 41).
However now Tsuyung base has 40 runaway damage and his most experienced squadrons took a strong punch. Tomorrow thunderstorms are forecasted in China, so i grounded most of my bombers and gave a sweep order to my fighters.

At the same time i have to keep an eye on CAP. He's started to bomb my troops stationed at Kumming....and this means that
he'll soon be able to bomb my bases....

The only real good news of the day is that my researches in Tony model have produced a result: we're already producing them in July:-)
As soon as the first 36 tonies will be ready in the pool i'll upgrade the first sentai of Nates at Shangai ( 83 exp!!!).
In one months i should be able to deploy 150 Tonies in china, flown by experienced crews. So my zeros will be free to move back to Pi and train , while some of them will escort the bombers...but none of them will be CAPping my bases....
Finally something to fight against his 4E bombers!!!!

At Kumming he only has 15 units now....he's clearly moving everything to Tsuyung. In the next 2 weeks i'll be able to deploy at Kumming 1600/2000 APs...should be enough i hope, but i'll have to LRCAP my troops...

The battle for China is going to be really tough!!!!


In the pacific i lost contact with his supposed CVs....this ain't any good!:-(
But i can clearly see a very intense traffic around Bora Bora....one of my sub got sunk today by DD morris...Will he park his CVs at Bora Bora?
My Carriers aremoving from Truk to Tarawa...just in case... Cruise speed to save some fuel and not to get worn too early.
I haven't understood yet what his plan is here...


As i was saying, the early arrive of the Tony changes a bit the scenarios, especially in Burma and China.
Till now my zeros had to attack and defend all over the different fronts. China, Burma,Oz, Pacific.....it's not so strange that the losses have been so high.
Their experience, altough is still quite good considering the efforts they've made in the last 8 months, has dropped, while the allies have at their disposal now a lot of higly experinced crews with good planes.
Now my flexibilty will be hampered. I will be able to train back something like 4 zero daitais, while those which will remain on the front will be used for sweep and escort missions.
The main goal of the Tonies, during the next 2 months, will be patrolling the skies over the bases from where i can launch my major attacks( Hanoi,Bankok,Sian, Daily waters) and fight against the flying fortress.
The first sentais that will be upgraded are based in China and Burma. By the end of July i plan to have 3 full sentais( 36 planes each) fully operational in China. Then in August 4 more sentais will be ugraded to Tonies and few more to Tojos( 3 by the end of August).
At the moment there are 38 nates ( 80 exp) ready to be upgraded at Darwin. 24 Nates at Singapore( 83 exp). 6 complete sentais ( a total amount of 216 planes) between 78 and 83 exp in China, along with 3 Chutais ( 36 more nates) in their 80s. 72 Nates ready at Truk ( in their 80s).
So to say...314 fighters pilots higly experienced!
More 200 oscars needs to be trained...but it looks quite good( most of them are already at 60/65 exp).


In Oz everything is still. He's back with night bombing at Daily and i started to bomb his troops again. If i do not succeed in doing something decisive, i'll move back to Darwin one division and one Regiment in the next month.

At Exmouth the number of allied planes attacking the base is encreasing every day. The base has been mined yesterday and will be mined again for the upcomming days.









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RAF pushed back - 9/30/2005 8:50:27 AM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/10/42

Ok, the first short-term goal in China has been reached: Tsuyung AF has been closed. Today not a single british fighter was there to defend that precious airfield! and now the damage level is up to 80!
The real problem now is that Ledo reached level 5...so to say that now the 4Es can operate from there, from Imphal and from Akyab... He's reconning Bankok and Hanoi with a particular attention: a strong Zero CAP will be provided at Hanoi, where most of my bombers are based. Tomorrow storms are forecasted in China and Burma, i've ordered one last big effort against Tsuyung. If we won't fly tomorrow my bombers will be spread out again in many rear chinese bases and Chungking,Kumming,Lanchow and Sining will be hit again.
The first 12 Tonies are now in active service!!!:-) They're repairing at Singapore and will soon be moved at Bankok!
His heaviests today are hitting and closing all my AFs between Bankok and Rangoon....my aerial front is being pushing back with no means to fight

In Oz everything is quite...or almost. My western flank reached his retreating units 60 miles west of Daily and will be waiting for the 5th Div to come in before attacking again and pushing him back, while he keeps night bombing daily and my bombers keep hitting his troops.

