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fochinell -> RE: AAR swift vs fochinell (3/3/2008 2:41:02 PM)

30th April 1944. A: 331/4152 (46), X: 357/3007 (2). A satisying bloodbath to finish off a very boring month; more than 25% of the Axis KIA/MIA total takes place this turn, which demonstrates the contrast. [:)]

MTO: The 15th AF head for EFACs around Frederickshafen and see some heavy combat for poor bombing results; 32/304f 38/256b 100e, Zeppelin EFAC 24%, Manzell Jet 7%. Lots of lovely kills, though. The 12th revisit Axis AF's, the A-20's going to Bolzano and Trento, with the best being a fighter strike on Agram AF, 3/96f 4e. An early and unescorted MAC mossie raid hits Turin EFAC 41%, with the usual AF and RR strikes otherwise.

ETO: The big one; a trio of 8th AF B-17G forces head for Madgeburg and provoke the biggest LW response for ages. A massive fight develops against the 8th AF inbound and the supporting 9th AF strikes to cover the return. The 8th manage to keep bomber losses within good limits (this kind of response could easily have lead to 100-200 B-17 losses) and kill a horde of Axis interceptors and zerstorers; 53/548f 68/300b 243e, Rothensee-Elbe PORT 99%, Madgeburg RR 26% and Rothensee OILS 0%. The 9th manage 38/761f 6/96b 91e for their three seperate B-26 raids, the best of which hits Krupp-Hannover STEEL 95%, while 2TAF Mitchells do little damage to their targets but contribute to the massive fighter combat at the very limits of Spitfire range near Hamm; 36/406f 13/48b 52e. A mossie raid to the Ruhr does a further 15/88f 0/12b 22e while the Tiffies hit diminishing returns over Belgium, the best being 7/64f 0/24b 3e. Almost zero bombing results, but some excellent attritional figures for the fighter combat.

BC: 5 Group to Munich for the first raid on the city since the start of the game; the replay gives out, but it looks like they hit the target for 5/360b while the NI's kill 2 NJG for 2 losses of their own.




fochinell -> RE: AAR swift vs fochinell (3/3/2008 2:43:02 PM)

OK, the end of April 1944 and here's the losses.



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fochinell -> RE: AAR swift vs fochinell (3/3/2008 2:43:44 PM)

... and here are the Aces...

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fochinell -> RE: AAR swift vs fochinell (3/3/2008 3:19:19 PM)

And now, the things that keep us all awake at night - yes, the stats!

Overall AS 3, IND 12 and TERROR 17. This is worse than it seems, as the AS and IND score both went up by one point each on the basis of the Armageddon last turn. Still, I should be able to scrape through the invasion period with only a small amount of targetting cheating (I'm bad about VSITES, but I try and make up for that when OVERLORD kicks in).

Allied sorties and losses both rose fractionally this month compared to March, with the sorties up to 58,120 (up 3% from 56,403 in March) and losses roughly static at 3.0% vs 3.2% in March (1865 vs 1706). The biggest change was the drop and the simulatanous proportionate drop in Flak losses from 36.9% to 30.5% in April (630 vs 568), which indicates heavier air fighting than I suspected. I reckon most of that was down to the 30th April turn, however. Axis sorties rose fractionally to 15,070 from 14,371 and losses rose substantially, from 857 to 1207, or from 6% to 8%. Either way, this month represents an improvement for me in attritional terms, although I've still lost ground since the epic attrition from December '43 to February '44 due to the drop in March. Axis ground losses are actually down from 38 to 33, but I think this was distorted by the last turn and the total was pretty low in any case; I should really be using more sweeps to jack that figure up, but they're too expensive.

By category, the Axis day fighters have seen heavy 109G6 losses, up from 335 to 500, while 190A losses have declined from 234 to 189, likewise the A8/R8's from 34 to 9. The real joy was seeeing the 190F's rocket up from 29 to 104, while the new types are only just beginning to feed through into the losses, with the first 109K-4 going down on the 30th April, and a total of 16 190D's in the month. The zerstorer losses have risen sharply from 143 to 289, but they're still below the epic level of 318 in December '43. On the other hand, the 43 Ju-88C6a's lost this month represent a record. The Wilde Sau fighters have vanished entirely from the losses this month, while NJG losses have been static (31 in March and 32 in April).

