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Admiral DadMan -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (4/22/2008 2:46:24 PM)
Ohhhhh.... I get a baaaaad feeling about this....

Terminus -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (4/22/2008 2:52:49 PM)
Oh dear, the captain is going to be taking a shower right when the torpedo hits...[:D]

Onime No Kyo -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (4/23/2008 3:42:48 AM)
Thats just CF trying to explain where the 2 system damage came from. [:)]

Cuttlefish -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/23/2008 5:22:40 AM)
January 13, 1944 Location: 105 miles southwest of Marcus Course: North Attached to: TF 9 Mission: Surface Combat System Damage: 2 Float Damage: 0 Fires: 0 Fuel: 289 Orders: Escort Yamato back to Japan --- Water has more importance to a destroyer than whether or not the captain gets his shower, of course. The crew needs water to drink. Ideally they also need water to bathe, but this swiftly becomes a forgotten luxury if supplies run tight. The fresh water supply can be threatened by different sorts of contamination; by salt water, by fuel oil, by sewage. The first two kinds of contamination are easily detected, but if disease enters the water supply it can go undetected and spread very quickly. That a warship whose crew is stricken with a waterborne gastrointestinal disease does not perform at full efficiency is an understatement. Hibiki’s three oil-fired boilers produce steam, and steam requires water. The quality of this water is very important. The more impure the water the faster scaling will occur in the boilers and deposits accrue in the steam lines. Scaling can rob a boiler of efficiency and the ship of speed. Mineral deposits can cause uneven heating in the steam lines that can, at worst, cause the lines to burst. Some water that is rejected for the boilers is still good enough to go into the crew’s potable water supply. So the crew pays as much attention to the water systems as they do to the engines and the weapons. But the systems are complicated and mistakes can happen; pipes can be cross-connected, valves can fail, and damage can accrue from the stresses of combat and tens of thousands of miles traveled. Under the circumstances it is entirely possible for two crewmen working in a confined space to make a small mistake. But small mistakes can have uncomfortable consequences.

histgamer -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/23/2008 9:39:55 AM)
Oh jeez I never thought of the outbreak of disease on Hibiki. Fantastic Idea even if it doesnt happen.[&o][&o][&o][&o]

AcePylut -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/23/2008 4:40:28 PM)
I smell a fire that gets outta control!

tocaff -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/23/2008 5:47:23 PM)
Our story teller is weaving his tale and allowing the vagarities of life to enter the war as real life demands. Reminds me of my buddy at Ft Dix, NJ in the latrine (head for this forum) and a steam pipe bursting behind where he sat. Nasty scalding that day.

Cuttlefish -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/23/2008 9:09:27 PM)
January 14, 1944 Location: 290 miles northwest of Marcus Course: Northwest Attached to: TF 9 Mission: Surface Combat System Damage: 2 Float Damage: 0 Fires: 0 Fuel: 261 Orders: Escort Yamato back to Japan --- “Riku looks a little green, don’t you think?” Yoshitake asks Oizuma. Oizuma chuckles. “He’s looked like that ever since Shun released him from that oath. We’ll be in Japan is a few days and now he’s realizing he will actually have to talk to the girl.” Shiro looks up. “He really does look a little green. Are you feeling okay, Riku?” Riku’s face not only has a greenish tinge, Shiro notes, but there are beads of sweat on his forehead and he has one arm across his stomach. “I don’t think so,” says Riku through clenched teeth. “My stomach is in knots. In fact...” He suddenly turns his head to one side and one hand comes up quickly to cover his mouth. “Riku, no, not on my hammock!” cries Oizuma, but too late. Riku vomits violently. Then there is a bubbling sound and a sudden stench fills the narrow bunk area. Riku looks up apologetically, then collapses to the floor. “Both ends,” says Yoshitake. “He’s really sick. Come on, we have to get him to the dispensary.” Shiro hurries to help and the two sailors help Riku to his feet. “I am sorry for the mess,” says Riku weakly as they help him along. He lurches as another cramp twists his guts. “Oh gods, I can’t get sick now!” “Trust me,” says Yoshitake, wrinkling his nose against the smell, “you are sick.” --- “We have nine cases so far this morning,” Lieutenant JG Nakagawa tells Captain Ishii, “and there are going to be more. I’ve ordered the water supply shut off and I’ll do some tests. With luck only one tank is contaminated and we will be able to resume using the other.” “But what is it?” the captain asks. Nakagawa shrugs. “I don’t know yet,” he says. “At worst it’s typhoid or cholera. If the ship’s luck holds it is only dysentery or some similar bacterial infection. I’ll know in a few hours. Fortunately all these men are young and healthy. If I can keep them hydrated they should be all right.” “I am glad we are nearing port,” says Captain Ishii grimly. Nakagawa nods. “Indeed. Anyone showing signs of illness should report to me immediately. And have the cooks boil all water before they use it. There is a lot of clean-up needed and all waste should go straight overboard and all mops and sponges, everything used, should be boiled or go over the side afterwards.” “I will see to it,” says Captain Ishii. “Please inform me as soon as you know something more.” “Yes sir,” says Nakagawa. Captain Ishii departs and Nakagawa hurries to treat another crewman lurching into the dispensary. It is going to be a very long day for the ship’s medic.