The big allied TF ( now spotted 2 BBs, 3 CVs 2 CAs, 2 DDs ) is moving southwest of Christmas. My CVs are approaching Tarawa...but he doesn't seem to be looking for an engage( his DBs are all set with naval search 0...only the kingfishers are spotting my subs....)

His recon missions at Paramushiro Jiima go on. The whole area is being fortified but i'd need a lot more of time!




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Day Air attack on Tsuyung , at 37,31

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 16
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 25
Ki-21 Sally x 158
Ki-49 Helen x 117
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1
Ki-15 Babs x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 5 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
42 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 147

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Day Air attack on Luangprabang , at 34,36

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 45
LB-30 Liberator x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-II Dinah: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
LB-30 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 19
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 102

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Ground combat at Kunming

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 46903 troops, 559 guns, 12 vehicles

Defending force 40937 troops, 177 guns, 3 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
33 casualties reported


these are the numbers of Kumming.....do not know yet what kind of forts are present here...but it doesn't seem impossible to conquer it! I'll probably have 100,000 men without any big problem here....if needed one or 2 divisions can be diverted from Chungking siege ( which is taking toooooooooooo long!!!)

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RE: RAF pushed back - 10/1/2005 11:31:06 AM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/12/42

He started night bombing my AF in China from Ledo....it's depressing to lose each night 15 planes without even the chance of doing anything about that....
Chungking AF is operative again:-( Tomorrow we'll try to close it down, but my Bombers desperately need some rest and my zeros are still called to CAP and i have not ebough of them for escort duties....it's horrible!
Now we produce 280 Tonies each month!...tomorrow the first sentai( 36 will be upgraded), while the first chutai is still repairing at Singapore.
At Kumming i'm still waiting for some more troops to come, before trying any attack, while at Chungking my troops are still struggling to get there...
Some pockets are being closed but it's always a damned long work to destroy those bastard encircled chinese units!

In oz it's a strange war of position...while he keeps bombing Daily at Night...some maps to follow

2 CVs are ready to be upgraded at Osaka.



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Night Air attack on Daly Waters , at 35,90

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 22
LB-30 Liberator x 6
B-24D Liberator x 35

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 3 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 1 damaged

Runway hits 10

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Night Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,34

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 4 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Ground combat at 45,34

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 24381 troops, 236 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 9318 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 18 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
162 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
447 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

First pocket west of Ichang--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Ground combat at 36,90

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 61040 troops, 774 guns, 19 vehicles

Defending force 40414 troops, 258 guns, 90 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
268 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Vehicles lost 3

eastern flank of Daily
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Ground combat at 38,38

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 7658 troops, 89 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 3353 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 9 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
41 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported

One of the pockets of Nanning


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Sunday summary - 10/2/2005 11:17:04 AM   
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Ok reader, first two after action reports, then we'll be commenting the general strategy and we'll be studying in details the different theatres, with maps,screenshots etc.



AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/13-14/42

The yanks are growing stronger each day. Now he has placed fortress and liberators both at Akyab and Ledo and started to night bomb my Airfields in Indochina and deep China. And you all know what does this mean, right? 20/25 planes destroyed on the ground each night and the inpossibility of any fighting back....

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Night Air attack on Daly Waters , at 35,90

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 38
LB-30 Liberator x 37
B-24D Liberator x 51

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed
A6M3 Zero: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 4 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 19


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Night Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,39

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
LB-30 Liberator x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
LB-30 Liberator: 1 damaged

Runway hits 3


A good daylight raid over Kweiyang found my 35 zeros that should be on CAP completely unprepared...my pilots were probably sleeping...

Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 5
B-17E Fortress x 94

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 10 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
142 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Airbase hits 25
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 55

This AF is now almost closed, however Tonies are almost ready to come into action and in one/two weeks i'll be able to substitute my zeros in China with better planes

The reponse of the IJAAF was not that bad: two big raids over Chungking:


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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 85
Ki-49 Helen x 17
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 11 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
166 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 14
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 66
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 23
Ki-21 Sally x 131
Ki-49 Helen x 69
Ki-46-II Dinah x 2
Ki-15 Babs x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 5 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 4 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
200 casualties reported
Guns lost 7

Airbase hits 25
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 163


Some 4 zeros on LRCAP over Chungking managed to shoot down 5 dakotas...i must keep his main bases in China covered with some LRCAP...as soon as enough tonies will be comming into the front positions, some zeros daitais will be used for this purpose

His wellingtons keep on pounding Mouleim, while his fighters keep on training in northern Burma.