On the Allied side, the reduction in raid frequency by BC and the doubling of the sizes of the raids has reduced NF losses, which halve from 32 to 15, while night bomber losses drop fractionally (118 vs 102). I suspect the percentage loss rate is slightly higher than the more frequent raid schedule in March, but it's still low enough to permit the Halifax II to be phased out entirely for the III in 205 Group, and I've cut the tedium of plotting night intruders in half by halving the number of raids I need to cover. Overall bombing results from the heavier raids have still been disappointing, though.

Heavy bomber losses have risen 424 to 634, with the main increase in B-17G losses due to a slightly more active 8th AF. Weather has been the real limiting factor, although the mediocre level of operations has allowed me to equip all new units in the 8th AF with the B-17G, with only eight B-24J units remaining in the 2nd Bomb Division. The 15th is in good shape, with plenty of B-24J's in stock and literally hundreds of P-38L's in reserve.

Mediums have been unexceptional again - dropping from 292 to 197. The 9th AF Marauders seem to be the beneficiaries, with their losses halving - dropping from 135 to 68, evenly split between B's and G's. RAF Mitchell losses have doubled, from 29 to 46, but the numbers involved are still lower. A-20 losses for the 12th AF are static, 58 vs 58, but the proportion of G's involved rose as the A-20C was streadily replaced.

On the fighter side, the P-51D enters the loss statistics with 27 - 22 of which were lost on the 30th April! Otherwise the Spit IX losses are down from 158 to 76 which suprised me, given that the number of Spit IX units has increased with new arrivals and the re-equipment of the Hurricane squadrons. On the other hand, the P-40 losses are also down from a steady level of 51 to 16, which implies the tactical forces (at least in the MTO) haven't been losing too many fighters this month, as the P-40 force has been the same size for months. P-51B losses are up from 47 to 113, but then there are a lot more P-51B units in 2TAF and MAC by the end of the month (15 sqns in 2TAF and 8 sqns in MAC vs 8 and zero in March), which has balanced up the complete re-equipment of the Mustang force in the 8th AF with the D model (thanks to OKL's policy of rest-rest-bloodbath-rest...). P-47D and Mustang III losses are pretty static (218 vs 224 and 13 vs 12 respectively), while the P-38L has doubled (102-215). But I still have around 900 in stock, so that's not a problem....

The good news is that the allied forces are now basically fully-equipped and replacement aircraft can now be completely dedicated to sustaining operational attrition rather than having to equip new units as well. Hopefully this means the weather will now break and the allies can really go on the rampage...




wernerpruckner -> RE: AAR swift vs fochinell (3/3/2008 7:02:50 PM)

just a few pictures from the German side:

A/C types used by my frontline units

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wernerpruckner -> RE: AAR swift vs fochinell (3/3/2008 7:03:48 PM)

Co-Axis top pilots

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wernerpruckner -> RE: AAR swift vs fochinell (3/3/2008 7:05:26 PM)

production
[:D] is Gavins ID score 12, because of his bombing attacks, or is it me - who is changing the production all around [:D]

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fochinell -> RE: AAR swift vs fochinell (3/5/2008 3:43:47 PM)

OK, a new month, but the same old old...

1st May 1944. A: 18/519 (5), X: 4/94 (0).

MTO: F strikes in Italy, the most interesting being the 15th AF P-38L's to Venice RR 73% for 9/48f 3e.

ETO: A few 2TAF Typhoon strikes, including the first Tempest operation as Tiffie-escort.

2nd May 1944. A: 97/3772 (43), X: 46/583 (1). OKL seem pleased with the exchange ratio, but I'm equally happy (subtracting the AA losses puts me about 1:1 in air combat, which is fine).

MTO: The 15th AF venture further north in Germany, visiting targets in the Ulm area. The usual post-bombing cripple hunt, 0/288f 14/256b 4e Ulm RR 81%, Augsburg RR 0% (cloud). Various Tac raids, the only excitement being Flak massacring a Baltimore raid near Trieste, 11/45b but SIAP OILS 81% in return.

