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Smead -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 4:47:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Monkeys Brain

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ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko


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ORIGINAL: Monkeys Brain
What's happening with this disgrace or distance... I am not representing any country here to make myself clear. I didn't disgraced anyone or anything as I am only telling my opinion.


Yes you are. In a thread degenerated like this, where people consciously or subconsciously form "camps" you have to be VERY careful what you say because your personal opinion will be "reflected" on all others from your "camp".

(Even if you're very careful, there will be people like Paul, who are simply too lazy to read and comprehend what's written [>:])

Good example is Rune - personally I think he is occassionally funny and I do have *some* sympathy for every Dane that joined Danish armed forces and got sent - to Balkans on a peacekeeping mission! [:D] How screwed up is that? Couldn't he find some proper JOB in his country? The ugliest thing he posted here is "nema dizela". That's just hilarious on certain level.... I certainly don't expect him to love Croats based on his ****ty mission in ****ty time among ****ty people from ****tiest part of Croatia, as part of the ****ty Danish peacekeeping army or whatever.

Anyhow, regardless of that, this dude is a disgrace to his country because of the way he acts in a thread like this. Terminus did what he could to disassociate himself from Rune, in as much as I am doing the same with you. Both you and Rune may pass as nice dudes - in some other thread, though [:D]




Oleg,

One more thing. This thing about disgrace. I have come to this boards and even sent you a pm that it was me etc... Didn't wanted to do any arguing to you. Your reply was also kind to my pm etc...

Let me be straight with you. You cannot say to me that I am disgrace to Croatia or anything. I didn't wanted to bring this as you have some sort of a status here but it is quite opposite - you are disgrace sometimes and just remember your quisling writings in the BUG or I have to remind you lol? That is disgrace to be quisling journalist be it in Croatia or USA or Mexico.

So, spare me next time your lousy patronizing. I am here as a peson not as a citizen of Croatia. I defended Croatia only because I am man of honor and I could have defended Nigeria instead of Croatia. If you think that "Croatians " must behave like some sort of a herd don't look anymore at my side and stop patronizing me. Patronize your son and teach him what he will say, not me.

So you cannot compare me with this Rune guy, I didn't started this. I didn't told anyone that they go kill some children.

I said that America is Fourth Reich. So what? In fifty years they can come to YOUR Croatia and look for water for example, also under cover of UN mission. I admit that exaggeration is here in place. But, to remind you exaggeration is good, because it shows some things better.

And I am sorry but you have no rights whatsoever to remind me on Usenet talkings and what I had say or have dared to say etc,.. I was saying everything in my name not in yours. I personally don't care what any Croatians would think and I am not representing Croatia, just pour this into your empty head once and for all.
In any case i was born in Serbia so that your soul is relived consider me a Serbian, I don't mind at all lol
Even Serbians are not so degenerating in their mind to measure words of their whatever - maybe they will even surpass you Croats.
So consider me a Serbian next time, just that I don't disgrace you, journalist quisling.

You don't have any right to do this whatsoever. I must constantly to remind you about freedom of speech because you are a little Vietcong commie in the heart lol.

I cannot help you because I am much more intelligent than you. See my allias even at this allias I am much more intelligent than you.
That is what bothers you, your limited intelligence. You are smart but not intelligent, your brain is short of conclusion. I see this as I read your post and I have read your articles. So you are just jealous. Saying that America is Fourth Reich is one of the biggest intelectual thing that Branimir Stulic come up with. Interview is from late 1991. in fact and is splendid. Intellectual thinking must be brave and radical sometimes. So next time think about patronizing me because you have no right whatsoever to patronize me until you change your behaviour. I don't ask for your or anyone's support but next time I will crap and pour two tonnes of crap on your Croatia when you say that I am digrace of Croatia. I have defended your miserable Croatia and this is a thank you from you? Pathetic Oleg, as always. Exclude me from your Croatia I said that to you once and for all. If I am digrace of Croatia, exclude me. Include your beloved prime minister Sanader which is your idol and hich is in fact biggest scumnbag in Croatia. That is your pride and idols, criminals of Croatia. You know that HDZ is my enemy you know that well. So last time stop patronizing me and telling me what I can say, last time if you want ever any friendly conversation to have with me. Show some courtesy and decency for once.



Mario




I rest my case.

I suppose the two of you know where each other's villages are.[;)]






Knuckles_85 -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 5:00:18 PM)

How exactly is the US like the other 3 Reichs? It's gonna be interesting how you're gonna tie The Holy Roman Empire, Wilhem's Germany, and the Nazis with the US.