Troops are flowing towards Kumming, which is lightly defended. I'll organize in the next days some more bombing raids, as soon as some tonies will be guarding my bases while the zeros will be escorting.

Now finally the 2 pockets near Nanning are closed. Only 2 chinese corps, in a real bad shape, manage to fight their way through my net and are now struggling on the trails that go towards Kumming. 65,000 chinese are doomed west of Nanning.
In the pocket west of Ichang, the yellows are prooving to be fierce and good fighters, but their fate is however already written. 20,000 of them will be,sooner or later, taken as Pows!

Ground combat at 45,34

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 23878 troops, 225 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 8090 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 44 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
142 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Allied ground losses:
2990 casualties reported

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Ground combat at 39,37

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 10350 troops, 95 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 26650 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
257 casualties reported
Guns lost 7

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported

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Ground combat at 38,38

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 7579 troops, 88 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 3249 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 46 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Allied ground losses:
48 casualties reported












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Sub attack at 115,104

Japanese Ships
SS I-7

Allied Ships
AK Alhena, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AVD Casco


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Ground combat at 39,36

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2887 troops, 15 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 3732 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 8 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at Ichang

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 94440 troops, 1094 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 122015 troops, 91 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Kunming

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 46952 troops, 562 guns, 11 vehicles

Defending force 40500 troops, 175 guns, 2 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
72 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 108808 troops, 1279 guns, 19 vehicles

Defending force 124644 troops, 671 guns, 53 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
108 casualties reported


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Ground combat at 45,34

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 24169 troops, 232 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 8506 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 37 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
191 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Allied ground losses:
1250 casualties reported






In Burma my i keep rotating my units in and out Rangoon, to recover from the malaria and the costant british bombings.
Still waiting for his second attack to come in near Magwe.

The first Tony Chutai arrived at Bankok. 83 exp.!

In Oz we manage to arrive with 750 APs on his left flank. He has there now 1 Aus Div and one Cav bde. I wanted to attack the last turn, but i decided not to be hurry, cause my guys had the fatigue on their 50s and the distr. on the 30s....was a good decision, cause today 150 allied 4Es bombers came in and destroyed th 4th Mix Bde!...my bombers from Darwin gave our payback, killing more than 300 men of the 4th Australian Division. Tomorrow we'll attack and there will be 50 zeros on CAP over my guys and 150 bombers supporting their effort! The idea i to keep his center and his right side pinned down with costant land bombardments, while the western flank advance and manaces his back door!

His operations against Exmouth are getting stronger each day. Now B-25s and some 50 ducth fighters keep on attacking my base every day.

At Paramushiro Jiima 36 Tonies arrived to cover the skies here in th upper north. He keeps on reconning my bases with his catalinas from Attu, which is already level 6 AF....that means that he will be probably use some 4Es here too....
But he could always go for an invasion.....i'll keep 3 subs with glens south of Attu and 4 of my CVs ready at Tokyo to intercept!


What else? well, the first part of the 2nd army is unloading at Sosarbaja. 1 Division,1 Bde, 2 Arty units, 2 eng rgt and one more division yet to come from Burma ( as soon as i can master to replace it with something else).

My main fleet is upgrading. 100 DDs have already upgraded and 3 CVs have now their AA upgraded




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RE: Sunday summary - 10/2/2005 12:22:33 PM   
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Our brave men manage to push back again the aussies!!!! His left flank is crumbling and keep on losing positions!
Now he will be forced to strenghten ( sp?!) the hex S-W of Daily which is now held only by the 3rd Tank Bde...He's risking, and he knows it. If he calls back some of his units from the center or the right side, i will attack!
The plan is always the same. Keep his center or his right flank pinned down with costant bombardments and advance on the western flank, so to close a pocket! If he doesn't want to risk that, he will be forced to move back his units...but he will need a perfect timing and i will be ready to attack and isolate any unit that won't be on time

In China today he bombed with his B-17s my 51st divsion which is busy bombing Kumming( seems that he's calling back some units from Tsuyung).
I made another raid over Chungking, while tomorrow the bulk of my bombers will help my troops getting over the Nanning Pockets that are prooving to be quite hard to eliminate!

More nates are being converted to Tonies. 12 more are ready at Singapore(78 exp)

He's bombing Mouleim's resources....no way to defend them

Minelaying operations are on going on at Kwalajein,Tarawa,Baker,Canton,Bouganville,Rabaul,PM,Lae,Gili Gili, the solomons, Saipan and the Mariannas, Paramushiro Jima and Java.