ETO: 8th AF active again, visiting Ludwigshafen, no major resistance despite the usual post-bombing flak cripple hunt until the return leg over Belgium, when the tactical mediums in support and the 8th AF escorts get involved in some combat. A load of late scrambled LW units in northern Germany are way behind the returning bombers and fail to make contact. 8/544f 28/300b 23e Ludwigshafen RUBBER 40%, Ludwigshafen-Oppau CHEM 69%, Mannheim RR 32%. The 9th AF Marauders & Thunderbolts get 3/647f 10/96b 21e, and two of the bomb groups do well by hitting Niederlahnstein RR 88% and Wiesbaden AFAC 100%. The 2TAF Mitchells go to Liege in support for 1/343f 5/42b 12e but only do marginal damage to their targets. The 2TAF Mossie stike to Cologne/Eifeltor does little damage, but the escorting Mustangs see some combat, 4/76f 1/12b 3e, while the Tiffies do the usual thing over Belgium but without making contact.

BC: 1 & 3 Groups to Dresden; should have been 556b but it's another LGO raid and only 120b actually attack with 5 lost; what a tedioous waste of time plotting 60 NI's over NJG AF's and a further 24 RCM sorties. [:@] This is compounded by another and simultaneous LGO raid by 205 Group to Munich, which sees 28b instead of the 172b planned. [sm=00000018.gif] At least the LNSF mossies hit Berlin as required, 0/36b. The NJG remain in the Casino, drinking Schnapps and playing Skat.




fochinell -> RE: AAR swift vs fochinell (3/15/2008 3:19:41 PM)

3rd May 1944. A: 207/4559 (46), X: 152/1379 (7). Yee-hah! [:)] Losses include 80 109G6's, 24 Me410's, 48 P-47D's and 63 B-24J's.

MTO: The 15th head for Bavaria and get some excellent bombing results for once, 6/320f 20/256b 28e, Gunzberg RR 99%, Neu-Ulm 99%. No combat on the inbound leg, but the LW come up to contest the return leg. Various unexciting Tac raids and sweeps, mostly over the Venice area with the best MAC and 12th AF medium raids near Trieste, both hitting V.Emmanuelle II PORT 76%.

ETO: The 8th are busy, with a deep-penetration B-24J raid group to Leipzig. 25/521f 43/256b 61e Mittel Deutsche EFAC 30%, Junkers EFAC 99%. No resistance inbound, but a major fight and cripple hunt on the return. The tactical forces do their thing well covering the return leg, with the 9th Marauders doing 45/824f 18/96b 86e and one of the three groups hitting Junkers Halberstadt EFAC 84%. Gotta love those Jugs, enough of them being produced to take heavy casualties, but good enough to hit back like the Spit IX's really should within their short radius. On the other hand, one B-26G group seems to hit the freeze-ray bug west of the Ruhr, which is weird. 2TAF do well enough, 7/389f 0/46b 6e Deutsche Nickel STEEL 51% for the Mitchells, and various mossie and Typhoon raids, during which the first Tempest kill is claimed.

BC: 1 & 3 Groups to Dortmund. 15/545b. Some light NJG activity with no NI support. 205 Group to Munich 5/144b. Both raids in punishment for their recent LGO efforts. Yes, you forgot I was a Galactic Dark Lord, didn't you? Well, my bomber crews haven't forgotten, yuk yuk yuk.... [sm=character0169.gif]





fochinell -> RE: AAR swift vs fochinell (3/15/2008 3:32:31 PM)

Bad weather means a series of crapulent tactical turns. It was going so well for me until now...

4th May 1944. A: 25/646 (8), X: 9/89 (7).

MTO: F strikes, the most interesting being a 15th AF attack on Agram AF, 16/48f 2e. Ouch!

ETO: F sweeps. PR reveals Dresden RR 64%, Berlin 72%, Wedau 87%, Dortmund 67%, Munich 71%.

5th May 1944. A: 14/453 (6), X: 2/34 (0).

MTO: F strikes.

ETO: Bad weather.

6th May 1944. A: 29/552 (1), X: 23/302 (18).

