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cressy -> AG, Collier (5/5/2006 2:10:43 AM)
could someone explaine what a Collier is?

pasternakski -> RE: AG, Collier (5/5/2006 2:33:46 AM)
A superdog, as in "dobermannier," which is an enhanced version of that breed.

dtravel -> RE: AG, Collier (5/5/2006 2:34:02 AM)
Its a breed of dog. Oh, you mean in the game? There are no Colliers in the game, AG means Barge.

BLUESBOB -> RE: AG, Collier (5/5/2006 4:15:59 AM)
They carried coal for ships prior to our Navy's converting to fuel oil. Here's a link with some pics of colliers. http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/spanam/ships/colliers.htm Here's a link (from the same website) of probably the most famous collier, the U.S.S. Cyclops. The Cyclops disappeared without a trace in the area known as...cue creepy music...THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE! http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-c/cyclops.htm

tsimmonds -> RE: AG, Collier (5/5/2006 5:01:17 AM)
Except that in the game AGs are exclusively IJN. Coal barges (the early ones were anyway), converted from civillian use to military, hauling rice and ammo and sake and light infantry and such. There were several small surface actions fought in the Solomons in 1943 as a result of IJN attempts to push barge convoys through, and USN attempts to interdict such convoys. I believe the PT 109 action was one such....

m10bob -> RE: AG, Collier (5/5/2006 3:09:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pasternakski A superdog, as in "dobermannier," which is an enhanced version of that breed. Pas..........I believe you are thinking of a Rottwiellier.......related to a Chihuahuallier...........

Ol_Dog -> RE: AG, Collier (5/5/2006 8:14:54 PM)
PT 109 was not much action - they just parked, fell asleep and got run over by a destroyer

pasternakski -> RE: AG, Collier (5/5/2006 8:28:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: m10bob Pas..........I believe you are thinking of a Rottwiellier.......related to a Chihuahuallier........... [image]local://upfiles/6977/5E81B372A6C847B4B87F9E0913114E5B.jpg[/image]

pasternakski -> RE: AG, Collier (5/5/2006 8:39:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AJRuss could someone explaine what a Collier is? I'm sorry we all got so flippant in response to your perfectly good question, which is one that occurred to everyone when Uncommon Valor came out. We just haven't had any opportunity to have fun with it for a long time. I remember looking at the ship types list and wondering, "Coal scows? Why in the world are there coal scows in this game?" Apparently, nobody on the design team could figure out (a) what to call the small craft converted by the Japanese for troop and supply carrying use, or (b) a usable two-letter designation for them to put in the list of ship types. I mean, if you call 'em "barges," one of the semi-wits around here would have come up with, "Barges? We don't need no stinkin' barges" by now. Besides, Brady doesn't appear to want any more clolryrs, but he'd be clamoring for 1,000,000 more berags to fill out the "Woden fleat."

Terminus -> RE: AG, Collier (5/5/2006 9:00:02 PM)
Couldn't they have been called LCVP's? I know that wasn't a correct designator, but neither was AG.

anarchyintheuk -> RE: AG, Collier (5/5/2006 11:35:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pasternakski "Woden fleat." That was perfect. [:D]

pasternakski -> RE: AG, Collier (5/6/2006 12:52:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus Couldn't they have been called LCVP's? I know that wasn't a correct designator, but neither was AG. I could never figure out why "barge" wasn't the first and most obvious choice for describing Japanese light troop- and supply-carrying craft. Of course, I could never figure out why USN amphibious assault craft were not carried on parent APAs and AKAs, either ... (when you consider that you can create PT boats out of on-board supplies, the mystery deepens)

pasternakski -> RE: AG, Collier (5/6/2006 12:53:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: anarchyintheuk quote: ORIGINAL: pasternakski "Woden fleat." That was perfect. [:D] Thanks fer bringin' me up to "cruze spead."