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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 5
Ki-21 Sally x 86
Ki-49 Helen x 16
Ki-15 Babs x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 7 damaged


Allied ground losses:
102 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 87

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Day Air attack on Moulmein , at 30,34

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 86
LB-30 Liberator x 48

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 4 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
254 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Resources hits 26
Airbase hits 17
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 90

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Day Air attack on 51st Division, at 38,32


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 51


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
294 casualties reported
Guns lost 8


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Ground combat at 45,34

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 23543 troops, 217 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 5810 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 76 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
46 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
6540 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

some 6500 brand new chinese Pows
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Ground combat at 34,90

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 39679 troops, 416 guns, 6 vehicles

Defending force 8948 troops, 61 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 33 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
368 casualties reported
Guns lost 9
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
307 casualties reported
Guns lost 6


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

These aussies must be in a real bad shape after 120 miles of costant retreats.....

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Ground combat at Daly Waters

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 64663 troops, 634 guns, 10 vehicles

Defending force 49165 troops, 411 guns, 17 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
99 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Pinning down his center
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Ground combat at 36,90

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 61511 troops, 791 guns, 19 vehicles

Defending force 39616 troops, 249 guns, 80 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
154 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 4

Pinning down his right flank

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In the screenshot you can see my troops/res situations.
I've used so many IJA squads and armaments....8 months of costant fightings have run dry my pools....




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nothing new - 10/2/2005 1:58:28 PM   
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I feel less confortable now in China. I cannot keep all his remaining AF shut and the experience had with the spits last month at Tsuyung was not the best one. Gotta try to mass my bombers again!

The pocket west of Ichang has been finally eliminated! One more division free to get into Chungking

In Oz we're advancing....no news today.

My combined fleet keep on upgrading, while the Tonies are slowing getting into their assigned positions.

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Ground combat at 45,34

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 23526 troops, 216 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 1894 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 375 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
6473 casualties reported
Guns lost 2







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Bombers fly again in China - 10/3/2005 1:02:19 AM   
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The new strategic bombing campaign in China has officially started. Every effort will be made to keep the RAF out of china, keeping his AFs shut down and substituting( sp?) the zeros with the tonies.
Today we hit Kumming,Tsuyung,Sining,Lanchow,Changsha,Ichang and Chungking. 400 bombers are involved in this new summer campaign and 230 fighters.
If Burma is lost i won't do the same mistake in China nor in Australia.
The kumming assault will begin within 2 weeks.
Tomorrow 36 more tonies will be brought to China.

At Daily we're pushing on. He keeps bombing at night, so the skies are free for my 200 bombers and 200 fighters during the day. His units are suffering a lot of casualities both from air and land bombings.

My CVs are almost ready. Only the Zuikaku still needs some more R&R.

Today the Sonias DB have officially ended their production.

Japan hasn't lost the war. Not yet however!

BANZAI

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Night Air attack on Daly Waters , at 35,90

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 23
LB-30 Liberator x 6
B-24D Liberator x 35

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 6

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Day Air attack on Changsha , at 45,37

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 25
B5N Kate x 7
C5M Babs x 4
Ki-30 Ann x 27
Ki-21 Sally x 11
Ki-46-II Dinah x 4
Ki-15 Babs x 4

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 49

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Day Air attack on Kunming , at 38,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 11

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Day Air attack on Tsuyung , at 37,31

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 17
Ki-46-II Dinah x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 5

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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2
Ki-21 Sally x 54
Ki-49 Helen x 34
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1
Ki-15 Babs x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 8 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 5 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 damaged
Ki-15 Babs: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
232 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 87

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Day Air attack on Ichang , at 47,34

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 70
Ki-15 Babs x 1

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 17

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Day Air attack on Sining , at 45,23

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 53
Ki-21 Sally x 76
Ki-48 Lily x 30
Ki-15 Babs x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
45 casualties reported

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 76

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Day Air attack on Lanchow , at 46,25

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 12

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 3


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Day Air attack on 3rd Australian Division, at 35,90

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 39
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
108 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 25th US Division, at 35,90

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 20
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
88 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1

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Day Air attack on 6th Australian Division, at 36,90

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 71
G4M1 Betty x 39
Ki-46-II Dinah x 2

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
154 casualties reported
Guns lost 3