Smead -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 5:04:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior

Undercover

Could you quote some anti US posts from me? Cuz I was attacked in the first place. I dont and cant take responsibility of our neighbours actions but I feel as insulted by calling my country (or Croatia in this matter) a nazi, like an african american is insulted when called a nigger. Especially by people who have proven that their education is way below the average. Valid critism can and should be accepted, but outright denunciation of a country (and the poster with it) based on 60 yrs old half-truths is outrageous.


[8|]

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As of oil, since no WMDs or Al Qaeda leaders were found in 2003 in Iraq what other reasons could there be? After reading the US national defense strategy (it can be dowloaded in pdf) I believe that W belives in spreading the democracy. But according to another old hungarian saying freedom brought on the tip of the lance probably isnt. [;)]



It is ironic is the freedom that you yourself enjoy today was bought and paid for by over 40 years of our effort during the Cold War.

All you Europeans had better learn to get along and work together. The Russians are still out there. Next time they occupy you, you most likely won't get that much assistance from this side of the Atlantic.[;)]










Rune Iversen -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 5:06:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: hawker

90% of german forces fighting Soviets[8D][:D]


Depends on the chronology.




Terminus -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 5:06:57 PM)

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Rune Iversen -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 5:08:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Terminus

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Nice tonguework. Part of the curriculum? [;)]




Smead -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 5:19:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko


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ORIGINAL: Monkeys Brain
What's happening with this disgrace or distance... I am not representing any country here to make myself clear. I didn't disgraced anyone or anything as I am only telling my opinion.


Yes you are. In a thread degenerated like this, where people consciously or subconsciously form "camps" you have to be VERY careful what you say because your personal opinion will be "reflected" on all others from your "camp".

(Even if you're very careful, there will be people like Paul, who are simply too lazy to read and comprehend what's written [>:])

Good example is Rune - personally I think he is occassionally funny and I do have *some* sympathy for every Dane that joined Danish armed forces and got sent - to Balkans on a peacekeeping mission! [:D] How screwed up is that? Couldn't he find some proper JOB in his country? The ugliest thing he posted here is "nema dizela". That's just hilarious on certain level.... I certainly don't expect him to love Croats based on his ****ty mission in ****ty time among ****ty people from ****tiest part of Croatia, as part of the ****ty Danish peacekeeping army or whatever.

Anyhow, regardless of that, this dude is a disgrace to his country because of the way he acts in a thread like this. Terminus did what he could to disassociate himself from Rune, in as much as I am doing the same with you. Both you and Rune may pass as nice dudes - in some other thread, though [:D]



Rune's solid, and he's more intelligent than all of us with the exception of Vebber.

I'm sure that he was appalled to have to act as a peacekeeper in Europe, of all places.

You expect behavior requiring peacekeepers in the third world, not Europe.

As a soldier, it is infuriating to deal with cowards only able to murder each other's women, children, elderly, and to butcher unarmed men like cattle.

Don't know your background, but it is interesting that many of those you do not get along with are/were all soldiers, as I was.

Real soldiers, not militia death squad murderers of the type popular in the Balkans.








Ursa MAior -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 5:44:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Smead
It is ironic is the freedom that you yourself enjoy today was bought and paid for by over 40 years of our effort during the Cold War.


Yeah? It was not OUR freedom it was yours. (remember 1953,56,68!) Sooner or later the commies would have come down. SDI only sped it up. Reagan deserves credit for it, but I dont see how you made it for solely us (ie East europeans) rather for all of us (the whole planet).

It was not an altruistic venture -but even if it were- it does not entitle ANY US citizen to bash and despise anyone at their will for it.

I accept US strategy without ANY criticism after 1991 till the invasion of Iraq. Not before or after.

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All you Europeans had better learn to get along and work together. The Russians are still out there. Next time they occupy you, you most likely won't get that much assistance from this side of the Atlantic.[;)]


That is a valid point. EU learns to deal with Russia, or will be tramped. But if you think that US intevension in Europe was only for europeans then you should read Brzezisnki about to core continent (Global chessgame iirc).






