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wosung -> RE: Modifications to MWiF China Map portion (5/30/2006 12:53:33 PM)
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Wow, thank's!!! Your google-earthing will help a lot making a better China map. I just added some facts&thoughts.
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ORIGINAL: Incy
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ORIGINAL: wosung
Thanks for the recommendation. You should just post your feedback/suggestions, because Google earth sure will help us to make a better China map. Do they also have historical seizes for cities??
OK, here goes:
-Ningsia (and the hex south of it?) should not be desert, but clear or forest
You're right about Ningsia hex itself: 100 km along the Yellow river rice paddies. About Ningsia Province in my 1988 China: a travel survival-kit: "Part of the arid north -west of China, Ninxia is probably one of the poorest regions in the country. Winters are hard and cold, with plummeting temperatures; blistering summers make irrigation neceessity." (p.729)
"Around Yinchuan [= Ningsia town]: About 17 km west of Yinchuan is the mountain ressort of Gunzhongku (...) The highest mountain in this range, Mt. Helena is 3556 metres high." (p.733). That probably means: a (desert?) mountain hex to the nortwest of Ningsia.
-Tianshui shou have mountains to the southeast, maybe also an alpine hexide(instead of the southern alpine hexi. The city itself is possible a clear hex
Right on that mountain hex to southeast, maybe even to the southwest hex. Maybe Forest?! My map say mountains with conifers.The city itself dry cultivated with mountains (1000-1500 m.) Not sure about alpin hex question.
-ChungKing seems to have very good natural defenses from mountain ranges, byt they don't look to high. I think a mountain hexide SE of Chungking (but not to the SW)
According to my maps the hexes south of Chongqing are 500-1000m heigh, the first one to the east (50% 500-1000m, 50% 1000-1500 m), the second one to the east 1000-1500 m) Chongqing itself is about 100-200 m heigh.
-The Yangzee should run eastwards from Chungking from the northeastern corner of the hex, not the southeastern corner. The river should run straight east for two hexes (until it hits where the Yangzee runs in the current map). The tributary from the Kweiyang area should join up just one hex east of ChungKing rather than 2 hexes. The hex two hexes east of Chungking should be mountain.
Right about the rivers (if i've dig it). About the mountains: see above.
-Wuhan should be one city, on the NW side of the river. The hexes to the SE and SW of Wuhan could very well be modelled as a swamps, they have many large irregular-shaped lankes and large swaths of submerged ricefields.
Right about Wuhan. South of it there seems to be a 125 km wide net of different lakes.Either one lake, or one swamp-hex??
-The hex NE of Nanchang could also be a swamp hex.
Lake Poyang (3583 sq km, second biggest Lak in China) should probably extend to the south.
-Where to put lakes in this area is up for grabs, to put it mildly. I think lake hexides in wuhan area can be removed, except the 2 that are lake TungTing. I would add a lake on SE hexside on hex SW of Anking instead, and replace lakes with rivers
Lake Tungting (2820 sq km) should stay. Maybe transform Lake Liangtse into swamp hex (net of lakes, rice paddies)??
-Wuhan should have rivers on all sides (except posibly NW)
The city is practically surrounded with Yangtze, its tributaries and lakes.
-Two southernmost hexsides of Han Kiang can be removed, this river enters the Yangtzee in (western part of)Wuhan
But it splits before.
-The hex NW of NanChang should not have rivers on its 3 western hexides, but should probably be mountain
From NW to SW it's the river Kanchiang (Gangjiang). From NE to SE it's Lake Poyang and it's tributaries. About elevation 50% flat 50% Mufu- and Jiuli-Hills (mostly 200-500 m.)
-The two lakes NW of Nanking should bothe be moved 1 hexrow east, as should the river. Right The river should stop at the SE corner of Suchow hex.The river on the map represents the net of 3-4 lakes, mostly not wide but mostly around 100 km long connected by channels. (This would be the more lake-ier part of the Grand Channel.) ButSuchow should be to the West of it. There should also run due east all the way to the sea from this point. The railroad should remain where it is, so it should be on the western/northern side of the rivers & lakes (there's no railroad east of the river/lakes today, but there is one to the west connecting NanKing and Suchow) Railroad north of Suchow should switch to the hex row east of the river.
-there are 4 close mediumsize cities just NW of Shanghai that I think together warrant a city hex (called Changzhou or Wuxi ?) Nantong, Changshu, Wuxi, Changzhou These are today city-governement sized and administrated cities. Problem: There are literally hundreds of them today. As were in WW2. (besides Wuhsing is the only one also representated on my 1935 printed China-map, 1cm = 100miles) Where to begin?? Right now Froonps China map contains most of the provincial cities, most of the more important treaty-ports, and a few historical important minor cities.
-Hex SW of Nanking should be swamp? (lakes, heavy with canals/submerged ricefields) Right, there is a lake in it. Problem with rice-fields is: If we convert all the ricefield-heavy areas in China to swamp, man that would be a rather swampy map. On the other hand: perhaps we should do it. Imperial Japanese Army didn't hav bunches of heavy tanks.[:D]
-Macau should also be a city Agreed on that: It was the oldest European colony in China in WW2, a Portugese one. But that probably would mean additional rules. BTW it formally never was occupied by the Japanese in WW2.
-There should be a lot more broken terrain (forest or mountain) in the area west of Canton. Suiggest forest W and SW of Canton, Mountain in two hexes west of these. More forest to the north of that. Agreed on that. Practically the whole area between Canton and Nanning should either be forest or mountain, apart from the coastal hexes. The river that runs in direction of ChangSha should branch off one hex sooner (i,e it would also cover Cantons NW hexside). It shoud otherwise follow same path. Move the railroad to always run east of the river. Right.
-hexes W, WW, and W-SW of nanning Should be forest. Hex SW of Nanning should be mountain. The river that runs west of Nanning should alsa have an extension nort and cover the western side of Naning. Right. The mountain and forest hexes on the Indochina border should eb swapped. The hex east of Nanning should probably be mountain and Nanning itself probably should be forest. Or mountain
-I have trouble finding any rivers that justify most of the rivers in the Peking/Paoting/Tientsin area. There is river Sanganhe, River hai he and the Grand Channel. Perhaps short rivers east and west of Tientsin are justified. NB!! I do see 2 big dams and broad white "riverlike" features in the terrain, though. Have the rivers in the area disappeared? (agriculture, etc?)
-I think many of the mountains a bit west of peking should be desert mountains I agree with that. This could be warranted even for the north eastern part of Himalaya, some 5-600 km north west of Lanchow. BTW : The Railway Paochi(Baoji)- Lanchow was completed in 1952 (China Traval Survival Kit, p. 738-739).
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