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Kadrin -> Weird Naval Engagement. (5/30/2007 2:29:45 AM)
So, in a current PBEM, just got back a turn and watched the results and this happened: AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/11/42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Amboina at 40,74 Japanese Ships CA Haguro CA Nachi DD Murasame DD Harukaze DD Matsukaze DD Hatakaze DD Hato DD Sagi Allied Ships CL Java CL De Ruyter CL Tromp DD Banckert DD Van Nes DD Witte de With DD Evertsen DD Kortenaer DD Piet Hein DD Van Ghent -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Amboina at 40,74 Japanese Ships CA Haguro CA Nachi DD Murasame DD Harukaze DD Matsukaze DD Hatakaze DD Hato DD Sagi Allied Ships CL Java, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CL De Ruyter, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CL Tromp DD Banckert DD Van Nes DD Witte de With DD Evertsen DD Kortenaer DD Piet Hein DD Van Ghent, Shell hits 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Amboina at 40,74 Japanese Ships CA Haguro CA Nachi DD Murasame DD Harukaze DD Matsukaze, Shell hits 1 DD Hatakaze, Shell hits 1 DD Hato, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Sagi Allied Ships CL Java, Shell hits 3, on fire CL De Ruyter, Shell hits 3, on fire CL Tromp DD Banckert, Shell hits 1 DD Van Nes, Shell hits 2 DD Witte de With, Shell hits 1 DD Evertsen DD Kortenaer DD Piet Hein, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Van Ghent, Shell hits 1, on fire The same 2 Task Forces engaged 3 times in 1 evening!! I did not know this was even possible! Only thing I find completely strange about this was the fact that they both spotted each other in the first engagement, no hits as you can see, but in the second and third engagement the Japanese got surprise and did a surprise Long Lance attack (with no hits in the third engagement). Not complaining about the results, but I think being surprised by the task force you just engaged is weird, and then being surprised by it again on top of that? That's just silly. Anyway, congrats to the Japanese players! The USN would like to have a word with you when you're done having fun in the DEI. [:D]

AmiralLaurent -> RE: Weird Naval Engagement. (5/30/2007 2:39:05 AM)
3 times between 2 same TF is the most I have seen but it may occur if both sides didn't use their op points by rushing at full speed from 6 hexes to the battle site. Surprise in WITP is used to represent many things. In your example, let's imagine that both fleet meet and exchange fire for some minutes but both commanders wondered if they were not firing on friends and ordered to stop fire (arrived once off Guadalcanal) and then the Japanese realized first who is where and opened fire first, while the Allied admiral is still hesitating. Then the Jap broke contact and then launched a long-distance torpedo attack before returning to a gun battle. Allied at this stage didn't know well the range of the Long Lance (IRL they still didn't know it in July 1943...) and so are surprised again to receive torpedoes.

Cathartes -> RE: Weird Naval Engagement. (5/30/2007 2:49:34 AM)
Is there fog of war in combat reports? (I wish I got the results above!)

Kadrin -> RE: Weird Naval Engagement. (5/30/2007 3:00:30 AM)
Oh wow, I had stopped looking at the Combat Reports you sent us since they were exactly the same as those generated in game (ruins the suspense of watching a combat replay). I think we may have gotten out of sync. I like those results alot more than what I saw (also explains all the damage those ships had [:D]). Still, didn't know the same Task force could engage multiple times in a turn. Learn something new even after 3 years of playing...

Cathartes -> RE: Weird Naval Engagement. (5/30/2007 3:04:40 AM)
drats! you read it before I edited it! Cat is out of the bag. This brings up some questions: 1. Should I be sending you guys the combat report at all? 2. Are combat reports always different? 3. When enemy ships show "sunk", can it be completely untrue?

Kadrin -> RE: Weird Naval Engagement. (5/30/2007 3:11:11 AM)
F5 is my friend. [:)] 1. Yes, I think you should. We should be seeing the same thing anyway so it doesn't hurt. 2. If we're out of sync, they'll be different (yours being the true one). 3. Sunk is Sunk is far as I know. Only time it differs is verse the AI when it'll sink but not say so (Fog of War). So I guess it's time we turn off the combat reports and try to fix the sync bug.

seydlitz_slith -> RE: Weird Naval Engagement. (5/30/2007 3:38:13 AM)
Ok, somehow the US papers printed the story of the naval battle that was intended for the Japanese newspapers. I somehow prefer the one that Michael posted above to the one that was in our combat replay file. I have seen multiple engagements like this before....4 times during the night phase as the record. Depends on visibility and op points left.

demonterico -> RE: Weird Naval Engagement. (5/30/2007 8:15:35 AM)
Yeah I've seen TFs enage more than once during the same turn. Makes sense to me as engagements don't always last very long, sometimes just a few minutes leaving plenty of time for more engagements.

mc3744 -> RE: Weird Naval Engagement. (5/30/2007 11:43:36 AM)
I've seen multiple engagements (not sure if 4 or 5) when I have "do not retire" and the enemy is in its own port. Unless my ships suffer badly they keep attacking the enemy fleet till it's detroyed.

