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Andy Mac -> RE: Japan starts massive ground offensive in China! (4/16/2006 4:21:27 PM)
You really ned to protect Perth I know it can get cut off but if you dont then everything on the South Coast and NZ is vulnerable and your 3 forward repair yards are vulnerable to carrier attacks. If you hold Perth you can strip infantry from South Island NZ and possibly some forces from South Aus to reinforce East Coast Its a pain but Perth is the key to South Australia and you will need those repair yards for your 10/42 upgrades. North Aus is not a huge deal for the allies to lose Perth is. Good luck Andy

aztez -> RE: Japan starts massive ground offensive in China! (4/17/2006 10:17:18 PM)
Yes, Upolulu is definately out of supply. There are an CD Unit and Base Force present along with 4 Hudson bombers which are in need of repairs. As for you suggestion... well I have few submarines enroute there at present... we will soon find out whether those supplies will help somewhat. Thanks for the tip. First off it is nice to see such experienced player as yourself reading this AAR as Andy Mac. Well, you are correct with Perth... I could send some of the Southern Oz divisions/brigades there but it judgement call. I have now around 1500 Assault Points in each of the major Southern Oz big cities. If I will send these units there than my defensive position will get nasty. He controls Noumea and he could use that base as staging area in order to launch major offensive towards Southern Oz. If I would have some supply crisis than Perth would be vital but the supply levels are excellent. (200 000 - 450 000) So I do not need bring in additional supplies to Australia. The 10/42 upgrade path is a solid suggestion. However I do bulk of my US Navy at around Pearl Harbour. This means that there is not much naval power protecting Oz. Just one big surface TF currently anchored at Brisbane. A lot of good points guys... I need to think this through [:)] Report from 4th through 11th of July 1942 Central Pacific The whole US CV Fleet have now upgraded. The biggest dilemma is what to do with submarines. I have around 50 submarines resting here and soon they will be send to sea. North Pacific [>:][>:][>:][>:] China British Spitfires took into action over Chengtu... Day Air attack on Chengtu , at 41,29 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 54 Ki-46-II Dinah x 1 Allied aircraft Spitfire Vb x 20 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses Spitfire Vb: 7 destroyed, 1 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Chengtu , at 41,29 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 54 Ki-46-II Dinah x 1 Allied aircraft Spitfire Vb x 13 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Spitfire Vb: 6 destroyed, 1 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Chengtu , at 41,29 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 49 Ki-46-II Dinah x 1 Allied aircraft Spitfire Vb x 13 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Spitfire Vb: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged This was the first battles for Spitfires. These 2 squadrons are now taking a rest before joining into action again. Australia, NZ & South Pacific This are of operations is covered in general view of things. No offensive actions here since the fall of Darwin. India & Burma The second Chindit brigade is also now heading towards Jorhat. Defensive perimeter in India is building up nicely and as planned.

ny59giants -> RE: Japan starts massive ground offensive in China! (4/18/2006 12:59:59 AM)
When it comes to Allied sub deployment, I send the large fleet boats (endurance 18,000 and above) to "try" to interdict resources/oil from reaching Japan. The S boats around the Solomons and the remainer to scout potential invasion sites and to isolate them if possible. I usually have 3 AS's based out of Perth, Brisbane, and Pearl. Plus, one/two at Midway, to help save any that cannot make Pearl safely. [;)] With the Gato class coming out in numbers, you should be able to put a hurt on some of his convoys or at least make him devote significant ASW assets to them.

Rob Brennan UK -> RE: Japan starts massive ground offensive in China! (4/18/2006 2:14:07 PM)
My 2c about the submarine use is minelaying .. if you have 50 subs .. split them into 5 groups of 10 ( similar speed +endurance) and mine places randomly and dispersed ..i.e guam, manilla , rabaul, canton, kwajelien. with 10 subs you drop a field that will last more than a few turns. MLE's are in short supply though .. size 9 ports work so maybe mine then send 20 to brisbane /aukland. for more local mining .. i get more hits with mines than torps till 10/42 when u get radar .. then u can go hunting ..

Sardaukar -> RE: Japan starts massive ground offensive in China! (4/18/2006 5:45:08 PM)
And don't forget that while US torpedoes are abysmal until start of 1943 (they do get bit better in Sept 42, IIRC, from 80% duds to 60%), you can still wage sub war. Time to time you'll get lucky with subs even with that dud rate. And other nationalities don't suffer from that (Dutch/UK boats). I'm not sure if S-class boats use correct Mk 10 torpedoes in this scenario. If they do, they don't suffer fom duds either. Sub is of no use if idling in port. Even with misses and duds it gets experience...if not sunk, that is...[:D].

