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ltfightr -> Mines Mines Mines where did mine go?? (11/29/2006 4:05:27 AM)

I have been mining Saipan and the other islands in the area since turn 1 I just passed 75,000 mines at Saipan however on the Base info screen the # of defensive mines does not show anymore but the mine icon is still showing in the base hex. Any guess if the mines are still there will they still work?




wdolson -> RE: Mines Mines Mines where did mine go?? (11/29/2006 4:38:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ltfightr

I have been mining Saipan and the other islands in the area since turn 1 I just passed 75,000 mines at Saipan however on the Base info screen the # of defensive mines does not show anymore but the mine icon is still showing in the base hex. Any guess if the mines are still there will they still work?


You may have exceeded the number of mines the program could keep track of at a base. Most of the variables in the save file are 16 bits, which means they max out at 65,535. If the number of mines went above that, something odd may have happened.

Bill




Raverdave -> RE: Mines Mines Mines where did mine go?? (11/29/2006 4:55:03 AM)

75,000 in ONE place????????? Thats just about the entire output of mines for the japanese for the entire war IRL ![X(]   If I was your opponent I would simply be side stepping the place and start planing for operation Olympic.




RUPD3658 -> RE: Mines Mines Mines where did mine go?? (11/29/2006 5:29:08 AM)

I have gotten up to 20,000 mines without a problem.




Feinder -> RE: Mines Mines Mines where did mine go?? (11/29/2006 5:57:20 AM)

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If I was your opponent I would simply be side stepping the place and start planing for operation Olympic.



Nah. I'm just just gonna pull up my APs to the edge of the minefield, and tell my Marines to walk to shore.

That kinda sucks tho. He's been working on that minefield for months. Would be a shame to have all that obsessive/compulsive behavior go to waste.

As the Allies in that game, I've had the RDN MLs busy at Akyab. I think it's up to 16k mines.

But we were gonna have a wager to see how many MSWs I'd lose to close that minefield.

If he has exploded the max number of mines, frankly I hope Kid or Pry or -somebody- can doctor the game back to whatever the max number of mines is, just so all that effort doesn't go to waste, and we can actually see how many MSWs he takes out.

-F-




fabertong -> RE: Mines Mines Mines where did mine go?? (11/29/2006 10:18:44 AM)

I must confess.......I never lay more than 5,000 mines in one place.....and even that is too gamey for me.....but what the H*ll...........




Charbroiled -> RE: Mines Mines Mines where did mine go?? (11/29/2006 6:01:06 PM)

Wow, 75,000 mines......it seems like one well placed shell will solve the problem of Saipan.[:D]




Feinder -> RE: Mines Mines Mines where did mine go?? (11/29/2006 6:34:03 PM)

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Wow, 75,000 mines......it seems like one well placed shell will solve the problem of Saipan.


"Alright guys. Intel says there's 75,000 mines here. That means we're sharing the shallows with 150 million pounds of explosives. Let's take this slow..."

"MSW Quail hits Type 16 mine."

[image]local://upfiles/7554/674EA8F259994B70B4B1D64E847DF1C3.jpg[/image]

"Amphibous TF 1016 is unable to locate target. The invasion of Saipan is cancelled."

-F-




Rob Brennan UK -> RE: Mines Mines Mines where did mine go?? (11/29/2006 6:56:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Feinder

quote:

Wow, 75,000 mines......it seems like one well placed shell will solve the problem of Saipan.


"Alright guys. Intel says there's 75,000 mines here. That means we're sharing the shallows with 150 million pounds of explosives. Let's take this slow..."

"MSW Quail hits Type 16 mine."

[image]local://upfiles/7554/674EA8F259994B70B4B1D64E847DF1C3.jpg[/image]

"Amphibous TF 1016 is unable to locate target. The invasion of Saipan is cancelled."

-F-


LOL ..[:D]




qgaliana -> RE: Mines Mines Mines where did mine go?? (11/29/2006 8:02:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

quote:

ORIGINAL: Feinder

quote:

Wow, 75,000 mines......it seems like one well placed shell will solve the problem of Saipan.


"Alright guys. Intel says there's 75,000 mines here. That means we're sharing the shallows with 150 million pounds of explosives. Let's take this slow..."

"MSW Quail hits Type 16 mine."

[image]local://upfiles/7554/674EA8F259994B70B4B1D64E847DF1C3.jpg[/image]

"Amphibous TF 1016 is unable to locate target. The invasion of Saipan is cancelled."

-F-


LOL ..[:D]


[sm=00000280.gif] Gotta stop reading at work... People are popping heads from their cubes to find out what I'm laughing about. And of course none will get the joke...




Don Bowen -> RE: Mines Mines Mines where did mine go?? (11/29/2006 8:03:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ltfightr

I have been mining Saipan and the other islands in the area since turn 1 I just passed 75,000 mines at Saipan however on the Base info screen the # of defensive mines does not show anymore but the mine icon is still showing in the base hex. Any guess if the mines are still there will they still work?


Is Saipan held by your opponent?




Feinder -> RE: Mines Mines Mines where did mine go?? (11/29/2006 8:55:05 PM)

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Is Saipan held by your opponent?


Not yet, but I plan to change that as soon as possible (I'm his opponent).