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Ground combat at 39,37

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 9130 troops, 64 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 25766 troops, 15 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
154 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Allied ground losses:
246 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Daly Waters

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65419 troops, 647 guns, 12 vehicles

Defending force 48611 troops, 404 guns, 17 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
92 casualties reported


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Ground combat at 36,90

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 61795 troops, 799 guns, 19 vehicles

Defending force 37757 troops, 202 guns, 40 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
458 casualties reported
Guns lost 7
Vehicles lost 3

East of Daily



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RE: Bombers fly again in China - 10/3/2005 8:44:36 AM   
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July is passing by too fast.
I thought this would have been the month of Tony's baptism of fire, but my numbers weren't correct.
Altough i do produce now 278 Tonies each month ( yeah, i know, probably too many) the time used to move the nates to a safe base with 20k supplies, upgrade and repair the new models , is far beyond my forecastings.
However, the new air campaign in China is keeping his AFs shut and his eng busy ( i hope). Only Lanchow is still operative. Tomorrow, if weather will be with us, we'll attack Kumming,Chungking and Lanchow with 350 bombers.
While i have to wait for two more divisions that are few days far from Kumming, there's now only one last pocket of resistance left in Southern China. 65,000 chinese troops are fighting bravely for their life, surrounded 60 miles west of Nanning by 16,000 japanese. It's takin' me so much because my bombers refuse to fly against this hex...which is quite strange and depressing.

15 upgraded DD are moving back to Truk from Osaka and 14 DDs, that need some upgrades, are going from Truk to Tokyo. This process is going very well, and i really hope to have the entire Combined fleet up to date by the end of August.

In Oz he's retreating. His 4Es keep on night bombing ( 10 planes destroyed tonight) cause i firmly defend Daily with 140 fighters during the day. He's going to have some tough times with this retreat. In one week we've caused something like 5,000 casualities among the aussies with a combo of deliberate attacks( on his left flank), ground bombardments( on his center and on his right flank), and aerial bombings( on his rearguard). Now my western flank, led by the 5th Division, is advancing southeastwards. His right flank ( 3 divs and 1 bde) seems to be weak enough by now. That one is my objective. I think he's going to retreat his center( 2 Divs+2Bdes) from Daily in order to stop my advance from the west, so his right flank will be somehow in a difficult position. As soon as i see any of his central units retreating, i'll order to attack at Daily......

The second Army is slowly forming at Sosarbaja, which will be, by the end of the July, safe enough with 1300 Assault points.

In Burma everything is quite, except for his 4Es that keep on plastering everything north of Bankok. Now at Bankok there are 24 tonies patrolling the skies, with an average exp of 80. I 'm still waiting for his 2nd UK divsion to cross the river from Akyab to Magwe....he's moving very slowly....

BTW, i'm quite sure he's planning something in the pacific. The CVs spotted last week must be going somewhere. probably he will be raiding some of my external bases like Pago Pago or Fiji. In 2 weeks my the KB will be back at Truk, fully upgraded and ready to fight.

The score is 3-1 by now. 7300 vs 22500. the auto victory is very far away and this status will keep him from risking anything in late 42....that's a pity. The only hope i have to obtain a 4-1 is in China. I need to get Chungking, in order to have those 3500 base points and i need some more points from chinese Pows....but the new air war of attrition to which he's forcing me will cause me some bad headhaches....that's sure.



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Night Air attack on Daly Waters , at 35,90

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 23
LB-30 Liberator x 55
B-24D Liberator x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 3 destroyed
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 6

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Ground combat at 39,37

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 16716 troops, 145 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 25445 troops, 13 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
296 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Allied ground losses:
306 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

The Nanning Pocket



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Ground combat at 36,90

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 61963 troops, 794 guns, 20 vehicles

Defending force 36845 troops, 177 guns, 35 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
287 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Vehicles lost 4

60 miles east of Daily Waters

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The Yanks are back in CHINA! - 10/3/2005 2:47:56 PM   
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My air strategy isn't enough efficient. I'm completely unable to close down his AFs in China.
Today i forgot to change the objective of one of my Sally Chutai and 7 of them,escorted by 9 zeros went towards Sining.
They found 40!, yes fourty, p-40Es waiting for them. They outnumbered us and dstroyed 4 sallies, but my zeros reacted and manage to shoot down 6 bastard american volounteers. A total of 6 zeros and 4 sallies were lost during this useless mission.
Now i know my fears were true: he's ready to get back into china with his Air force! My Tonies aren't ready yet and the next retaliation will be based on the zeros shoulders. Tomorrow storms are forecasted but i'll hope for a clear day. We'll try to attack and close that Damned AF before he can bring in his bombers and scrumble my plans.
I fear a b-17 attack from Ledo, so i keep some nates on CAP along with 3 tonies, that come from Shangai where the rest of the Chutai is repairing.

