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Dive Bomber1 -> RE: More Expansion (9/2/2007 3:57:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Historiker

Yes, it is! Didn't the name sound russian to you?
Moreover, as far as I know, a massive rise of milita will come, when you enter the West Coast. So not even your 10 best Divisions will be enough - if I my memory doesn't trick me - and after you have been beaten, he has an extreme boost to for his land units...
If I were you, I would ask Tiger to allow you to replay the last turn, because otherwise, the soviets shall be active...



I thought that there were a lot of parts of the Aleutians that kept their Russian names. Oh well, now I'll see what happens with the Soviets in the game... [sm=dizzy.gif]

As far as the West Coast goes, the Allied player gets something like the next 6 months worth of reinforcements early. IIRC, the US doesn't get a lot of good infantry units in the second half of 1942, so it seems possible to do.

However, since my units will be tied up with the Russians, that becomes a moot point anyway... [sm=00000117.gif]

Thanks for the headsup




Dive Bomber1 -> RE: More Expansion (9/2/2007 3:59:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ctangus

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ORIGINAL: Historiker

If I were you, I would ask Tiger to allow you to replay the last turn, because otherwise, the soviets shall be active...



I agree - ask for a mulligan. IRL the Japanese would have known if they were invading Soviet territory or not. You might want to offer some concession (more palatable to you) elsewhere though - if I were playing you I'd give the mulligan but would want something in return.

Well good luck! Exciting AAR - Russians active? West Coast invasion? [:D][;)]


Nah - we've already had four restarts so I would prefer to keep this one going for a while yet. However, with the Russians active my intentions for the West Coast are likely to have to be put on the back burner... [X(] [sm=scared0008.gif]




Historiker -> RE: More Expansion (9/2/2007 10:44:30 AM)

you simply need to go on one to two turns before - no restart needed, but ok, you bite trhough! [:D]




modrow -> RE: More Expansion (9/2/2007 10:57:30 AM)

Looks like recent developments have moved this excellent AAR from the "good read" to the "must read" class...

Looking forward to see this develop [sm=00000613.gif]

Thanks

Hartwig




Historiker -> RE: More Expansion (9/2/2007 12:12:42 PM)

Great comment [:D]




VSWG -> RE: More Expansion (9/2/2007 12:58:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dive Bomber1


quote:

ORIGINAL: ctangus

I think Historiker is referring to the fact that Komandorski is a Soviet base...


It IS!!!???

Oh oh --- I didn't intend that...

Oooooooops -

(Ah s*h*i*t!!!!!!!!!!!)

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quote:

However, since my units will be tied up with the Russians, that becomes a moot point anyway...

Nonono!! If you manage to conquer Russia AND the West Coast you'll be a living legend! [;)]




Dive Bomber1 -> RE: More Expansion (9/2/2007 2:01:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Historiker

you simply need to go on one to two turns before - no restart needed, but ok, you bite trhough! [:D]


"Uncle Joe Tiger" and I have agreed that we won't let this "little Diplomatic Incident" cause a problem between our two Noble and Peaceful Nations and that I will immediately evacuate my troops.

Essentially, we are using this accident as an opportunity for AuTiger to reorganize his Soviet forces, similar to what many people do deliberately, and we will not commence immediate hostilities between Japan and the Soviet Union.

All that being said, if AuTiger does decide to send any US troops to try to return Komandorski to the Allied side, they may well run into some forces of Imperial Japan in the region who won't be as "diplomatic"... [;)] [:D]




Historiker -> RE: More Expansion (9/2/2007 2:03:37 PM)

No, then Russia will join the war on your side ;-)




Historiker -> RE: More Expansion (9/2/2007 2:04:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: VSWG
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However, since my units will be tied up with the Russians, that becomes a moot point anyway...

Nonono!! If you manage to conquer Russia AND the West Coast you'll be a living legend! [;)]

[sm=happy0065.gif]




Dive Bomber1 -> RE: More Expansion (9/2/2007 2:05:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: hartwig.modrow

Looks like recent developments have moved this excellent AAR from the "good read" to the "must read" class...