Knuckles_85 -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 6:01:12 PM)

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Yeah? It was not OUR freedom it was yours. (remember 1953,56,68!) Sooner or later the commies would have come down. SDI only sped it up. Reagan deserves credit for it, but I dont see how you made it for solely us (ie East europeans) rather for all of us (the whole planet).
A venture that most of the world decided to sit out and let the US handle. Yes the USSR would have eventually collapsed but how much longer would it have taken without US intervention? Before the USSR collapse how many people would have predicted it?




robpost3 -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 6:22:08 PM)

Is The Body of My Enemy my Enemy?
Is the body of my enemy my enemy.
No.
Is it my friend?
No.
Is it neutral?
No.
What then?
It is an organ of your body.
What?
Risen in revolt as in disease.
How to control it?
How is the body already controlled?
By the mind.
Well?
I don't know how.
You'd better find out.
Where and from whom?
Enough has been said.
Thanks.
Anytime.

(A.R. Wilson)



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robpost3 -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 6:24:56 PM)

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11Bravo -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 7:14:16 PM)

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robpost3 -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 7:28:30 PM)

Nice...ya know I have not flown a kite since I lived by the coast, oh about 6 years ago...gonna get one this spring...
...heres one fer you Bravo double french military:

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11Bravo -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 7:41:18 PM)

That explains the yellow stripe...

But seriously, planning on building the one I posted.  It was used by downed pilots to fly an antenna for a small transmitter.  Saw one in the local museum. 




robpost3 -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 7:45:25 PM)

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That explains the yellow stripe...

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heres a site thats interesting:
http://www.inquiry.net/outdoor/spring/kites/25kites.htm




11Bravo -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 7:48:31 PM)

#17 Looks about it...thanks for posting that site. 




tc237 -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 8:04:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior
I accept US strategy without ANY criticism after 1991 till the invasion of Iraq. Not before or after.


IIRC there wasn't much US strategy during this time.
Unless you call ignoring the barbarians at the gate a strategy.
or ****ing interns in the oval office.




Rune Iversen -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 8:08:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tc237

IIRC there wasn't much US strategy during this time.
Unless you call ignoring the barbarians at the gate a strategy.
or ****ing interns in the oval office.



He just likes the fact that Clinton was keen on trouncing the Serbs.




Rune Iversen -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 8:16:54 PM)

Another favoriet plane:

[image]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/thumb/4/46/Ts0168.jpg/160px-Ts0168.jpg[/image]

[:'(]




Oleg Mastruko -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 8:38:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Smead
I rest my case.

I suppose the two of you know where each other's villages are.[;)]


Well kind of, but since we both belong to the same "Balkan tribe" we don't fit very well in your "tribe vs tribe knife in hand" theories.

World is more complex than that though I certainly don't expect you to understand it.

I rarely read Mario/Monkeys brain posts in entirety.....




Ursa MAior -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 8:38:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rune Iversen


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ORIGINAL: tc237

IIRC there wasn't much US strategy during this time.
Unless you call ignoring the barbarians at the gate a strategy.
or ****ing interns in the oval office.



He just likes the fact that Clinton was keen on trouncing the Serbs.


Speak for yourself only, if an explanation has to be done I'll do it myself. I said what I said if one needs explanation here is one. Bush Sr's and Clinton's foreign policy was sound,as was Jr's till 2003 march.





Oleg Mastruko -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 8:41:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Monkeys Brain
Oleg,

One more thing. This thing about disgrace.


Mate you never NEVER change. Mile-long posts, that I for one don't have patience to read.

I just did what I had to do. If you post here on behalf of some "club" (or nation, or region, or humanity, or species) that by chance includes ME and I happen to disagree with you (as I staunchly disagree with you on 4th reich remarks) I feel obliged to distance myself from you. It's as simple as that.





Ursa MAior -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 8:43:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Knuckles_85
A venture that most of the world decided to sit out and let the US handle. Yes the USSR would have eventually collapsed but how much longer would it have taken without US intervention? Before the USSR collapse how many people would have predicted it?


There was a french expert in socialogy, Emmanuel Todd, who predicted its fall in 1975. He also wrote a book Apres l'empire.[;)]. NATO SEATO ANZUS allies have comitted themselves heavily too so you are completely mistaken. It was the Free World unquestionably led by the US who brought communism down.




Knuckles_85 -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 8:50:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior


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ORIGINAL: Knuckles_85
A venture that most of the world decided to sit out and let the US handle. Yes the USSR would have eventually collapsed but how much longer would it have taken without US intervention? Before the USSR collapse how many people would have predicted it?