Feinder -> RE: Japan starts massive ground offensive in China! (5/1/2006 3:23:15 PM)
Just a little update of my own. My mega-CV TF sent to "suppress" the Fun-n-fruity atoll chain bumbed into Erstads own mega-CV TF [sm=00000036.gif]... A a range of 5 [sm=Christo_pull_hair.gif]... My own strike didn't launch. I had my TBDs set to max of 4 so they wouldn't launch unescorted. All his bombers (including Kates), came in with bombs (so at least there's that). Oh well. (Mis)fortunes of war. Actually, I did "better" than I expected. Thank gawd for RN armored flight decks - 3 RN CVs were attacked, along with Wasp and Sara. Wasp and Sara are crippled (in really bad shape sys dmg). Float damage is likely managable, so I think they'll make it. It's gonna be a LONG trip back to San Fran for them tho, and they're going to be in the yards for a LONG time. While I'm chagrinned that I didn't get to attack his CVs (I'd have taken a 1:1 exchange), I -did- shoot down 250 of IJN's finest veterans, including 140+ Zeros. My own fighter sqdns took a beating, but I think I lost something like 110 F4Fs (was very surprised that my own fighter sqdns inflicted more on his). And when you ask, my CAP setting was a "reasonable" 50%. Dunno. We'll see how it all plays down, should be interesting. Wasp and Sara aren't sunk. But crippled to where I'd be surprised if I saw them before Fall '43. I get Essex and the mini-fleet of CVEs in about 90 - 100 days. That'll replace Wasp and Sara airgroups in the battle line. Frankly, I think his airgroups are out of action for much longer than 90 days. Sure he's got the airframes. But his pilots have been decimated. I've still got 4 USN CVs + 3 RN CVs + 2 CVLs with fully intact airgroups. I don't think I'm in -that- bad a shape. We'll see. I'd certainly rather have sunk/damaged a few of his CVs, but the situation is what it is, and it could have been worse. -F-

aztez -> RE: Japan starts massive ground offensive in China! (5/3/2006 11:05:13 PM)
Things are on the road again. I have been busy since we were moving to our new home and I had some difficulties with my new ISP. As you suggested (Rob, NyGiants,Sardaukar) I have deployed my submarine fleet to sea. The bigger submarines will be patrolling the nearer to the Japanese home islands. The smaller submarines will be deployed near Solomons, Marshalls and around Southern Pacific theatre. Ouch, Feinder. Seems that Dave got the better end of that Carrier battle. That just confirms me that I should be very careful with my CV's. I'am still thinking about trying to relocate those British CV's from India to Pearl Harbour. That would be an very risky journey but that would bolster my naval assets big time. Anyway, feels good to this game rolling again. As concerning to my other PBEM againts Hawker... well that seems to be halted. I haven't heard from him in weeks. (I know he has been busy...) I'am actually thinking about finding someone else to continue that one since 1-2 turns per month simply isn't enough. Let's see what next few days will bring concerning that game.

Rob Brennan UK -> RE: Japan starts massive ground offensive in China! (5/4/2006 2:38:08 AM)
Funnily enought Aztez i just had great success with one (yes one) US sub off SW japan .. ok didnt sink much ( one AK).. but fired off all ammo and made him move ASW assets here, while i crept home to reload .. i suppose the best maxim is be everywhere with a few subs .. I disagree with moving the brits from india to PH .. way too far .. maybe australia but not much further . else thats 2 months transit time .. and if winnie wants one back your screwed on PP's Glad you got the glitches sorted out with moving .. bigger place now with the little one i guess ? .. how is the wee thing ?

veji1 -> RE: Japan starts massive ground offensive in China! (5/4/2006 11:02:53 AM)
hi, I wouldn't say that moving the RNCVs to PAC is gamey, because all is fair in love and war, but don't you think in terms of historical flavour it is a bit odd ? I mean I could perfectly envision RNCVS protecting OZ, so going as far as the Coral Sea, but seing them in central pac, at least before the last years of war when therer possessions are not in danger anymore seems somewhat bizarre to me... Not criticizing or anything, just giving you my view...