m10bob -> RE: AG, Collier (5/6/2006 12:56:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pasternakski quote: ORIGINAL: AJRuss could someone explaine what a Collier is? I'm sorry we all got so flippant in response to your perfectly good question, which is one that occurred to everyone when Uncommon Valor came out. We just haven't had any opportunity to have fun with it for a long time. I remember looking at the ship types list and wondering, "Coal scows? Why in the world are there coal scows in this game?" Apparently, nobody on the design team could figure out (a) what to call the small craft converted by the Japanese for troop and supply carrying use, or (b) a usable two-letter designation for them to put in the list of ship types. I mean, if you call 'em "barges," one of the semi-wits around here would have come up with, "Barges? We don't need no stinkin' barges" by now. Besides, Brady doesn't appear to want any more clolryrs, but he'd be clamoring for 1,000,000 more berags to fill out the "Woden fleat." Yer killin' me.....stop it.........................[sm=00000280.gif][sm=bow.gif][sm=00000289.gif][sm=00000436.gif]

m10bob -> RE: AG, Collier (5/6/2006 12:57:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pasternakski quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus Couldn't they have been called LCVP's? I know that wasn't a correct designator, but neither was AG. I could never figure out why "barge" wasn't the first and most obvious choice for describing Japanese light troop- and supply-carrying craft. Of course, I could never figure out why USN amphibious assault craft were not carried on parent APAs and AKAs, either ... (when you consider that you can create PT boats out of on-board supplies, the mystery deepens) Most of the books I've read use the proper and historic term of uhhhh....."barges".[:D]

m10bob -> RE: AG, Collier (5/6/2006 12:59:29 AM)
[image]local://upfiles/6977/5E81B372A6C847B4B87F9E0913114E5B.jpg[/image] [/quote] You looked all day for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![sm=00000117.gif]

Terminus -> RE: AG, Collier (5/6/2006 1:54:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: m10bob Most of the books I've read use the proper and historic term of uhhhh....."barges".[:D] Yeah, but that's not a fancy-schmanzy acronym, is it?

Monter_Trismegistos -> RE: AG, Collier (5/6/2006 3:08:08 AM)
Surely someone who wrote WitP manual (I doubt if he ever played this game) incorrectly read AG as AC and described it as a Collier...

Terminus -> RE: AG, Collier (5/6/2006 3:35:23 AM)
Interesting... AC does mean Collier, and AG "Miscellaneous Auxiliary"...

Zorfwaddle -> RE: AG, Collier (5/6/2006 5:34:10 AM)
Probably should have been YG... Seriously, if you apply a little logic, and the rules (dont know what the WW2 equivalent is to the modern day classification system manual), it probably should be something like YFK or YFKP. George

m10bob -> RE: AG, Collier (5/6/2006 6:42:27 AM)
As if therer were any confusion, in WWII, the Japanese apparently had a whopping two(2) colliers, the Muroto and the Noshima.. Source:Japanese Warships of WWII(Ian Allen) I suspect the so-called "A.G."'s in the game are actually Daihatsu, a small landing craft general purpose short range transport of mass production, (smaller than their LST's). Yeah, they called theirs' LST's also.

m10bob -> RE: AG, Collier (5/6/2006 1:52:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus quote: ORIGINAL: m10bob Most of the books I've read use the proper and historic term of uhhhh....."barges".[:D] Yeah, but that's not a fancy-schmanzy acronym, is it? quote: "Barges? We don't need no stinkin' barges" by now. Besides, Brady doesn't appear to want any more clolryrs, but he'd be clamoring for 1,000,000 mor "Barges? We don't need no stinkin' barges" (As quoted earlier by Nostradamus Pasternakski)

Herrbear -> RE: AG, Collier (5/6/2006 8:03:07 PM)
Speaking of a Chihuahua, my daughter when she was little thought the the Chihuahua was a Hawaiian dog. The "ki hua hua" instead of "chi wow wow".

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