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Cap Mandrake -> Midway to San Francisco??? (9/10/2006 4:24:36 AM)

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Cap Mandrake -> Foster Jones, RIP (9/10/2006 4:44:49 AM)

This really happend (in May '42, historically). Mr. Jones committed suicide rather than be taken alive. Mrs. Jones and the Aleuts were taken to a POW camp in Hokkaido where 1/3 died. I could be wrong, but I don't think they were treated in accordance with the Geneva Convention.





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Cap Mandrake -> Chichagof (9/10/2006 5:03:20 AM)

Well...at least it has a nice black sand beach.

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Onime No Kyo -> RE: Chichagof (9/10/2006 12:35:14 PM)

Gutsy old guy that Mr. Jones. But where did he hope to leave his wife with that course of action? [:(][&:]



tabpub -> Chichagof? (9/10/2006 1:27:11 PM)

I don't remember losing Attu...?  Did I miss something....? < rolls over and starts snoring again in sunny SF>....



Terminus -> RE: Chichagof (9/10/2006 1:33:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

Gutsy old guy that Mr. Jones. But where did he hope to leave his wife with that course of action? [:(][&:]


Exactly. Would have been more gutsy to stay alive...



Cap Mandrake -> RE: Chichagof? (9/10/2006 5:15:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tabpub

I don't remember losing Attu...? Did I miss something....? < rolls over and starts snoring again in sunny SF>....


Dood..you could get soooo fired over things like that.[:-][:'(]



Onime No Kyo -> RE: Chichagof? (9/10/2006 5:23:16 PM)

Hehe. Send him to a GULAG for "losing his vigilance in the defence if the fatherland". [:D]



Cap Mandrake -> Apologies to Gamble, Huff and Gilbert (9/10/2006 5:39:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

Gutsy old guy that Mr. Jones. But where did he hope to leave his wife with that course of action? [:(][&:]


Interesting that you brought that up. It turns out that Sopporo, in 1942, was the sister city of Detroit and the music scene there had adopted a blues sensibility which presaged the Motown sound.

Me and Mrs Jones

Isoruku Matsumoto (1945)
Commandant (1941-1945), Civilian Reeducation Camp #11
Sopporo, Hokkaido Prefecture

Me and Mrs. Jones, we got a thing going on,
We both know that it's wrong
But it's much too strong to let it cool down now.

We meet ev'ry day at the same cafe,
Yeah, like she had a choice.
Six-thirty I know she'll be there,
Morning roll call, to check for escapees, a standard practice
Holding hands, making all kinds of plans
Historians beleive this refers to a tunnel found under a heating stove in early 1944
While the jukebox plays our favorite song.
Poetic lincense. It was really a PA system.

Me and Mrs., Mrs. Jones, Mrs. Jones, Mrs. Jones,
This misuse of the object pronoun is a common error among non- English-proficent Japanese
Mrs. Jones got a thing going on,
We both know that it's wrong,
No kidding. Try execution for the Major if he is caught.
But it's much too strong to let it cool down now.

We gotta be extra careful
that we don't build our hopes too high
Cause she's got her own obligations and so do I.

Me, me and Mrs., Mrs. Jones, Mrs. Jones, Mrs. Jones,
Mrs. Jones got a thing going on,
We both know that it's wrong,
But it's much too strong to let it cool down now.
Interstingly, this use of the refrain echos a techinque in Japanese Epic Poetry

Well, it's time for us to be leaving,
It hurts so much, it hurts so much inside,
Now she'll go her way and I'll go mine,
But tomorrow we'll meet the same place, the same time.

Me and Mrs. Jones, Mrs. Jones, Mrs. Jones.
Clearly a reference to the Hiroshima and Nagasaki attacks. Major Matsumoto, who had a family in Nagoya, realized "the thing wouldn't be goin on" much longer.



Onime No Kyo -> RE: Chichagof (9/10/2006 5:43:18 PM)

[:D][:D][:D]



AmiralLaurent -> RE: Foster Jones, RIP (9/10/2006 10:17:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

This really happend (in May '42, historically). Mr. Jones committed suicide rather than be taken alive. Mrs. Jones and the Aleuts were taken to a POW camp in Hokkaido where 1/3 died. I could be wrong, but I don't think they were treated in accordance with the Geneva Convention.



The Geneva Convention only applied to prisoner of war, not civilian internees like Ms Jones and the Aleuts living in Attu.

Japan repeatly during the war moved entire island populations to camp thousand of miles away, also in Southern Pacific. Resident of Nauru and Gilberts had a comparable mortality rate during the war (not linked to Allied bombings).