Rob Brennan UK -> RE: Japan starts massive ground offensive in China! (5/4/2006 5:00:40 PM)
Certainly not gamey .. just a waste of time is my opinion

Feinder -> RE: Japan starts massive ground offensive in China! (5/4/2006 5:29:30 PM)
quote: I disagree with moving the brits from india to PH .. way too far .. maybe australia but not much further . else thats 2 months transit time .. and if winnie wants one back your screwed on PP's My personal take on RN & combined with USN etc. 1. You actually send Brit CVs back when Winnie asks for them?!!!! Never! -I- am the Supreme-Over-Emporer-And-Otherwise-All-Powerful-Leader of the Allies. Winnie and FDR are merely a puppet governments that I have installed. They serve at my whim. This whole Japanese excursion is simply an annoying speed bump to world domination. Seriously tho. I -NEVER- send back RN CVs. Screw the 2000 points. 2. I don't have a problem coordinating RN and USN units. Nobody checks to see if those Burma Armies are invading Oz or Pearl (even in a much less aggressive Japanese strategy). I -very- quickly was forced to adapt the mentality that a unit is a unit. HQ is irrelevent. Move it to where it NEEDs to be. Japan is -not- keeping SouthSeas LCUs in the SoPac, and those Manilla Divisions aren't just going to garrison the Phillipines. I usually keep the navies in like TFs (more or less, but a loose rule). But Erstad isn't keeping baby-KB in SRA or India. He -will- put everything into mega-KB, and your only tool vs. that your mega CV group. But to each his own. I -started- off trying to maintain command structures. But when you opponent doesn't (not criticizing, he's welcome to), you have to react accordingly. Glad your game is back on! -F-

Andy Mac -> RE: Japan starts massive ground offensive in China! (5/4/2006 6:04:12 PM)
I dont find it gamey. I will mix and match lighter units up to and including CA's in TF's I tend to keep Capital Ships seperate i.e. RN BB's not in same TF as USN BB's and the same for CV's Lets not forget that a large proportion of the RN Battleships were re fitted in US Yards and that the USN did request an RN CV for use at one point (it was refused) so it was possible they could act together (and did in ETO and MTO)

Feinder -> RE: Japan starts massive ground offensive in China! (5/4/2006 6:51:13 PM)
Are you referrying to getting Vicky on loan? I think she was requested after the loss of Wasp. Can't remember tho, it's been a while since I read about that. -F-

Rob Brennan UK -> RE: Japan starts massive ground offensive in China! (5/4/2006 6:58:43 PM)
fiender .. yup i did send back a RN CV in june in my PBEM .. I use PP's a lot and didnt want a 3 month defecit .. had he asked in nov/dec .. nope he wouldnt get em back .. but with the DEI just holding i want to get more out .. just my way of playing i guess.

Andy Mac -> RE: Japan starts massive ground offensive in China! (5/4/2006 7:39:11 PM)
Looks like I was wrong she did serve wth Saratoga !!! Refitted at Norfolk Navy Yard USA, winter 1942-43, after which she was loaned to the US Pacific Fleet until being replaced by USS Essex. Despite its massive industrial muscle, the United States still found itself short of carriers in the Pacific, the only American carrier available in the South Pacific was USS Saratoga. HMS Victorious sailed to Pearl Harbor to join USS Saratoga's Battle Group, Task Force 14. She arrived and took up duties under Task Force 14 in the the Southwest Pacific on 17th May 1943. Renamed the USS Robin, she embarked US aircraft and aircrew, and with the Saratoga swept the Soloman Islands, whilst Saratoga embarked all the strike squadrons including the Fleet Air Arm 832 Squadron Avengers. In May-June 1943, at Noumea, New Caledonia, the light cruiser USS San Diego joined USS Saratoga, and carrier HMS Victorious in support of the invasion of Munda, New Georgia, and of Bougainville. During this period Victorious operated 60 British and American Wildcat fighters for air cover. The two carriers sailed on 27th June, the carriers took up position and in the next few days put up 600 sorties against little opposition. The aircraft were reassigned to their parent carriers on 24 July, and the force reached Noumea the next day.