It's gonna be a long and bloody august in China.....

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Day Air attack on Sining , at 45,23

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
Ki-21 Sally x 7
Ki-15 Babs x 3

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 40

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 6 destroyed, 1 damaged

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Ground combat at 39,37

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 16469 troops, 136 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 24928 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 8 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
370 casualties reported
Guns lost 10

Allied ground losses:
316 casualties reported
Guns lost 3


This pocket of Nanning refuses to capitulate

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Ground combat at Daly Waters

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65946 troops, 654 guns, 12 vehicles

Defending force 48611 troops, 406 guns, 18 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
118 casualties reported


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Ground combat at 36,90

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 61973 troops, 797 guns, 18 vehicles

Defending force 36349 troops, 169 guns, 29 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
205 casualties reported
Guns lost 6
Vehicles lost 3

After weeks of intense bombardments they seem to be ready to be pushed back....

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RE: The Yanks are back in CHINA! - 10/3/2005 8:07:49 PM   
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a map that shows the actual air-war in China and Burma.




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The Yanks go back - 10/4/2005 1:16:36 AM   
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A couple of important turns.

After the starting skirmish at Sining ( 6 zeros in exchange of 6 P-40s) he moved back to India his flying tigers probably he thought it would have been easier. So we were free to bomb Sining and Lanchow in the last 2 days with 150 bombers escorted by 50 zeros.
Chungking is the next target due to the fact that the AF is open again Bad weather prevented me from doing anything in middle and southern china in the last days.
The Tonies are slowly flowing to the front. At the moment 12 at Darwin, 24 at Sian, 24 at Bankok and 36 at Paramushiro Jiima...but many more are comming.
At Daily we've been heavily bombed his right flank for weeks now and i hope we're ready to attack! Tomorrow my western flank will move to his positions SW of Daily, while the 16th Army will assault his forts East of Daily. Today we attacked his positions at Daily but as predicted we've lost. However 1500 men lost is a good price to pay to pinn him there
Let's see what we can do tomorrow there...will be a decisive day!!

At Port Blair, in the sea of Bengal, he's minesweeping....this can mean an offensive and an invasion! 3 CVs will be moving from Tokyo to Singapore, along with 3 BBs and several DDs-CAs, joining the Singapore fleet ( 1 CV,2CVLs,2 CVEs plus several more warships).
Let's see....




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TF 1065 encounters mine field at Port Blair (23,34)

Allied Ships
MSW Poole

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Day Air attack on Lanchow , at 46,25

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 62
Ki-21 Sally x 119
Ki-48 Lily x 29
Ki-49 Helen x 21
Ki-15 Babs x 5

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
133 casualties reported

Airbase hits 17
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 115

Aircraft Attacking:

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Ground combat at Daly Waters

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 63643 troops, 649 guns, 12 vehicles

Defending force 48537 troops, 409 guns, 18 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
1417 casualties reported
Guns lost 60
Vehicles lost 3

Allied ground losses:
41 casualties reported


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Ground combat at 36,90

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 62174 troops, 805 guns, 19 vehicles

Defending force 35155 troops, 140 guns, 21 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
202 casualties reported
Guns lost 3


And here you can see the balance of forces on the right flank of Daily....he has 3 divisions + 1 HQ here...but they should be in a bad shape by now...i hope





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RE: The Yanks go back - 10/4/2005 1:27:04 AM   
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but just a question...

is somebody still reading? I see very seldom any answer and very few people browsing this thread....

Am i missing something?

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RE: The Yanks go back - 10/4/2005 1:32:42 AM   
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I'm avidly following this AAR... tho i'm not usually logged in to the Matrix :)

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RE: Bath of Blood at Daily.... - 10/4/2005 1:34:37 AM   
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I read this every time it's updated

Your brilliant generalship leaves me speechless, so I don't post comments.

I will say that I am glad your not on the Japanese side in Fear and Loathing. There would be a lot more Fear if you were.

