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Shannon V. OKeets -> Tutorial #4 (10/16/2006 1:11:33 PM)

I only have the graphics for the first 3 pages done so far. But I thought I would give you a peek.

This page will talk about how each unit can be examined in detail using the Unit Review Form <Ctrl U>.

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Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/16/2006 1:13:22 PM)

Page 2 will cover the different HQ types and what the reorganization # is for.

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Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/16/2006 1:16:33 PM)

Pages 3 through 6 will display all the different land unit types and discuss their differences.

I am trying to show elite versus regular, corps / army versus division, and on this page, Nationalist versus Communist China.

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stretch -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/16/2006 4:48:40 PM)

I'm sure you already know but the unit rows 2 and 3 are slightly skewed (don't line up perfectly in the vertical) which causes an obsessive dork like me to.. well... obsess on it.




Toed -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/16/2006 6:29:49 PM)

Just one question. Could be me not being up to date. But why is Wavels listed defence strength 10 and all other HQs has their value as printed on the counter? My uninformed guess is that it is placed on map somewhere that gives it a x2 on defensive. If it is so perhaps it should be avoided in a basic tutorial unless it is there to make that point?



Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/16/2006 8:07:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Toed

Just one question. Could be me not being up to date. But why is Wavels listed defence strength 10 and all other HQs has their value as printed on the counter? My uninformed guess is that it is placed on map somewhere that gives it a x2 on defensive. If it is so perhaps it should be avoided in a basic tutorial unless it is there to make that point?

Thanks. You are right about the cause. I'll use it as part of the write up.

There are other places where the numbers in the unit data panel are different than what you see onthe counter. I want to review them all and decide on which to retain. For example, disorganized naval units are shown with a range of 0 (2). Which I do not like - mainly because it takes up so much room in a panel that is tight on space.



Greyshaft -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/17/2006 12:43:59 AM)

The HQ units have the name of the General underneath their stats.
Would it look better if the name was on top and the stats below?



Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/17/2006 12:59:55 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greyshaft

The HQ units have the name of the General underneath their stats.
Would it look better if the name was on top and the stats below?

Yes. I'll change it in the Units Review Form.



Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/17/2006 1:16:05 AM)

Like this?

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Froonp -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/17/2006 1:18:00 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
Like this?

Ah..... Zhukov...... he has dream-like stats..... [&o]



Froonp -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/17/2006 1:19:43 AM)

But he's a child in front of von Manstein !!!!! [:D] [:D] [:D]
The real "key", the "front breaker" [:D]
[X(]

OK, going to sleep, taking my pills.... [>:]



Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/17/2006 2:47:43 AM)

Just for you, Patrice.

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Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/17/2006 11:36:43 AM)

Here are the screen shots for the next 4 pages of this tutorial.

Text will talk about mountain units, marines, paratroopers, garrisons, and militia

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Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/17/2006 11:38:54 AM)

4 more pages of screen shots for the 4th tutorial.

Text will talk about these unit types.

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Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/17/2006 11:41:03 AM)

Quite a bit of room to discuss territorial units.

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Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/17/2006 11:43:58 AM)

Divisional units plus winterized units.

I'll correct the problem with the pink circles. I usually use that color for transparency. Clearly (pun intended) I need to choose another color for that purpose here.

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Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/17/2006 11:48:02 AM)

Last in the series.

Here I want to compare the pluses and minuses of building different infantry types. I'll also cover reserve units.

There will be 2 more pages to this tutorial:

8 - will show land units placed at the start of Barbarossa (high resolution so fairly high zoom)

9 - similar to 8 but with medium resolution and lower zoom level.

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oldsin -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/17/2006 5:37:54 PM)

/delurk

hi, im a long time lurker on this forum, anxiously awaiting mwif.

i can see things are shaping up really well, but i found a small mistake in the
von Leeb descripion. his 1937 publication should be called "die Abwehr" (meaning "defense"),
instead of "die Abweht"; "Abweht" not actually being a german word.

itīs only a rather unimportant typo of course, but it shouldnīt be hard to fix.
keep up the good work,

michael




trees trees -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/17/2006 6:23:15 PM)

hi folks, I haven't posted much lately cuz everything has been looking real good. I like those rounded corners! (Yes, I have clipped the corners of several thousand WiF cardboard counters, so nice).

just wondering who the sample GARRison units up there belong too,
(the ones next to the Japanese MARines) in particular the one with the green center to the unit type box...I'm guessing Italy?

the TERRitorial write-up will be a bit of a pickle...rules for TERRitorial units are played a certain way that isn't exactly based on rock-solid rules interpretation. I think this may have been covered somewhere else here, perhaps in the Optional rules thread?



pak19652002 -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/17/2006 7:13:00 PM)

We are going to submit a rules clarification list to ADG for ruling. If we can reduce any territorial issues to a few yes/no questions, I will include them on the list.


quote:

ORIGINAL: trees trees

hi folks, I haven't posted much lately cuz everything has been looking real good. I like those rounded corners! (Yes, I have clipped the corners of several thousand WiF cardboard counters, so nice).

just wondering who the sample GARRison units up there belong too,
(the ones next to the Japanese MARines) in particular the one with the green center to the unit type box...I'm guessing Italy?

the TERRitorial write-up will be a bit of a pickle...rules for TERRitorial units are played a certain way that isn't exactly based on rock-solid rules interpretation. I think this may have been covered somewhere else here, perhaps in the Optional rules thread?




Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/17/2006 8:51:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: oldsin
/delurk

hi, im a long time lurker on this forum, anxiously awaiting mwif.

i can see things are shaping up really well, but i found a small mistake in the
von Leeb descripion. his 1937 publication should be called "die Abwehr" (meaning "defense"),
instead of "die Abweht"; "Abweht" not actually being a german word.

itīs only a rather unimportant typo of course, but it shouldnīt be hard to fix.
keep up the good work,

michael

Thanks, I'll fix it.



Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/17/2006 8:53:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: trees trees
hi folks, I haven't posted much lately cuz everything has been looking real good. I like those rounded corners! (Yes, I have clipped the corners of several thousand WiF cardboard counters, so nice).

just wondering who the sample GARRison units up there belong too,
(the ones next to the Japanese MARines) in particular the one with the green center to the unit type box...I'm guessing Italy?

the TERRitorial write-up will be a bit of a pickle...rules for TERRitorial units are played a certain way that isn't exactly based on rock-solid rules interpretation. I think this may have been covered somewhere else here, perhaps in the Optional rules thread?


Yes, Italy. I'll try to add text for these pages in the next couple of days.



trees trees -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/17/2006 9:16:40 PM)

I'm not sure I can reduce my TERRitorial question to a yes/no. Just lately I've come around to the view that when a country with a TERR force pool is conquered, all the TERR units of that country are immediately added to the conquering major powers TERR force pool. That's the way I've always played it, the way most people play it, and I believe the way Harry intended it to work. But it's not completely intuitive from the rules. By 'just lately' I mean that I now think it somewhat flows from the rules as written, in the absence of any other language saying anything different. But I think this could use a little explanation either in the optional rule write-up or as part of the units write-up, or both? or a link from the unit write-ups to the optional rule write-up?



Greyshaft -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/17/2006 10:21:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: oldsin

/delurk

hi, im a long time lurker on this forum, anxiously awaiting mwif.

i can see things are shaping up really well, but i found a small mistake in the von Leeb descripion. his 1937 publication should be called "die Abwehr" (meaning "defense"), instead of "die Abweht"; "Abweht" not actually being a german word.

itīs only a rather unimportant typo of course, but it shouldnīt be hard to fix.
keep up the good work,

michael


Thanks for the correction. All such help gratefully received.

NOTE TO EVERYONE: If you see any other errors in the unit descriptions then please let us know.

BTW Michael, you forgot to re-engage lurk mode at the end of your post. Does that mean you're here to stay? [;)]



Mziln -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/18/2006 2:38:40 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: trees trees

I'm not sure I can reduce my TERRitorial question to a yes/no. Just lately I've come around to the view that when a country with a TERR force pool is conquered, all the TERR units of that country are immediately added to the conquering major powers TERR force pool. That's the way I've always played it, the way most people play it, and I believe the way Harry intended it to work. But it's not completely intuitive from the rules. By 'just lately' I mean that I now think it somewhat flows from the rules as written, in the absence of any other language saying anything different. But I think this could use a little explanation either in the optional rule write-up or as part of the units write-up, or both? or a link from the unit write-ups to the optional rule write-up?


22.4.5 Territorials (AfA option 10)

Territorials are controlled by the major power that controls their home country or erritory when they arrive as reinforcements, even if they were built by a different major power.

You return on map territorials to the force pools when their home country or territory is conquered.

Territorials may be built even before the territorial’s minor country is allowed to be reinforced (e.g. the Philippines ~ see 13.3.2, entry option 41).



Zorachus99 -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/18/2006 2:49:40 AM)

Cst/Trns/Rrg ?

Cost / Transport Size / Reorganization cost?

If so, have I been playing with militias and Terr unit (units with XXX or XXXX) as corps/army sized units, when they are actually divisional for transport size?

I thought divisions were unilaterally marked with XX designations and only occupied half the space of a transport ship.



Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/18/2006 3:14:14 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorachus99

Cst/Trns/Rrg ?

Cost / Transport Size / Reorganization cost?

If so, have I been playing with militias and Terr unit (units with XXX or XXXX) as corps/army sized units, when they are actually divisional for transport size?

I thought divisions were unilaterally marked with XX designations and only occupied half the space of a transport ship.

Cost to build /Turns to build/Reorganization cost (in the metric HQ/ATR/TRS reorganization points)



Froonp -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/18/2006 11:39:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorachus99

Cst/Trns/Rrg ?

Cost / Transport Size / Reorganization cost?

If so, have I been playing with militias and Terr unit (units with XXX or XXXX) as corps/army sized units, when they are actually divisional for transport size?

MIL & TERR are Corps generaly.

quote:

I thought divisions were unilaterally marked with XX designations and only occupied half the space of a transport ship.

They are.



Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/18/2006 12:13:57 PM)

Here's some text for the first 3 pages of the 4th tutorial. I have not taken new screen shots (but it is now "Die Abwehr" in the data).

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Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Tutorial #4 (10/18/2006 12:16:10 PM)

The screen shots here are old but the code that generates the Unit Review form now places the title bar at the top.

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