aztez -> RE: Japan starts massive ground offensive in China! (5/6/2006 11:43:41 PM)
Hi guys. I do appreciate the views, comments and discussion [:)] The game is turning into September 1942 and it is peaceful from China to Australia. Actually the only things happening in last two combat reports were the Japanese airforce bombing runs againts Upolulu and Sanjose (Phi). It seems he has started training his pilots experience levels in those two places. The scoreline in looking in his favour. It is actually better than 4:1 ratio so as Feinder stated Erstad is a tough and wise Japanese opponent. I will post an screenshot next time to you all so you can see the actual scoreline. Intresting debate seems to have taken place. I'am not offended at Veji1 [:)] ...actually what I have been thinking is a joint operations from British CV's and US CV's in South Pacific. Yes, I agree with you Feinder that there are limits and than again there limits. I think Dave uses his forces flexible way so basically I do not see problems for joining RN ships with US ones. [:-] ...I'am disagreement with Winston too [:-] He did actually demand 1 RN CV back sometime ago but I burned that letter so I guess he might see me as an Outlaw [:D] So, I'am not going to send any of those ships back to Britain Rob [:)].. the Wee thing [:D] ...well lets just say it has a lot of energy!!! [:D][:D][:D] ...There are still a lot of things to be done but more space is always nice. Intresting info on HMS Victorious Andy Mac. I have actually liked your blitzkrieg style of offensives that you are using agaitns PzB. I'am actually thinking of using that style of play in this one too if Dave allows me to do so. There is just one problem relocating RN CV's. He controls Northern Oz from Broome to Derby which means he has a lot of recon capabilities in his side at the moment. Also there is no sign of Japanese navy... No CV's nor BB's have been spotted. I have used Bothis utility but no luck with that one. What I will do next turn is to send few unescorted an empty AK's to South Pacific/CenPac sector in order to find out what his defensive perimeter is a like. As said thanks for the comments guys! [:)]

aztez -> Peaceful times... Intelligence screen posted... September 1942 starts (5/7/2006 9:27:46 AM)
Here is the current intelligence screenshot as promised... [image]local://upfiles/15617/A6CEA19A1D0140468258BB55BCDA9E9E.jpg[/image]

Rob Brennan UK -> RE: Peaceful times... Intelligence screen posted... September 1942 starts (5/7/2006 2:40:12 PM)
that score is darn scary !

aztez -> RE: Peaceful times... Intelligence screen posted... September 1942 starts (5/7/2006 4:58:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK that score is darn scary ! Yes it is [8\|] ...but this game has not even begun yet on my side. I have my CV fleet intact and there are quite a few divisions waiting for orders to start their invasions. I'am still wondering about the possible 1st strike target and the more I think the more I feel I need to recapture Canton Island. (He is propably expecting me to start my advance here)

Rob Brennan UK -> RE: Peaceful times... Intelligence screen posted... September 1942 starts (5/8/2006 2:34:47 AM)
Canton is imo the most valuable base in the south pacific . full stop.. just ask my recent opponents [;)].. and my older ones too ( littlejoe springs to mind ) .. i lost 4CV's re taking this place before .. and i didnt regret it after the initial angst died off [:D]

aztez -> RE: Peaceful times... Intelligence screen posted... September 1942 starts (5/8/2006 8:04:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK Canton is imo the most valuable base in the south pacific . full stop.. just ask my recent opponents [;)].. and my older ones too ( littlejoe springs to mind ) .. i lost 4CV's re taking this place before .. and i didnt regret it after the initial angst died off [:D] Let's just say that I'am somewhat obsessed with Canton Island too.... but not as obsessed as you Rob! [:D][:D][:D]

ny59giants -> RE: Peaceful times... Intelligence screen posted... September 1942 starts (5/8/2006 10:17:14 PM)
If you lose Canton, then it is long detour around to the South Pacific and to NZ/Oz from Pearl. [:(][:(] I'm only one month into both my PBEM's and am focused on building up my islands - Canton, Pago Pago, and Suva while my opponents focus on SRA/DEI. I read a few AAR's about the "East Pacific Strategy" and don't want to be another victim of it. [&o] [&o]

aztez -> RE: Peaceful times... Intelligence screen posted... September 1942 starts (5/8/2006 11:12:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants If you lose Canton, then it is long detour around to the South Pacific and to NZ/Oz from Pearl. [:(][:(] I'm only one month into both my PBEM's and am focused on building up my islands - Canton, Pago Pago, and Suva while my opponents focus on SRA/DEI. I read a few AAR's about the "East Pacific Strategy" and don't want to be another victim of it. [&o] [&o] 100% true. The "problem" with this game is that Dave captured the damn base early on and used his naval assets in such a way that I could not have interfered. Now he has 8-9 units garrisoning Canton Island and it is going to be bloody mess before I can capture it back. [8\|] Nice to hear that you got PBEM's ongoing. Your strategy sounds solid and it seems that your opponents aren't trying to interfere with your operations.