Looking forward to see this develop [sm=00000613.gif]

Thanks

Hartwig


Thanks Hartwig, but I'm not so ambitious that I think I can do both - at least not simultaneously... [X(]

However, after I capture San Diego all bets are off... [;)]

Dive (Gengis Khan) Bomber [:D]




Historiker -> RE: More Expansion (9/2/2007 2:14:30 PM)

Only that your plan can't work...
You said you want to drop paras at united states base. Did you know that it's base force allone has 270 Attack Value?




Dive Bomber1 -> RE: More Expansion (9/2/2007 2:47:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Historiker

Only that your plan can't work...
You said you want to drop paras at united states base. Did you know that it's base force allone has 270 Attack Value?



Does it? I didn't realize that.

But then, no player EVER leaves that base force in that base... [;)] [:D]

Thanks -




Historiker -> RE: More Expansion (9/2/2007 4:35:27 PM)

static...
Every Base Force in the US is static and most of them in Canada - and they all have an AV of over 100 - and most or all bases start with fortification 7-9...
You don't have ANY chance!
Better try India - or really go to russia or try Pearl, but the West Coast? That's suicide!
Edit: And it's to early in war for this [:D]




VSWG -> RE: More Expansion (9/2/2007 5:17:49 PM)

Isn't this stock scen 15? If it is: the base force is not static, and has no AV at start...




Historiker -> RE: More Expansion (9/2/2007 5:31:43 PM)

Isn't there a "United States" Base in stock? I think it's only in CHS, right?
And I was wrong. all the other base forces have no AV and the fortifications are a little bit weaker than I said - but I still beliefe it shall be impossible!




Dive Bomber1 -> RE: More Expansion (9/2/2007 6:03:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Historiker

Isn't there a "United States" Base in stock? I think it's only in CHS, right?
And I was wrong. all the other base forces have no AV and the fortifications are a little bit weaker than I said - but I still beliefe it shall be impossible!



"Shall be" and "May Be" are two different things in this Game - that what makes it interesting... [:D]

And again, my guess is that AuTiger would have already moved that base force out - either to replace one of the big ones at the West Coast, or to ship it onwards. He moved a lot of troops to Noumea, and who knows how much more to Hawaii and the other eastern Pacific Islands. Any way, anyone who would move a large part of his Air Force to Australia and India is likely to have stripped the West Coast pretty clean.

At least that is what I am hoping... [:D]

Thanks -




Historiker -> RE: More Expansion (9/2/2007 7:58:39 PM)

He can't move it out - unless there is something I don't know to move "static" units, as the US Baseforces are static...
Well then, you have guts [:D] but the clairvoyant Historiker says: "It will be a horrific defeat" [;)]

If you still go on: Good luck, you'll need it!

Ah - something I've forgotten... You know that even if you conquer SF and the US base, reinforcements still come? The just go to Panama then! So if you have the HR that forbids you to enter the channel - you simply risk your troops far away from home even if you should be successfull, as all the enemy reindforcements go to Panama. To conquer this too you shall know, that there are plenty of units there to protect this bases - at least 800 AV...

My suggestion: Russia or Pearl.
If you are successfull in India it's the same problem with Aden as with Panama, so I would take Russia or Pearl...

Anyway, good luck and I will read this thread even more interestet, now [:D]




Dive Bomber1 -> RE: More Expansion (9/2/2007 8:11:29 PM)

Historiker -

This is a "stock" game with the original game settings. Most of the US base forces are not static, and the one in "United States" in particular, can be moved. I have moved it myself in games against the AI.

If I capture San Francisco the US reinforcements stop - it's just like capturing Karachi in India. There is no Panama Canal in the stock game; the farthest West Coast base to the south is San Diego. In "stock" there is also no Aden. So in this version it is a very big risk for the Allied player to strip the US or India of troops.

By the way, it turns out that in "stock" Komandorski is not under Soviet control, so the Russians have not been activated. I will go in more detail after I finish the turn and write the AAR for June 7.

Thanks again for all of your comments and suggestions.




Historiker -> RE: More Expansion (9/2/2007 8:36:02 PM)

Ok, that changes it by some ways... :)

Is there any AAR, where a Japanese player conquered the West Coast?




Dive Bomber1 -> False Alarm (9/2/2007 9:23:41 PM)

June 7, 1942 - Well, all the excitement about activating the Soviets was for naught - my troops captured Komandorski and nothing happened.