Another example of the treatment of civilian prisoners was in Wake, where hundred of American civilian airfield builders were captured. While a part was shipped to Japan where it shared the fate of other Allied prisoners, more than 100 remained on the island until October 1943 and a raid by US CV, then were all executed in reprisals.




Onime No Kyo -> RE: Foster Jones, RIP (9/10/2006 10:25:30 PM)

Doesnt matter. Japan never signed the convention.



Cap Mandrake -> RE: Foster Jones, RIP (9/10/2006 10:54:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AmiralLaurent


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

This really happend (in May '42, historically). Mr. Jones committed suicide rather than be taken alive. Mrs. Jones and the Aleuts were taken to a POW camp in Hokkaido where 1/3 died. I could be wrong, but I don't think they were treated in accordance with the Geneva Convention.



The Geneva Convention only applied to prisoner of war, not civilian internees like Ms Jones and the Aleuts living in Attu.

Japan repeatly during the war moved entire island populations to camp thousand of miles away, also in Southern Pacific. Resident of Nauru and Gilberts had a comparable mortality rate during the war (not linked to Allied bombings).

Another example of the treatment of civilian prisoners was in Wake, where hundred of American civilian airfield builders were captured. While a part was shipped to Japan where it shared the fate of other Allied prisoners, more than 100 remained on the island until October 1943 and a raid by US CV, then were all executed in reprisals.





Yes, and for this courageous act, Adm Sakaibara was tried and executed as a war criminal, which gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside, Geneva Convention or no [8D]



From Wikipedia

On October 5, 1943, carrier planes from USS Yorktown conducted an extremely successful raid. Two days later, fearing an imminent invasion, Rear Admiral Shigematsu Sakaibara ordered the execution of 98 captured American contract workers remaining on the island who had been doing forced labor for the Japanese. They were taken to the northern end of the island, blindfolded and machine-gunned. One of the prisoners (whose name has never been discovered) escaped the massacre, apparently returning to the site to carve the message 98 US PW 5-10-43 on a large coral rock near where the murdered Americans had been hastily buried in a mass grave. This unknown American was re-captured within a few weeks, after which Sakaibara personally beheaded him with a sword. The inscription on the rock can still be seen and is a Wake Island landmark. After the war, Sakaibara and his subordinate, Lieutenant-Commander Tachibana, were sentenced to death for this and other crimes (several Japanese officers in American custody had committed suicide over the incident, leaving written statements that incriminated Sakaibara). Tachibana's sentence was later commuted to life in prison.[2] The Murdered civilian Pows are buried in Honolulu Memorial, Hawaii

On September 4, 1945, the remaining Japanese garrison surrendered to a detachment of the United States Marine Corps. In a brief ceremony, the handover of Wake was officially conducted.




Onime No Kyo -> RE: Foster Jones, RIP (9/10/2006 11:03:10 PM)

Reminds me how they recently held a mock trial in Japan (Todai University IIRC)...and convicted Truman for war crimes for Hiroshima and Nagasaki...in absentia it seems.



Cap Mandrake -> RE: Foster Jones, RIP (9/12/2006 9:05:14 PM)

The Beauforts, Swordfish and Dutch torpedo bombers in the DEI are gaining enough experience to be a real threat against surface forces.
They are murder against transports. The battle for Koepang ahs consumed so many Jap surface resources that the Bali landing goes in without sufficient support. This was one of John's few mistakes.

Bali falls because there is no garrison, but AV support troops are either drowned or sent packing back to Borneo. Bali will not be of any use for now.

The departure of the AP's and AK's from Soerabaja has been delayed too long. I had hoped to use them in a Singapore rescue operation. They may still be of value in evacuation the Aussie brigade remnants and Malaya Command from Tjiltjap should they still be floating upon their arrival.

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witpqs -> RE: Foster Jones, RIP (9/12/2006 9:59:39 PM)

AVG in the DEI? Is that SOP or on the QT?



Cap Mandrake -> RE: Foster Jones, RIP (9/12/2006 10:31:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

AVG in the DEI? Is that SOP or on the QT?


AVG transferred to Java to aid in a planned air offensive on Palembang. The Japs didn't wait. [:(]

China got a Squadron of P-40E's from the PI. The Volunteers didn't seem to mind. [;)]



witpqs -> RE: Foster Jones, RIP (9/13/2006 1:13:59 AM)

From the fying pan into the fire!



Cap Mandrake -> RE: Chichagof? (9/13/2006 9:41:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tabpub

I don't remember losing Attu...? Did I miss something....? < rolls over and starts snoring again in sunny SF>....