Sonny II -> RE: Weird Naval Engagement. (5/30/2007 4:58:17 PM)
What were the aggression ratings of the commanders? That makes a big difference in having multiple engagements.

FAdmiral -> RE: Weird Naval Engagement. (5/30/2007 9:43:07 PM)
Here is a 2 time engagement I experienced with both TFs arriving at full speed: Japanese TF is bombarding and Allied TF is intercepting from Batavia. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Palembang at 20,55 (06/27/42-Allied TF achieves Surprise vs. Jap AI) Japanese Ships CA Ashigara, Shell hits 6 CA Mogami, Shell hits 9 CA Mikuma, Shell hits 3 CA Suzuya, Shell hits 5 CA Kumano, Shell hits 1 CL Yura, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD Uranami, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Asagiri, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage DD Amagiri, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Mutsuki DD Mochizuki, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Matsukaze, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Kari, Shell hits 1, on fire Allied Ships CL Enterprise, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CL Marblehead DD Vendetta, Shell hits 3, on fire DD Isaac Sweers, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Witte de With, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Kortenaer DD Piet Hein DD Van Ghent -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Palembang at 20,55 (2nd Engagement) Japanese Ships CA Ashigara, Shell hits 3 CA Mogami, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage CA Mikuma CA Suzuya CA Kumano CL Yura, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage DD Uranami, on fire DD Asagiri, on fire, heavy damage DD Mutsuki DD Mochizuki, on fire DD Matsukaze, on fire DD Kari, on fire Allied Ships CL Enterprise, Shell hits 1, on fire CL Marblehead DD Vendetta, Shell hits 29, and is sunk DD Isaac Sweers, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage DD Witte de With, on fire DD Kortenaer DD Piet Hein DD Van Ghent ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I eventually lost 4 DDs and the Enterprise is in for repairs. The Marblehead and 2 DDs are intact at Batavia & will be reinforced. I'm not sure what the Jap TF lost but I air pounded ships all the way back to Kuching where I then blasted the port for 3 days straight with B-24s. As of 7/18/42, I still hold Palembang despite all the pounding by air it goes through daily... JIM

Local Yokel -> Snap! (5/31/2007 2:56:00 AM)
Latest turn from my PBEM against Cantona - same location but about 3 weeks earlier: AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/17/41 Night Time Surface Combat, near Amboina at 40,74 Japanese Ships BB Ise BB Hyuga CA Haguro CA Nachi CL Kinu DD Kuroshio DD Yukikaze, Shell hits 1 DD Hayashio DD Kawakaze DD Umikaze DD Suzukaze Allied Ships CA Houston CL De Ruyter CL Tromp, Shell hits 1 DD Banckert, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Van Nes DD Witte de With, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Evertsen, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Kortenaer, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Piet Hein -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Amboina at 40,74 Japanese Ships BB Ise, Shell hits 2 BB Hyuga, Shell hits 1 CA Haguro, Shell hits 2 CA Nachi, Shell hits 1 CL Kinu DD Kuroshio DD Yukikaze, on fire DD Hayashio DD Kawakaze DD Umikaze DD Suzukaze Allied Ships CA Houston, Shell hits 4 CL De Ruyter CL Tromp DD Banckert, Shell hits 9, and is sunk DD Van Nes DD Witte de With, Shell hits 18, and is sunk DD Evertsen, on fire, heavy damage DD Piet Hein, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Amboina at 40,74 Japanese Ships BB Ise BB Hyuga CA Haguro, Shell hits 1 CA Nachi CL Kinu DD Kuroshio, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Yukikaze, on fire DD Hayashio DD Kawakaze DD Umikaze DD Suzukaze Allied Ships CA Houston, Shell hits 7 CL De Ruyter, Shell hits 2 CL Tromp, Shell hits 1 DD Van Nes DD Evertsen, and is sunk DD Piet Hein, Shell hits 34, and is sunk This is what happens when you bring Tanaka Raizo and battleships to the party. But is Force Z tagging along somewhere behind the ABDA striking force?

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