Well, that's not quite true - one odd thing did happen during the combat replay; instead of the usual Japanese picture on the right of the screen there was the US blue star and McArthur sitting there with his pipe. Never-the-less, the base is now under the command of the Northern Area Force.

BTW - when I looked at the base info afterwards it said that it was a "US Navy Beach". That explains why the Soviets weren't activated. I don't know if it is actually under Russian control in Real Life, but in the "stock" game it is "fair game".

Otherwise things went fairly uneventfully. My bombers hit multiple targets in China again without any CAP or retaliation. More importantly, my troops all pulled out safely from Changsha without AuTiger being able to hammer any stragglers. I am now going to spend some time attempting to recombine my split LCUs.

The only new thing was in the South Pacific where for the first time a number of Marauders hit the airfields at Efate. They caused negligible damage. I don't know where the 4Es went to, but I'll take 2Es instead any day. BTW - I used a CL/DD fast transport to pull out a stranded NLF from a dot base to the north of Luganville. I will be using more fast transports now to keep AuTiger off balance.

Finally, a Coronado in Ceylon detected my surface combat TF just to the south of the island, so if AuTiger is watching his Operational Reports closely that ought to bother him a bit. [;)]




Dive Bomber1 -> RE: More Expansion (9/2/2007 9:25:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Historiker

Ok, that changes it by some ways... :)

Is there any AAR, where a Japanese player conquered the West Coast?



I remember browsing a couple of AARs of Tests against the AI, but I can't remember seeing an AAR of a pbem where the Japanese player attempted to invade the West Coast against a human opponent. Maybe some of the old-timers know of one.




modrow -> RE: More Expansion (9/2/2007 10:06:07 PM)

I think there was an attempt (albeit an announced one), possibly by Mogami (???) which failed. The AAR had the beautiful name "beer made me do it", if I recall correctly. Not sure though about all of this.

Also, battles in Russia were the beginning of the end of an AAR between Hawker and Gen. Hoepner. The Russians did very well. On the other hand, I think I read somewhere in the forums people had spotted a weak spot using which Russia could be strangled. If I recall correctly, flow of supplies to the units in the south is necessary and can potentially be stopped.

But let's stop hijacking this thread which - for now - will not involve Russia. Looking forward to the promised update, Dive Bomber !

Hartwig

P.S: just used the famous search function successfully. Here it is
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=911310&mpage=1&key=beer󞟎




Historiker -> RE: More Expansion (9/2/2007 10:15:51 PM)

Yes, Tenno Banzai!!! [:D]




Dive Bomber1 -> Aleutian Landings (9/3/2007 5:41:50 AM)

June 8, 1942 - NLFs landed at Attu and Kiska Islands this turn, which ought to thoroughly convince AuTiger that I am up to something in the Aleutians. However, he also has to deal with lots and lots of rain, so it will be hard for him to find out exactly what is happening without moving out from the relative "safety" or Dutch Harbor. Since the "jig" is clearly "up" now, I've started to move more air power into the region. The increase in Air Balance at my bases will also alert AuTiger, but I've done this sort of thing many times in the past, so he may still figure that this is just another of my nuisance expansions. But the "real" forces are moving up too under the cover of my probes, so AuTiger won't be underestimating what is going on for long, if he is at all at this time.

In the meanwhile, AuTiger did react to the spotting of my ships off of Ceylon last turn by moving a lot of LBA to the bases there. I am keeping my TF in the area but out of range of torpedo planes, just to keep AuTiger edgy. At the same time my surface combat TF near the far western tip of Oz will venture back into patrol plane range again next turn, just to see how much air power AuTiger is really committing to the region. And to add to the fun, I have yet another surface combat TF moving back into the far South Pacific because AuTiger has once again cleaned his LBA out of the region. I may well pick up an NLF along the way and grab yet another empty base in the region.

In China AuTiger reacted to my pullback from Changsha by moving P-40s back to Kweilin and putting them on LR CAP over Changsha. Since I had already moved my Zeros out of China the two Sally groups that flew into Changsha were hammered pretty badly. So I did more wholesale shuffling of planes in China and am avoiding the P-40s for now. I intend for China to become a backwater for the next while and my main effort in the region will continue to be to reassemble all of the split infantry units that I have sitting around in various locations.




