1.795 games moved to 1.8 pretty well shot?

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2Stepper -> 1.795 games moved to 1.8 pretty well shot? (4/29/2006 2:30:49 AM)
Hey all. Reason I ask that is a buddy of mine and I have been at it a while in a 1.795 game we started... Like anyone else, we advanced to 1.8 and frankly had an apalling result occur... Here's the combat results of an IJN attack on a USN carrier TF just 2 hexes distant. All experiences were in the 60's and 70's and full sorties were available (i.e. fully supplied) ************* Day Air attack on TF at 84,90 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 58 D3A Val x 57 B5N Kate x 72 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 83 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 42 destroyed D3A Val: 22 destroyed, 13 damaged B5N Kate: 20 destroyed, 26 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat: 29 destroyed, 7 damaged Allied Ships CV Enterprise CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 1, on fire CV Saratoga CV Hornet, Bomb hits 1 CA Vincennes, Bomb hits 1, on fire CLAA Atlanta Aircraft Attacking: 5 x B5N Kate bombing at 16000 feet 3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 x B5N Kate bombing at 5000 feet 3 x B5N Kate bombing at 5000 feet 2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 x B5N Kate bombing at 5000 feet 3 x B5N Kate bombing at 5000 feet 9 x B5N Kate bombing at 16000 feet 3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x B5N Kate bombing at 5000 feet 4 x B5N Kate bombing at 5000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 x B5N Kate bombing at 5000 feet 4 x B5N Kate bombing at 5000 feet 3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 x B5N Kate bombing at 5000 feet 4 x B5N Kate bombing at 5000 feet 4 x B5N Kate bombing at 5000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Since when did Kates elect to bomb in those instances? I've NEVER seen such a thing. I've been told time and again that the altitude you set aircraft to is irrelavent as they will change to make the appropriate attacks. Weather was not a factor... We should have wiped each other out... Here's the other part of the problem. This is his attacks just prior... Day Air attack on TF at 83,88 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 17 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 16 SBD Dauntless x 85 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat: 4 destroyed SBD Dauntless: 8 destroyed, 18 damaged Japanese Ships CV Junyo, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage CV Soryu, Bomb hits 8, on fire, heavy damage DD Akatsuki CVL Shoho, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage CVE Unyo, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage CV Hiyo, Bomb hits 3, on fire CV Hiryu, Bomb hits 1, on fire Aircraft Attacking: 1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 83,88 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 7 Allied aircraft SBD Dauntless x 17 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses SBD Dauntless: 3 damaged Japanese Ships CV Junyo, on fire, heavy damage CL Tenryu CV Hiyo, Bomb hits 1, on fire CL Kiso CVL Shoho, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- At a range of 2, his Avengers didn't even lift a finger. Truth be told, they didn't make a single naval attack all game. Just Dauntlesses? [&:] Dare I say it? "WTF, over?" None of these results really track. This is a show-stopper for us on the game and will likely have to start yet again in a 1.8 game. Still, we wanted to get some insight from other players/programmers about what could be amiss? Thanks.

jwilkerson -> RE: 1.795 games moved to 1.8 pretty well shot? (4/29/2006 3:25:20 AM)
Send save (just after USN player ends turn ... i.e. the file the USN player sent to the Japanese player prior to the combat of this turn) to MichaelM michaelm75@hotmail.com

Nikademus -> RE: 1.795 games moved to 1.8 pretty well shot? (4/29/2006 5:42:06 AM)
were your Kates set to primary and secondary missions? (1 - Naval attack 2 - either port or airfield attack) ? ? ?

2Stepper -> RE: 1.795 games moved to 1.8 pretty well shot? (4/29/2006 3:43:51 PM)
Nope. First thing I checked... And his Avengers weren't either. It was all Naval... And honestly? Even if the IJN "debacle" in this result made some form of sense, the fact that not once could he get his Avengers off the deck in the game (7 game months played) denotes a problem somewhere... Joe, as for the file, its going out to that address you mentioned with access pass in a moment.

2Stepper -> RE: 1.795 games moved to 1.8 pretty well shot? (4/29/2006 3:46:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jwilkerson Send save (just after USN player ends turn ... i.e. the file the USN player sent to the Japanese player prior to the combat of this turn) to MichaelM michaelm75@hotmail.com File sent...

aletoledo -> RE: 1.795 games moved to 1.8 pretty well shot? (4/29/2006 5:49:32 PM)
I can't say I've seen bad results yet going from 1.795 to 1.8, but I haven't had a carrier battle yet. its hard to say, but it does seem to that my kates are a bit more selective on when they attack, but that could be a number of different things. for example, perhaps the leader changes could be affecting the results more?

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