Sardaukar -> RE: Peaceful times... Intelligence screen posted... September 1942 starts (5/9/2006 2:54:44 PM)
You should be able to have some decent counter-attacks going on within couple of months. And if you can take back Noumea, point balance will be adjusted better. Trouble is to be able to deal with IJ LBA and CVs...

aztez -> RE: Peaceful times... Intelligence screen posted... September 1942 starts (5/9/2006 5:55:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sardaukar You should be able to have some decent counter-attacks going on within couple of months. And if you can take back Noumea, point balance will be adjusted better. Trouble is to be able to deal with IJ LBA and CVs... Nice to see onboard again Sardaukar. Well, there is nothing more that I like than to capture Noumea but that is too early. There are issues to be dealt with first like the Canton Island, Fiji and surrounding islands. I'am somewhat worried that KB has vanished but I think Dave might be waiting for my move and than he will hit back hard.

aztez -> Peaceful times in the Pacific (5/12/2006 12:05:18 PM)
Quick update. This game has progressed in it's usual pace but not much has happened lately. Report from 12th of July through 5th of August 1942 Central Pacific Both sides are building up their defenses. I have sent my submarines in action and hopefully they can sink few Japanese transports. I guess the biggest news is that CV Wasp is also now anchored at Pearl Harbour. North Pacific [>:][>:][>:][>:] China Either Japanese are having supply issues or he is satisfied with the current situation since no offensive moves made by the enemy. Australia, NZ & South Pacific I have a lot of troops at Christmas Island and Palmyra now. I'am very tempted to go on with invasion againts Canton Island but somehow I have an feeling that he is setting a trap for me. There are 8 units still at Canton Island. But I think his naval assets are waiting for me. (Still no sign of CV's nor BB's) If that is the case than it would be an suicide to even think of invading anything in this region yet. India & Burma Peaceful too. I have my RN CV's now at Madras and I'am thinking about relocating them soon. Dave is also using San Jose base at Philippines for training target. A lot of Zero's and other type of aircrafts have bombed the base daily. Oh well... peaceful for now but it wohn't last for long.

aztez -> RE: Peaceful times in the Pacific (5/14/2006 10:24:01 AM)
Update. Game report from 6th through 14th of August 1942 Things are getting ahead slowly. There has not been any major actions eiher on sea nor air. Japanese have continued their pilot training camp at San Jose. Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 25 B5N Kate x 7 G4M1 Betty x 8 Ki-27 Nate x 150 Ki-48 Lily x 29 No Japanese losses Runway hits 15 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 120 D3A Val x 27 G3M Nell x 16 G4M1 Betty x 33 Ki-21 Sally x 48 Ki-48 Lily x 21 Ki-49 Helen x 27 No Japanese losses Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 9 Port hits 1 Port supply hits 3 One minor success was that one of my subs managed to torpedo Japanese Tanker. Sub attack at 71,73 Japanese Ships TK San Luis Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire PG Chokai Maru PG Busho Maru PG Uji PG Oi Maru Allied Ships SS S-46 I have brough a lot supplies and troops to our forward bases. So, if Dave moves ahead with any offensives than I will be ready for him.

ny59giants -> RE: Peaceful times in the Pacific (5/14/2006 10:36:11 AM)
Since you will have to depend largely on CV for air support to re-take Canton, I would wait until after the 10/42 upgrade is complete and you have more AA on your ships. Plus, you should have a few P-38's to throw at him by then. [:D] The longer it is quite, the better off you are. [&o]

aztez -> RE: Peaceful times in the Pacific (5/14/2006 11:18:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants Since you will have to depend largely on CV for air support to re-take Canton, I would wait until after the 10/42 upgrade is complete and you have more AA on your ships. Plus, you should have a few P-38's to throw at him by then. [:D] The longer it is quite, the better off you are. [&o] I do agree on this. The upgrade 10/42 isn't too far off and it would crazy to move ahead before this has happened. As said I have an feeling that he is expecting me to make a move soon and that is the reason why it has been so peaceful. P38's would be nice allthough I'am not sure whether they can reach Canton Island from either Palmyra or Christmas Island.

Kapten Q -> RE: Peaceful times in the Pacific (5/15/2006 12:08:41 PM)
Hi aztez, I am also involved in a PBEM using 3day turn cycle. Whats your thoughts on that so far. One thing I have realized is that you can not see incoming raids from enemy TF before they actually hit. Makes you think twice before moving any shiping betwen bases in hot areas. I also think it slows down the speed of advance a bit, must say erstad moves with the speed of lightning compared to me! Q

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