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Ron Saueracker -> RE: Wanted: Certified Allied Fanboy (tm) (3/11/2006 3:08:31 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Oznoyng
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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
No, Oz is directing this at moi. No doubt about it.
You would do, so would Mdiehl, Demosthenes, and a few others. If you want to flatter yourself, yes, you were *one* of the ones to whom this was directed. Feel better now? Honestly, though, supply in the SRA is one of the lower issues on my list of "Prove it!" issues.
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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
Unfortunately, none of these individuals has yet to understand the nature of my criticsms regarding supply.
Ron, I respected your opinion on subs. I agreed somewhat. I agree with you on bombardment reloads (though not upon their effect). I agree with you on supply movement (PM to BUna example), as I have been bit by it myself. I do not agree with you on supply in the SRA. I understand your arguments, I just do not believe they have merit.
You have taken the position that you were right on one thing, so you must be right on all of them. I'm sorry, but being right a few times doesn't make you god, and doesn't make you the final authority. You say "none of these individuals has yet to understand the nature of my criticsms regarding supply". I do. I just do not believe that in the end the SRA produced supply has any significant impact upon the game. I honestly feel that you have the bit in your mouth ("I was right! I was right! now listen to me on everything else!") and aren't listening to the other side. I want you to play Japan and have to contend with supply issues in the SRA. I think that when you do, you will find out that the amount of supply shipped in greatly exceeds that which is produced there. For me, it is a question of "would it add anything to the game?" I think the answer is no.
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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
It is just as screwy for the Allies as it is for Japan. There are now enough examples out there, my AAR included, to sufficiently support this. I'm not going to start yet another game just to be bombarded by the same flawed arguements despite the weight of evidence provided.
I read your AAR into about May sometime - and I found nothing that disturbs me. I want you to play me and promise me one thing: you will record every shipment of supply into the SRA Malaya to PI to Amboina. I had to ship hundreds of thousands of supply into the area when I took it - and I really want to see you take it and bring it to full production without doing the same.
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You would do, so would Mdiehl, Demosthenes, and a few others. If you want to flatter yourself, yes, you were *one* of the ones to whom this was directed. Feel better now?
Hey Oz. [&o]I knew it was directed at me based on the earlier "Oh yeah" style thread where yourself and the same crew Nik, paul, Oleg etc kept taunting myself, Tristan and anybody else who may have had anything negative to say about the game. Did not take Magnum to figure it out.
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You have taken the position that you were right on one thing, so you must be right on all of them. I'm sorry, but being right a few times doesn't make you god, and doesn't make you the final authority. You say "none of these individuals has yet to understand the nature of my criticsms regarding supply". I do. I just do not believe that in the end the SRA produced supply has any significant impact upon the game. I honestly feel that you have the bit in your mouth ("I was right! I was right! now listen to me on everything else!") and aren't listening to the other side.
Yeah, I suppose I have been batting a thousand![:)] When your hot your hot![;)] Does not mean I'm running around with a bone in my teeth, however.
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I read your AAR into about May sometime - and I found nothing that disturbs me.
Maintaining Singapore and Manila and with supply exclusively from Borneo and Sumatra, and building up massive a mountains of supply in Java from the same non manufacturing centres, which instantly pop into anything cadres or air groups may need is OK? Guess I'm wrong and we don't need shipping for anything but invasions.
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I want you to play me and promise me one thing: you will record every shipment of supply into the SRA Malaya to PI to Amboina.
Why would another game as Japan prove that the supply model is fine when I already stated in my AAR repeatedly that NO SUPPLY FROM ANYWHERE BUT SUMATRA, CELEBES AND BORNEO was used to maintain the beseiged LCUs at Manila and Singapore and turn Java into a supply Wall Mart during the first six months? That should be good enough.
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