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RE: The Yanks go back - 10/4/2005 1:35:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Crimefighter

I'm avidly following this AAR... tho i'm not usually logged in to the Matrix :)


Thanks:-)

I know it sounds stupid, but sometimes you really need to hear that someone is actually reading all the efforts put into these virtual papers....

still thanks

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RE: Bath of Blood at Daily.... - 10/4/2005 1:37:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Hunter

I read this every time it's updated

Your brilliant generalship leaves me speechless, so I don't post comments.

I will say that I am glad your not on the Japanese side in Fear and Loathing. There would be a lot more Fear if you were.



..ok, thanks....stop now before i become red and embarassed like a little school-girl at her first day in a new class

Thanks really much by the way. Much appreciated, seriously

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RE: The Yanks go back - 10/4/2005 1:46:51 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

but just a question...

is somebody still reading? I see very seldom any answer and very few people browsing this thread....

Am i missing something?


I am still reading and I really want to see your Tonies in action!
Stop those damned 4E bombers!
BANZAI!!!


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Bug?...decisions to take - 10/4/2005 2:27:53 AM   
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Ok, now i'm pissed.
My Australian offensive is going fantastic. We pushed back today 3 Oz divisions and now his center is almost trapped.
Very well you'd sey, right?
No!
My opponent asks me to stop the australian offensive due to a bug that doesn't allow him to retreat towards Alice....

Months of great work thrown away....

How can i simply stop my advace and let him get back safely at Alice, after the threat he has put at Daily and after that i fist stopped his advance and then pushed him back?!!?!?!?

What should i do!?

I've wasted 4 divisions, 2 regiments, 2 army HQ, tons of fighters and bombers in this operation....do you remember what i said some weeks ago? A new Cannea Battle.....like Hannibal....now that i'm having my Cannae...he's asking me to stop-_-''

ok, better to go to sleep before i defentely lose my tense..

sorry for my rude tone.


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Night Air attack on Daly Waters , at 35,90

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 21
LB-30 Liberator x 30
B-24D Liberator x 34

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
LB-30 Liberator: 2 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5

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Ground combat at Daly Waters

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 64971 troops, 571 guns, 8 vehicles

Defending force 48507 troops, 409 guns, 18 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
71 casualties reported


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Ground combat at 36,90

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 71874 troops, 805 guns, 325 vehicles

Defending force 34914 troops, 134 guns, 22 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 13 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
1257 casualties reported
Guns lost 32
Vehicles lost 7

Allied ground losses:
935 casualties reported
Guns lost 21
Vehicles lost 3


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!





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RE: Bug?...decisions to take - 10/4/2005 4:31:06 AM   
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Hi General,

Just a word to tell you that i read you with great joy each day while eating at work.
With Admiral Laurent, PzB, ADavidB and your opponent, your are the best reasons to make me wish to buy the game if only wife and kids leave me a little more time.

As i read MC744, i won't comment too much on tactics or strategies...

Now for the bug your opponent encounter, i think it's the good time to deal with him some houserule against your frustations about carpets bombing and night bombing against maybe half og the untis trapped by the bug. The 800 planes lost at daily and units you bring there and not elsewhere count probably for the other half that he may agree to remain trapped ...

Just my two cents... hoping that this good read continue and you two continue enjoying this game.

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RE: Bug?...decisions to take - 10/4/2005 4:41:07 AM   
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I read Mc's description of what happened, and I am not certain it's a bug. It certainly could be, but maybe it is something else.

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RE: Bug?...decisions to take - 10/4/2005 8:54:46 AM   
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First of all thank you all for your partecipation.

In my opinion also it' is not a bug...at least not one like the "ghost unit". It's probably a bad feature but not a bug. I mean....this kind of feature doesn't apply only to the allies and only in this specific situation. It's a rule that goes for both of us. When he was attacking Daily i was exactly in the same situation like he's now: at risk of encirclement.
What Titi proposes seems kinda fair in a certain way. Even if it would steal from me what could have been one of the greatest victory of all time: trapping and annihilating 4 big Aus and Us units in Australia in late 42.....

However i ask myself how we will handle the future ground combats if we agree that there must be a house-rule-work-around....what will be do in China ? and what we will do in Burma when he will invade in the next months? Will i simply have to say: ok, i can't go back to ( let's say) Bankok, so stop your attacks/bombarments for few weeks and let me retreat in peace.
Do not know...really.

You know, the point probably is that this game is so long and requires so many energies, so much time to be devoted in playing and planning, that it's kind hard to accept things like that.