There was a french expert in socialogy, Emmanuel Todd, who predicted its fall in 1975. He also wrote a book Apres l'empire.[;)]. NATO SEATO ANZUS allies have comitted themselves heavily too so you are completely mistaken. It was the Free World unquestionably led by the US who brought communism down.
Outside of the US who really contributed? How much did the countries within NATO truly contributed to NATO? Afghanistan proves what kinda a fraud NATO was. Hell the French proved it was a fraud with that I'm in oh wait no I'm not well maybe bs they pulled.




pauk -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 9:14:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Smead

and he's more intelligent than all of us with the exception of Vebber.


well i must admit that he is more inteligent than most of you - but at the other hand that is not that is not a hard task[:D]...






Rune Iversen -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 9:15:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Knuckles_85
Outside of the US who really contributed? How much did the countries within NATO truly contributed to NATO? Afghanistan proves what kinda a fraud NATO was. Hell the French proved it was a fraud with that I'm in oh wait no I'm not well maybe bs they pulled.



Most of the european states provided relatively large mobilization forces of differing quality and equipment to defend their immediate areas during the Cold War (in this case Germany first and then their respective home countries). Countries directly in the line of battle (Germany, denmark, Norway) also had to retain most of their forces for anti-invasion and home defence duty.




hawker -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 9:21:03 PM)

Yes,SSSR collapsed. Now,you have Putin Russia which will be stronger then SSSR ever was.
Russia is far richest country in natural wealth(if i say this right),right now Russia blackmailing whole Europe with oil and gas,if R. close oil pipes,prizes for gasoline etc. will go to sky.
Within 20 years Russia will became superpower again and far more superior then SSSR ever was,not by weapons,they have more deadlier weapon now-energetic.
I must say that i dont understand why US want to put Patriot missiles in Slovakia and Poland. That is play with fire.
Because of Iran??Dont make me laugh,Iran weaponry are close to pathetic.
If US do that,Russia will probably made again dreaded short and medium range missiles,from that missiles there is no defence,and you only need few lunatics on both sides to press little buttons and all would go to hell.

Sorry if i move away from topic[8D]




Monkeys Brain -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 9:26:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko

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ORIGINAL: Monkeys Brain
Oleg,

One more thing. This thing about disgrace.


Mate you never NEVER change. Mile-long posts, that I for one don't have patience to read.

I just did what I had to do. If you post here on behalf of some "club" (or nation, or region, or humanity, or species) that by chance includes ME and I happen to disagree with you (as I staunchly disagree with you on 4th reich remarks) I feel obliged to distance myself from you. It's as simple as that.





Well, no problem, distance as much as you want but your way is not good and that's why I have reacted.

First however drastic telling that USA is Fourth Reich is just another opinion. You may agree and you may disagree.

They are even pacting with Russia just like Hitler did LOL LOL LOL :-)))

It was not Germany, Croatia, Finland or Ukraine or Thailand invading Iraq but USA. Which have brought not good opinion on USA in many countries around the world. Even within USA there is opposition to this policy of United States.
Who needs to agree, I am stating my opinion and that's it.

Let them just stay in their border and not mess up with affairs of other countries and NOBODY WILL CALL THEM FOURTH REICH.

And in fact I am third reich fan boy so this is not so drastic to me (only in military affairs of course).

YOu are just jumping too much on some words, those thousand and thousand dead in Iraq cannot do even that. And one more thing as I said USA didn't made world war and didn't killed 6 milion jews etc... That is a big difference. But they did meddle in affairs of other countries which "magically" they feel need that we thank them for it! The world as imperfect as it is just don't need this world policeman who is no. 1 polutioner on Earth so it would be wiser that they work on that instead bending and twisting other countries just to suit their interest. They have big enough county and if they want to make war and play war - plenty of desert in Arisona for a big paintball match.

So in fact I didn't say anything wrong in my book of course, drastic yes. Even at that Americans will woke up themselves. So nobody should be so upset on few words. I am free to tell what I think, better than to keep it for myself.

edir: and btw, yeah it is really funny that is digraceful to say that USA is Fourth Reich and at the same it ironnically it kind of cool (?) to invade some country and kill 100000 people (just in 1991.) That is WAY COOL! Really!









pauk -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 9:28:07 PM)

we are going to hell before that anyways....

global warming, GMO...etc, etc....




sprior -> RE: What is your favorite WWII plane? (2/28/2007 9:58:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Knuckles_85

How exactly is the US like the other 3 Reichs? It's gonna be interesting how you're gonna tie The Holy Roman Empire, Wilhem's Germany, and the Nazis with the US.


"Two wrongs don't make a reich" AJP Taylor.




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