Dive Bomber1 -> Useless AVs (9/4/2007 4:09:48 AM)

June 9, 1942 - My fast transport TF landed its troops at Amchikita this turn and ran into yet another minefield. One DD hit a mine and another DD swept some mines the "correct" way. My troops on Attu and Kiska captured those bases this turn and other than a bit of air patrolling, there was no sign of any reaction from AuTiger. Maybe I have caught him a little by surprise. So I am continuing with my massive movement of forces towards the North - if this were an old board wargame the map would start to sink a bit in that region due to the large number of units that are moving in. [;)]

Things were otherwise rather quiet, other than a group of Sallys that flew over Changsha and got intercepted by P-40s. I forgot to sit those Sallys down last turn. Other Chinese bases and units were attacked by divebombers and Nates set to Ground Attack but there wasn't any CAP other than at Changsha. As usual, I moved most of my planes again before the next turn. Otherwise things were quiet in China as I continue to relocate units in order to recombine them and make more sense out of my unit positioning.

My cruiser TF off the north-west (Game-wise) coast of Australia wasn't detected this turn so I am sending it in for a bombardment. I want to re-kindle AuTiger's interest in that region. He did bring some B-17s in on air patrol to look at my transports at Dili, but they didn't attack. So I just sent my transports to other bases.

In the South Pacific I've still got a cruiser TF heading down to check things out. If the area remains quiet I'll pick up an NLF and grab another base. Right now my long range patrol planes are reconning various bases to see which are still empty.

BTW - I received a very unpleasant "lesson" in the mechanics of this game a couple of turns ago. When I started this pbem I changed a number of 7K transports into various support ships - AR, AS, MLE, and AV. (Unfortunately, the Japanese player can't create ADs, which are the most valuable type of support ship when you are on the offensive.) Those ships just started to arrive, and to my very great surprise, it turns out that the converted AVs only have an Air Support value of one!!! [X(] What a waste of time and supply points that was. [sm=00000023.gif] I won't do that again in my future games! [:-]




Historiker -> RE: Useless AVs (9/4/2007 11:35:52 PM)

According to your intended US Landing, you should read this thread I've just found:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=666418&mpage=1&key=

[:D]




Dive Bomber1 -> RE: Useless AVs (9/5/2007 12:15:29 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Historiker

According to your intended US Landing, you should read this thread I've just found:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=666418&mpage=1&key=

[:D]



That was a fun AAR, but I don't intend to try that direct approach. If I did, I would go south via San Diego.

Thanks -




Dive Bomber1 -> The USN strikes back (9/5/2007 12:16:19 AM)

June 10, 1942 – AuTiger got into a bit of an offensive mood this turn and send a few USN DDs to hit Baker Island. My own local surface combat TF just arrived at Tarawa, so I am leaving them there for a while, just in case AuTiger decides to try sometime similar again. As usual, none of the Bettys or Nells in the region bothered to go after the retiring USN DDs that were halfway between Baker and Canton.

There was more night time action as my Fast Transport TF went into Efate to drop off supplies, but one of the DDs hit a sub-laid mine and the entire TF turned and ran. So I am redirecting them to other bases in the region that could benefit from some supply. I guess that I'll have to fly in some transport planes to be able to supply Efate.

In some night time "non-news"; for some reason my bombardment TF off of the northwest coast of Australia decided not to bombard Broome this turn. Fortunately, they weren't spotted by any Allied patrol planes during the day phase. "In theory", they now ought to be in position to hit Broome next turn, but one never knows.

And finally, some British DDs chased after one of my subs off of the south coast of Ceylon. The sub got in the first blow and hit a DD with a torpedo, but subsequently the other DDs hammered my sub with depth charges. So there is yet another Japanese sub that will be heading home for major repairs.

BTW – my wandering Surface Combat TF in the region ended up close enough to the action to be in a position to try to intercept the returning DDs at or near Trincomalee, and for a while I was sorely tempted to let them do it. But when I checked the Air Balance over the Ceylon bases and saw that it had increased even more, I decided that this was definitely a case of "discretion being the better part of valour" and ordered the ships home for refuelling. In any event, they accomplished their major task which was to make AuTiger antsy about that region.