So what will it be a good agreement?
House rule the night-bombing thing, and let him retreat 1 division and 1 bde, leaving 1 div and one bde in my hands as a war trophy? D'u think he will accept? I doubt sincerly, and not because he's not fair enough, but just because he feels to be a victim of a bug, while i think he's a victim of he's bad understanding of a BAD game feature.

This could have been a turning point towards the 4-1....4 big allied units destroyed, with 1 HQ and 1 base force along with them...the threat over Daily and Darwin pushed back for at least 6 more months....and a great battle of encirlclement, Hannibal-worth..... it's a shame and a pity

Let's see how and if we can handle this...

if you have some more suggestion....even some explanation for this bug-feature....please, let me/us know.

Still thanks for reading,suggesting and being present during these tough moments



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RE: Bug?...decisions to take - 10/4/2005 10:10:20 AM   
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Hi GH,

My first impression is that if he can do commando raids to Darwin, then he does not believe in houserules then the game carry on with no houserules and therefore disregard to bugs or no bugs. If you are magnanimous and you let him go and if you gone on to win the game then you have won more than fair and square. Unless some umpire can advise, it is between 2 of you.
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RE: Bug?...decisions to take - 10/4/2005 3:26:03 PM   
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I just read the other side of the AAR where tabpub posted an explaination of what is happening. ADavidB also provided comments.

I don't feel completely comfortable posting thier arguements here because they involve troop dispositions and the tactical situation. I will say that they proved to me that the cause of MC's misfortune is not a bug, though it is a pretty bad design decision.

I will also point out that the bad design decision is exacerbated by the map you two are using, to the point where it is possible that the stock map is made the way it is in part to reduce the effect of the badly designed land movement system.

That said if I were in Mc's shoes I would keep going, but I am pig headed.

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RE: Bug?...decisions to take - 10/4/2005 6:09:45 PM   
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Whether it is the map or the game - problems like these ( and others ) can go either way. I seriously doubt GH invaded Oz in order to exploit any particular problem that has now manifested itself. So I don't see any reason for things to stop or be changed at this point.

I've had all sorts of things happen to me that aren't "fair" in playing this game. If I find myself playing a player that is trying to "drive panzer divisions" though the holes - I might find another player ( so far I have not had this happen to me !!! All my opponents have been more than fair - and have negotiated house rules to fix obvious holes - and these have been done in both directions ).

I don't even see a need for a house rule relative to the ground game - since again - either side can be burned by these "situations" ... I've invaded Oz and had my opponent wait until he ammased totally overwhelming force before trying to come back and he eventually pushed me out - though I was able to build up Timor much more than I would've had he been bombing me from northern Oz ...

But these guys have tried to engage with each other all over the map - straight up - with no waiting or holding back for the entire game - and sometimes - that will bite you - GH has probably lost a lot more planes on his part because of this. And now MC may lose some ground units - not to worry - plenty more on the way.

I assume GH is going for VP victory and I assume MC is ok with that. So onward - it is still far from a foregone conclusion !



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RE: Bug?...decisions to take - 10/4/2005 7:34:49 PM   
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Hi, all

Well as I read both AAR I usually do no more comments but here I think this is a game-killing situation. And I think there is a bug. Or a bad design if you want to call it like that, but certainly a very very bad simulation.

To summarize the problem: in WITP going from A to B is absolutely not the same thing than to go from B to A. And that is just completly stupid. Even if WITP is the greatest wargame I ever played on PC, the land model sucks...

Here mc is unable to move because:
1) to leave an hex with enemy unit you have to choose a friendly city as destination. If someone can give a valid explanation for that, I will be happy to hear it. An hex in friendly hands should be enough.
2) to leave an hex with no supply line you have to choose a nearby hex as destination.

In this case, both are incompatible so he can't move. Its destination hex is both in friendly hands, undisputed and has a valid supply line from Alice Springs.

Morale: in Andrew's map, Daily is immune from surrounding from Alice Springs.

General, if you had managed to surround Allied troops south of Daily, by walking or rolling faster than then, especially if Allied troops have advanced more to the W of Daily, it would have been a valid victory but in this case I agree with mc. He decides to retreat at the right time and should be allowed to (by the game).

On the other hand, as someone else said, MC is exploiting the ugly night bombing model of WITP and so scored probably more than 1000 points using it so losing some troops due to this bug may compensate it.

My advice would be to let some days pass so both of you cool down and then have a good talk about it.


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