Terminus -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/23/2008 9:10:48 PM)
Here we go...[sm=vomit-smiley-020.gif]

FeurerKrieg -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/23/2008 9:33:46 PM)
Uh oh.... less lookouts to spot torpedo wakes. I think it was mentioned early in the thread, but anyone who like this thread should read "Japanese Destroyer Captain". I'm just finishing it and it is a great read. http://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Destroyer-Captain-Guadalcanal-Battles/dp/1591143543/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208975503&sr=8-1

thegreatwent -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/23/2008 11:04:02 PM)
I'm about 1/2 way through "Japanese Destroyer Captain" and have found it to be eyeopening. In terms of CF's narrative I can't even imagine the misery of a widespread sickness in such a close environment, the only thing that would be worse would be an outbreak on a fully loaded troopship. CF you have succeeded in telling a story that allows for suspense of disbelief and personal investment on behalf of the reader in the welfare of your characters. Well done [&o]

sadja -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/23/2008 11:51:09 PM)
It has been at least 30 years since I read that book. I have forgotten most of it. He ends his time as the captain of the lt cruiser that accompanies the Yamato on it's last mission.

thegreatwent -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/24/2008 12:01:23 AM)
D'oh thanks for the spoiler[8\|] But it is a very good read [:D]

1275psi -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/24/2008 12:44:12 AM)
Many years ago I served on a DE, crew of 250 -and somebody allowed the freezers to defrost - and then to hide the mistake re froze them........................ After the Chicken was served we had about 180 of us violently sick - uncontrollable runs, uncontrollable vomiting. Literally the ship was crippled, and we crawled back into port, and stayed there for 3 days. The after heads for our stokers mess had just 4 toilets, 2 showers. I am totally un able to convey the misery of 40 of us trying to vomit, crap, and generally be very miserable all at once in that place over those 3 days. Not even cuttlefishes great writing is going to come close to that little episode in my life................[8\|]

Dixie -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/24/2008 1:10:32 AM)
Picture of Hibiki, circa mid-January 1944 [:D] [image]local://upfiles/20142/DCD2AAB860C74792912B3F9889FFF72B.jpg[/image]

Terminus -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/24/2008 1:41:08 AM)
Eeeeew...[:D]

Cuttlefish -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/24/2008 1:49:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: 1275psi Many years ago I served on a DE, crew of 250 -and somebody allowed the freezers to defrost - and then to hide the mistake re froze them........................ After the Chicken was served we had about 180 of us violently sick - uncontrollable runs, uncontrollable vomiting. Literally the ship was crippled, and we crawled back into port, and stayed there for 3 days. The after heads for our stokers mess had just 4 toilets, 2 showers. I am totally un able to convey the misery of 40 of us trying to vomit, crap, and generally be very miserable all at once in that place over those 3 days. Not even cuttlefishes great writing is going to come close to that little episode in my life................[8\|] I was going to post something about how episodes like the current one aboard Hibiki are more common than one might think, but 1275psi has made that unnecessary. Sorry to have brought back those memories!

Cuttlefish -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/24/2008 1:51:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dixie Picture of Hibiki, circa mid-January 1944 [:D] [image]local://upfiles/20142/DCD2AAB860C74792912B3F9889FFF72B.jpg[/image] Yuck! Funny, though. [sm=00000117.gif]

Cuttlefish -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/24/2008 1:54:37 AM)
January 15, 1944 Location: 360 miles southeast of Tokyo Course: Northwest Attached to: TF 9 Mission: Surface Combat System Damage: 2 Float Damage: 0 Fires: 0 Fuel: 232 Orders: Escort Yamato back to Japan --- Forty-seven members of the crew become ill before the outbreak is checked. Based on the symptoms Nakagawa decides that it is some form of dysentery and not something more serious. The afflicted men are nonetheless miserable, even though all of them will eventually recover. Nakagawa traces the illness to one of the two main potable water tanks. That tank is flushed and ballasted with salt water and the crew resumes using the clean tank. The crewmen who remain healthy are almost as unhappy. Not only do they get to stand extra watches, they get the burden of cleaning up after forty-seven sick men, all of whom have explosive diarrhea and many of whom are vomiting. Even sailors used to spending long months in confined spaces find the current conditions disgusting. The ship’s supply of soap dwindles rapidly. --- “This outbreak comes at a bad time,” Captain Ishii tells Lieutenant Miharu. “It is dangerous to be short handed right now.” He holds up a message flimsy. “Yamato relayed a report this morning that five enemy submarines were spotted yesterday within 300 miles of Tokyo Bay.” “If our planes saw five submarines there are probably twice that many that they didn’t see,” comments Lieutenant Miharu. “Just so,” says Ishii. “They are sending out some of the new Type C and D escort ships to try and clear a corridor for us as we approach Tokyo, but the chances of an attack will still be high.” “Do you think all those submarines are there to try and welcome Yamato home?” asks the lieutenant. “It could be,” Ishii says. “Whatever the reason, we must be on our guard. The next forty-eight hours will be dangerous ones.”