Japan currently owns and always has, owned Saipan.

-F-




wild_Willie2 -> RE: Mines Mines Mines where did mine go?? (11/29/2006 10:00:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: qgaliana


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

quote:

ORIGINAL: Feinder

quote:

Wow, 75,000 mines......it seems like one well placed shell will solve the problem of Saipan.


"Alright guys. Intel says there's 75,000 mines here. That means we're sharing the shallows with 150 million pounds of explosives. Let's take this slow..."

"MSW Quail hits Type 16 mine."

[image]local://upfiles/7554/674EA8F259994B70B4B1D64E847DF1C3.jpg[/image]

"Amphibous TF 1016 is unable to locate target. The invasion of Saipan is cancelled."

-F-


LOL ..[:D]


[sm=00000280.gif] Gotta stop reading at work... People are popping heads from their cubes to find out what I'm laughing about. And of course none will get the joke...




exellent post, this just made my evening .....[:D][:D][:D][:D]




Raverdave -> RE: Mines Mines Mines where did mine go?? (11/30/2006 2:41:16 AM)

LOL !!!!!!!!!!!![:D][:D][:D]  Feinder you are a very funny person !




BrucePowers -> RE: Mines Mines Mines where did mine go?? (11/30/2006 2:46:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Feinder

quote:

Is Saipan held by your opponent?


Not yet, but I plan to change that as soon as possible (I'm his opponent).

Japan currently owns and always has, owned Saipan.

-F-


[:D][:D][:D]




Don Bowen -> RE: Mines Mines Mines where did mine go?? (11/30/2006 4:12:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Feinder

quote:

Is Saipan held by your opponent?


Not yet, but I plan to change that as soon as possible (I'm his opponent).

Japan currently owns and always has, owned Saipan.

-F-


Watch out, I hear a rumor that there are mines there...






ctangus -> RE: Mines Mines Mines where did mine go?? (11/30/2006 4:39:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


quote:

ORIGINAL: Feinder

quote:

Is Saipan held by your opponent?


Not yet, but I plan to change that as soon as possible (I'm his opponent).

Japan currently owns and always has, owned Saipan.

-F-


Watch out, I hear a rumor that there are mines there...



All readers of this thread were expecting a miraculous cure (if it's needed) from the great mod/programmer Don Bowen... [&o]

I have to say - you crack me up at times. [:D]




seydlitz_slith -> RE: Mines Mines Mines where did mine go?? (11/30/2006 7:27:05 AM)

Well, think about this...at some point the number of mines lost each turn through degradation of the field will at some point exceed the delivery capabilities of the minelayers to deliver.  I believe the manual says that shallow water minefields degrade by 5% per day, deep water fields by 50% per day, and fields in friendly base hexes with at least a size 1 port degrade at 1% per day.  So, a 75,000 mine field would lose 750 mines every day in a port hex, 3,750 mines a day in a shallow water hex, or 37,500 each day in a deep water hex.




mc3744 -> RE: Mines Mines Mines where did mine go?? (11/30/2006 11:42:00 AM)

And here I was, wondering if a few thousand mines would be gamey! [:D][:D][:D]




MadmanRick -> RE: Mines Mines Mines where did mine go?? (11/30/2006 4:11:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: fabertong

I must confess.......I never lay more than 5,000 mines in one place.....and even that is too gamey for me.....but what the H*ll...........


While it may indeed be ahistorical, I hardly find it a "gamey" tactic. I mean it is true that 75,000 mines may be many times the total number that Japan produced during the war, however the aircraft manufacturing routines allow one to produce a great deal more aircraft than were produced historically, is that then "gamey"? I think if you consider that "gamey" than the Allied player should be forced to maintain many ships and troops in the Continental U.S. to guard against an invasion, even though we know now that the liklihood of said invasion is not realistic. This is a game, involving historical events, people, places etc. It is not a blow by blow re-creation of the War in the Pacific and "players" should be allowed to use their resources within reason. Also any fool that conducts an amphibious assault without proper preparation, deserves what he then gets. The kind of tactics I would consider "gamey" are few, but here are a couple:

Sending in transports one at a time (rather than in a group), knowing full well that they may be overlooked by the attack routines. [:-]

Holding back small fragments of ground or air units in a safe place, to prevent their total destruction. [:-]

"Gamey" to me involves the use of known limitations of the gaming routines to manipulate the desired results. It does not involve using the game as designed, even if the results may end up ahistorical. After all if we desire to end up at a historical outcome, what is the sense in investing years in this game only to come to the ultimate historical conclusion???

Rick




Feinder -> RE: Mines Mines Mines where did mine go?? (11/30/2006 4:55:22 PM)

Shame on you Rick for a presenting logical and reasonable argument.

Logic and reason have no place here!

[:'(]

-F-




Monter_Trismegistos -> RE: Mines Mines Mines where did mine go?? (11/30/2006 5:33:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MadmanRick
The kind of tactics I would consider "gamey" are few, but here are a couple:

Sending in transports one at a time (rather than in a group), knowing full well that they may be overlooked by the attack routines. [:-]

Holding back small fragments of ground or air units in a safe place, to prevent their total destruction. [:-]



Wow, real life commanders used gamey tricks during WWII...




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