In China AuTiger sent his B-17s out of Chungking and hit the airfields at Wuhan, destroying some Nates on the ground. The Nates on CAP did their best to intercept the Flying Fortresses, but it was no match. So I pulled those Nates back to Manchuria for more training until "real" planes start to arrive in August. I also continued with reorganizing ground troops. This may sound repetitive, but I have a lot of troops in China that need to be moved into rational locations, and fortunately, AuTiger appears to be giving me the time to do that.

In the Aleutians, my troops captured Amchitka this turn, with no response from AuTiger. One surprising thing happened – a report was received that the port at Umnak had increased to level 2. I hadn't known that there were any troops at Umnak, so that was useful information in itself. But what is very odd is that the airfields at Umnak are still at level 1. I can't see why AuTiger would be bothering to make bigger ports in the region instead of bigger airfields, but I'm certainly not going to complain.

In any event, I've got more troops on their way to various locations in the Aleutians, and I've sent out a fast bombardment TF too, just to "test the waters". At the same time the main portions of the Combined Fleet are sailing into the waters of the Kuriles on their way to meet at Paramushiro Jima. My real attacks will start soon enough.




Dive Bomber1 -> Probing Oz (9/6/2007 12:02:17 AM)

June 11, 1942 – My wayward bombardment TF finally hit Broome this turn. Intel reported that it caused Port damage and some Allied casualties, but afterwards there was still no LCU "sign" at the base, despite the casualty report. So I moved a long range patrol plane unit to Dili and set them to recon Broome next turn. This increasing "interest" in Northern Australia ought to worry AuTiger a bit. Certainly he has moved a good quantity of planes into the region.

My retiring surface combat TF in the Bay of Bengal also continued to provide "messages" to AuTiger as it was spotted by Allied long range patrol planes. AuTiger's hunter-killer TF was still out looking for my damaged sub, but the sub's commander got lucky and avoided detection. AuTiger did relax his naval vigilance a bit this turn and some of the Brit 2E bombers returned to hit a couple of targets in Burma, but without causing much damage.

Allied subs have returned to Java, but I currently don't have a lot of ships travelling in the area - AuTiger is a week or so late for that. I do have a lot of experienced Army bomber units spread out around the region in multiple bases, so I have very nice overlapping air coverage and my pilots are getting more experience by the day at attacking subs.

China was relatively quiet this turn as no Allied bombers took off in the widespread rain. Some of my second line bombers did take off and continued to harass Chinese troops in the field. I did more resetting of targets and some additional base shifting this turn for my Chinese air units, but for the most part I am satisfied with the current status quo. My LCUs are also moving along nicely and it shouldn't be too long before I have a much more rational disposition of forces in China. The question will then be – what shall I do with them? One thing for certain, I will need to bring more base forces in to provide more distributed air support for any future general offensives.

The rest of the Pacific was quiet, even the Far North, where the only visible action was a long range patrol unit flying Recon over Adak Island. Next turn will be a different story as an Invasion Fast Transport TF will land troops at the island just to the west of Adak and a small bombardment TF will hit Adak itself. I've got several additional small invasion TFs in the neighbourhood and hope to do some flanking landings. As long as AuTiger remains fairly passive in the region I will continue to put up a screen of "nuisance" invasions as long as possible.

However, the real invasion TFs are on their way, as is the Combined Fleet. I have also moved almost all of my Zero, Betty and Nell Daitais into Eastern Japan and the Kuriles, along with my long range transport planes. A large number of support ships and land support units are also settling in place in multiple locations in the region. I have been considering this move for a long time and many game-months ago I started to move small base forces, naval guard units, and construction units into the Kuriles. So I actually have a fair number of good "jumping off" points available in the region.

One thing that was particularly interesting to me was that my Recon flight over Adak reported Kittyhawks on CAP. That means that AuTiger has stripped some of his Canadian air units away from the Mainland. If I can catch any of those units on the ground that will mean less opposition as I move eastwards. Who knows, my plans may come to full fruition after all. [:D]




Historiker -> RE: Useless AVs (9/6/2007 12:38:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Dive Bomber1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Historiker

According to your intended US Landing, you should read this thread I've just found:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=666418&mpage=1&key=

[:D]



That was a fun AAR, but I don't intend to try that direct approach. If I did, I would go south via San Diego.

Thanks -

This shall only show you, how many extra troops you will face...
But well, your axis Ally from Germany wishes you luck, we are happy if the US troops are gone... [;)]




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