Feinder -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/24/2008 4:10:07 AM)
Meanwhile... [image]local://upfiles/7554/A8A94F4EEA854F6E8F96B6987F61A5E0.jpg[/image] [:(] -F-

Admiral DadMan -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/24/2008 4:44:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Feinder Meanwhile... [image]local://upfiles/7554/A8A94F4EEA854F6E8F96B6987F61A5E0.jpg[/image] [:(] -F- Torpeeeeedo!!! To the Starboard!! "You Arhgant assss! You've killed US!!!"

Capt. Harlock -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/24/2008 5:20:35 AM)
quote: “This outbreak comes at a bad time,” Captain Ishii tells Lieutenant Miharu. “It is dangerous to be short handed right now.” He holds up a message flimsy. “Yamato relayed a report this morning that five enemy submarines were spotted yesterday within 300 miles of Tokyo Bay.” “If our planes saw five submarines there are probably twice that many that they didn’t see,” comments Lieutenant Miharu. I do believe my question about American Intel on the Yamato has been answered . . .[:D]

Onime No Kyo -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/24/2008 5:29:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cuttlefish quote: ORIGINAL: Dixie Picture of Hibiki, circa mid-January 1944 [:D] [image]local://upfiles/20142/DCD2AAB860C74792912B3F9889FFF72B.jpg[/image] Yuck! Funny, though. [sm=00000117.gif] At least the Captain's shower is working.

Onime No Kyo -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/24/2008 5:31:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Feinder Meanwhile... [image]local://upfiles/7554/A8A94F4EEA854F6E8F96B6987F61A5E0.jpg[/image] [:(] -F- Do you really think that any sub would be able to survive in that water anywhere near firing range? [:D]

Admiral DadMan -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/24/2008 6:05:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo quote: ORIGINAL: Feinder Meanwhile... [image]local://upfiles/7554/A8A94F4EEA854F6E8F96B6987F61A5E0.jpg[/image] [:(] -F- Do you really think that any sub would be able to survive in that water anywhere near firing range? [:D] It's a chumline...

Terminus -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/24/2008 12:13:51 PM)
Well, sharks ARE omnivorous...[:D]

Cuttlefish -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (4/24/2008 9:51:22 PM)
January 16, 1944 Location: 120 miles southeast of Tokyo Course: Northwest Attached to: TF 9 Mission: Surface Combat System Damage: 2 Float Damage: 0 Fires: 0 Fuel: 204 Orders: Escort Yamato back to Japan --- Captain Ishii stands on the port observation platform and scans the gray ocean. His gaze comes to rest on battered Yamato, steaming serenely along under a high overcast. The big battleship is a target that no submarine commander could resist, but so far today there have been no attacks. No periscopes have been sighted and none of the screening destroyers have had a sonar contact. Ishii hears the drone of an airplane and looks up. A Kawanishi E7K float plane is cruising a few thousand meters over the task force. It is not the first plane Ishii has seen today; planes out of the airfields around Tokyo have been scouring the seas around and ahead of the task force since shortly after sunrise. That is not the only measure being taken to protect the pride of the Imperial Japanese Navy. Some miles out ahead of the task force a group of five patrol craft is sweeping the ocean, trying to clear a path. Ishii turns and steps back onto the bridge just time to see Lieutenant Kuwaki come up the ladder. Kuwaki comes over and salutes. “Still quiet, sir?” Kuwaki says. “Looks like our luck is holding.” “I’m starting to think there is something to that silly snake superstition some of the men have,” Ishii says with a smile. “How is Lieutenant Sugiyura?” “Weak and still a bit feverish, sir. He seemed to think I was his father.” “Hm. I hope you were reassuring.” “Don’t worry, sir, I told him I was proud of him,” says Kuwaki. “Lieutenant Nakagawa says that there have been no more new cases. Nakagawa looks tired, though. I’m glad we’ll reach Tokyo soon.” “Me too,” says Ishii. “But we aren’t quite there yet.”

Shark7 -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/24/2008 10:36:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo quote: ORIGINAL: Feinder Meanwhile... [image]local://upfiles/7554/A8A94F4EEA854F6E8F96B6987F61A5E0.jpg[/image] [:(] -F- Do you really think that any sub would be able to survive in that water anywhere near firing range? [:D] If they tried, the sub would sink from external corrosion shortly after getting the first targeting mark. [X(] [:'(]

Durbik -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - Water, Water Everywhere (4/25/2008 10:36:57 AM)
Well, Tokio should be a nice chance for the crew (and for us)to know how's the war going on other fronts...

mdiehl -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (4/25/2008 7:59:46 PM)
quote: The islands of Kwajalein Atoll fall astern and are soon lost to sight. No one aboard Hibiki suspects yet that the destroyer has just finished her last visit of the war to the islands, her home for much of the fighting so far. I don't think that is necessarily so ominous. It may simply mean that by the time Hibiki gets her next assignment, Kwajalein will have become an American base. Hibiki may have caught a break in being assigned Yamato escort duty.

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