My apologies. In fact, Attu didn't change sides until the next day. :-)


Like the rest of her ersatz infantry squad, Mrs Jones was equiped with a hunting rifle, a machete used to butcher whales and several dozen rounds of ammunition. As dusk fell, her small unit was the last obstacle to full Japanese control of the first portion of sovereign United States territroy invaded by a foreign power since the War of 1812. They huddled against the winter cold, not 300 yds from the village church, on a talus slope of volcanic boulders. In the falling light they could see Little Bird, a teenage mother with babe in arms, being interrogated by a Japanese officer. Perhaps 3 dozen troops had taken up positions around the town and had captured a number of villagers who had not moved into the hills fast enough. She thought of her husband of 30 years, who had put a bullet through his head rather than suffer the indignity of internment under the Japanese. She had chosen a different route. She and her band, some 13 Aleut hunters and fisherman, knew that they could not long survive cut off from shelter and food in the middle of an Aleutian winter. Their only option... attack. She signaled to Sleeping Bear, the best shot in the group, making the outline of an officer's insingia on her forehead and shoulders then a decisve slashing motion across her neck. Sleeping Bear removed the glove from his right hand, shouldered the butt of his rifle, took one deep breath, then another, then he seemed to enter a state of torper which was interrupted only when his rifle jerked violently and the quiet of the winter evening was ended by the crack of a thirty-ought-six round as it lept toward it's target.........



Cap Mandrake -> $5 for jackets, $3 for slacks (9/16/2006 10:02:45 PM)

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Onime No Kyo -> RE: $5 for jackets, $3 for slacks (9/17/2006 3:02:22 PM)

This cant be it. [X(]

I'm still wondering what sailor he's in love with.



Cap Mandrake -> IN the Navy (9/17/2006 8:14:29 PM)

I had to fix my car lock and ship out a turn. I still can't see how you guys doing multiple games do it. More about Yossarians sailor friend.

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Cap Mandrake -> Exotic spices of the Orient (9/17/2006 10:14:27 PM)

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Cap Mandrake -> Attu, Kiska........? (9/17/2006 11:46:22 PM)

There really was a USN weather detachment on Kiska when the Japs arrived in June 42. 10 men and a dog were captured. One sailor managed to elude capture for 50 days. He turned himself in because of starvation.

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Terminus -> RE: Exotic spices of the Orient (9/18/2006 12:14:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

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Oh dear, oh dear... Yossarian's fallen in love with a Japanese spy...



witpqs -> RE: Exotic spices of the Orient (9/18/2006 12:31:36 AM)

Was there a page two for that letter? It gives the impression it skipped from page one to pgae three.



Terminus -> RE: Exotic spices of the Orient (9/18/2006 12:33:28 AM)

Page two was Mandrake's post #352...



Cap Mandrake -> RE: Exotic spices of the Orient (9/18/2006 7:50:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Oh dear, oh dear... Yossarian's fallen in love with a Japanese spy...


Clearly, I need to be a little more oblique [:)]
You are getting very warm. There is a hint earlier.



USSAmerica -> RE: Skirts...no kilts (9/18/2006 8:22:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Here is one of the evacuees. She was transferred to Singapore after her work in helping to sink the Bismarck. Rule Britania (By the way, she was born in Berlin to German parents [X(]






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Yossarian has good taste. [;)]



Cap Mandrake -> An Enigma (9/18/2006 9:04:21 PM)

******Office of Admiral Sir Dudley Pound, First Sea Lord, London, 1-12-42*********

<an officer enters the room>
Sir Dudley: "Yes?" <without looking up>
Captain Marleybone: (Admiralty liason with Government Code & Cipher School): "Sir, I've been reviewing Engima intercepts from the Bismarck pursuit."
Sir Dudley: "You do realize we sunk the Bismarck, Captain?"
Captain Marleybone: "Why, yes sir, but the boys at Bletchely did a restrospective decryption of all of Raeder's orders to Bismarck during the pursuit as a case study to discern patterns which might be useful in future decryptions."
Sir Dudley: "And?"
Captain Marleybone: "Well sir, the level of detail about Royal Navy postions and intentions is alarming. For eg., decrypt number 12 has exact positions, course and speed for Rodney and Ark Royal."
Sir Dudley: <he looks up from his work>"Submarine or air recon perhaps. Perhaps inference from radio intercepts."
Captain Marleybone:"Sir, Ark Royal reported no enemy air recon activity and Rodney must certainly have been out of air recon range. It seems improbable that two independant submarine spottings could have provided such up to dat intelligence. There is something else."
Sir Dudley: "I'm listening Captain"
Captain Marleybone: "Well Sir, intercept number 12 also gives precise fuel reports for Rodney. Its as if they are reading OUR transmissions."
Sir Dudley: "Or they have an agent at the Admiralty. Get me a list of all with access to the Operations Room and Communications Center prior to the time of receipt of intercept number 12."



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