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Need advice.... - 10/27/2005 12:13:23 AM

Bushmaster

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It's early-mid 42 and I want to attach 4 divisions from Southern area army to the Burma Army, but I don't EVER expect to have that many PP points. Are there any *significant* drawbacks to NOT changing the HQ they're attached to?

After the invasions I plan on returning two of the four divisions back to Southern area army, so maybe they won't be effected as much by not changing HQ but what about the two that'll remain. Should I convert them with priority when the points are gathered?

Considering the huge cost for changing divisions how would one EVER, strictly using the game rules, have enough force to challenge India? And what about planes? How important is it to convert them to Burma Area Army? Does not converting them decreace preformance in any way or effect the ammount of sorties, or would it only impact replacments?

One last thing, with regards to a PBEM would using a unit on a base not attached to it's HQ be considered poor etiquette?

Thanks

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RE: Need advice.... - 10/27/2005 12:26:00 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bushmaster

It's early-mid 42 and I want to attach 4 divisions from Southern area army to the Burma Army, but I don't EVER expect to have that many PP points. Are there any *significant* drawbacks to NOT changing the HQ they're attached to?

No there isnt.

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One last thing, with regards to a PBEM would using a unit on a base not attached to it's HQ be considered poor etiquette?

Thanks

Nope.

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RE: Need advice.... - 10/27/2005 12:29:39 AM

Mike Solli

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Concerning your last question, I'd say it depends on your opponent. I use PPs to move units to different locations, but that's a self imposed rule. I think if you don't spend the PPs, the Japanese player can send a huge force to Burma that otherwise wouldn't have been able to be sustained. I limit my PP spending in order to save up for those large units I plan on sending to Burma.

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RE: Need advice.... - 10/27/2005 12:48:39 AM

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Interesting issues here. I have played mainlly as japan but recently have started two games as allied. My views, for what they are worth are as follows:

1. Japan PPs I use to 'pay the political costs' of moving stuff from Manchuria to China or anywhere else as I reckon that these troops would not have bvbeen easy to relocate given commitments... however there can come a time in the game where perhaps China is more or less finished, and then it seems a shame to have to only move units out as you amasss PPs - and that takes a long time. I also feel that it is justifiable in requiring payment to 'convert' home forces to take them overseas as this would have been a very dodgy approach in real life. Other stuff I shift around as I want to, apart from anything else there is enough micromanagement to do with all the economic (zzzzz) stuff. As far as I'm aware you can shift stuff overland from China to Burma and further, its just the shipping you are not allowed to do.... but from a philosophical point of view i'd see that as being gamey.

2. The furthest I've got so far with the Allied side is just into Jan 1942. The PPs issue is a real pain, but does seem to me to apply a mechanism for the paralysis of decision making and shock that hit the allies when war broke out. Further down the line I don't know how pps affect the allies, but I think its an interesting debate.

Along with other suggestions, were it possible to enfore the need for 'proper' C&C throughout the game it would slow the pace down even more - perhaps making it more realistic, but also perhaps making it less 'fun' to play.

Just my twopennorth.....

Cheers

Roger

Interesting, in the above I'd transposed the ft in shift and the forum went and put me a load of **** in.... I wonder if anyone has ever tried to find out how many words might become ******** in a post.

BTW this is what you end up with when you've had a load of moves to make, sent them all offf and it seems like hours and hours and no replies!

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RE: Need advice.... - 10/27/2005 12:50:13 AM

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Reading my post I wish this forum has a spellchecker instead of a profanity one!

Roger

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RE: Need advice.... - 10/27/2005 1:15:31 AM

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quote:

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One last thing, with regards to a PBEM would using a unit on a base not attached to it's HQ be considered poor etiquette?

Thanks

It depends on house rules. In one of my pbems we agreed that Kwangtung units can't leave Manchuria unless converted to China Exp Force and Chineese (Allied) units can't go West of Yunan into Burma/India unless converted to SEAC.

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RE: Need advice.... - 10/27/2005 2:14:01 AM

Bushmaster

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Thanks for the imput.

Im a little disapointed with this because technically these divisions are "committed" to the SAA, but I am supreme commander and *I* make the commitments of what to where. I understand without limits everything could be stripped from certain places where they're historicly needed. Maybe PP should'nt focus so much on the actual unit but insted the significance it represents in that particular region.

My situation after taking Singapore is I want to invade Diamond harbour and Chandpur with the four divisions and support refitting there. I don't have enough PP to convert even one division. Since I can load them on transports, and there seems to be no real negative effects for not switching them over, the game allows it so i can't complain. I don't think it's abusing the system, since i am after all the supreme commander. But in other areas I'd agree it's something you should discuss with your opponent.

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RE: Need advice.... - 10/27/2005 3:07:05 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bushmaster

Thanks for the imput.

Im a little disapointed with this because technically these divisions are "committed" to the SAA, but I am supreme commander and *I* make the commitments of what to where. I understand without limits everything could be stripped from certain places where they're historicly needed. Maybe PP should'nt focus so much on the actual unit but insted the significance it represents in that particular region.

My situation after taking Singapore is I want to invade Diamond harbour and Chandpur with the four divisions and support refitting there. I don't have enough PP to convert even one division. Since I can load them on transports, and there seems to be no real negative effects for not switching them over, the game allows it so i can't complain. I don't think it's abusing the system, since i am after all the supreme commander. But in other areas I'd agree it's something you should discuss with your opponent.

Actually thats the way GGs Pacific War used to work (which was the fore-runner of this). Im surprised they changed that part of it.

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RE: Need advice.... - 10/27/2005 6:54:40 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger
Actually thats the way GGs Pacific War used to work (which was the fore-runner of this). Im surprised they changed that part of it.

That makes two of us

I really can't understand why it was changed

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