MTO: F strikes and sweeps.

ETO: Sweeps to French AF's, mostly 9th AF Thunderbolts.

7th May 1944. A: 6/431 (1), X: 4/92 (0).

MTO: Small scale F strikes.

ETO: Bad weather again.




fochinell -> RE: AAR swift vs fochinell (3/16/2008 3:23:23 PM)

8th May 1944. A: 43/1616 (5), X: 47/350 (0).

MTO: 15th AF to Bavarian EFACs again, 18/288f 21/256b 39e, Manzell Jet EFAC 97%, Zeppelin EFAC 26%. The LW assembles for an interception south of Frederikshafen but the combat is limited. Various Tac raids in Italy as usual.

ETO: Weather lockdown again.

BC: 205 Group to Brasov, 1/272b, some NJG activity.

9th May 1944. A: 66/2896 (14), X: 36/412 (0). Losses include 23 {-47D, 17 B-26G.

MTO: 15th AF to the Vienna area again for disappointing results. 0/320f 10/256b 8e Ostmark EFAC (or whatever CFAC I always seem to bomb there) 0%, Sopron RR 0%. Various tac stuff in Italy.

ETO: Tac raids only to France, with the 9th seeing some combat. Most of this takes place against the raid on Bettembourg RR 42%, 20/144f 17/32b 29e.

BC: 4 & 6 Group stage another LGO raid to Halle. Grr.... [:@] The lead units are pretty inaccurate as well, and while the LNSF manage to send off all the sorties planned, their raid on Berlin is wildly inaccurate as well. Nnnghhh [sm=00000018.gif]




wernerpruckner -> RE: AAR swift vs fochinell (4/6/2008 12:14:35 AM)

game is still going on,

we are now in June and Overlord has begun...

....Fochinell is just a lazy bugger [;)][:'(] in writing this AAR....

but now he starts to get the upper hand in several combats because of the huge numbers of A/C he can put into the air...




Charest -> RE: AAR swift vs fochinell (4/6/2008 2:18:54 AM)

Swift, do you still have a chance to win this one? What's happening!!! :) What about those 262s?




wernerpruckner -> RE: AAR swift vs fochinell (4/6/2008 12:51:22 PM)

this PBEM is a ( more or less ) historical game - I try to produce everything....
It was not meant to run this long, because we hoped that the new version will come out sooner....but we will continue until than ( or even to the end ).

The only really ahistorical things in this game are: G56 ( Italien fighter ) instead of Bf109G-14
and that I often ignore Gavins BC attacks ( I know I can do much better, and Gavin knows this also from our older games but nightcombats are extremly time consuming).

Because of the the historical playstyle the Bf109 is the main A/C of the Luftwaffe ( at the moment nearly 4000 lost G-6 ) - the production of the G-6 variant has stopped and is slowly phased out of the frontline units....instead of the G-6 the Kurfürst variant is produced ( much shorter legs, but far deadlier )

The FW190 force is around a quarter of the dayfighter strenght, also here the A variant is no longer in production ( but still flown by many units ). At the moment the Dora is produced and in the last few months ( around November ) the far superior Ta152 will be introduced.
The Schlachtgeschwader use the F and G variant of the Fw190....both are still in production....but they will be phased out with the end of the year...and instead the Do335 will be used.

The Zerstörer units still use Me110, 210 and 410....but those A/Cs are no longer in production....instead the Me262 is produced.
All Zerstörer units will finally fly the Me262 and they will always carry additional rockets.
Only fighter units will fly the Me262 without rockets.



quote:

ORIGINAL: Charest

Swift, do you still have a chance to win this one? What's happening!!! :) What about those 262s?


yes - if I change the production lines and also the concept of this PBEM - I still can win - better said I can play in a style that Gavin will stop to play it.

I have played some powermonger BtR PBEMs on both sides.....but I am more interested in a more historical playstyle with several what ifs.
Therefor no Me262 hordes in late 43 for me - the Germans were not able to do that.....huge production problems with the engines....even if the AFACs and EFACs weren´t bombed they would not have been able to put a huge force of them into the air for a long time.... the engines were often only save for flight for a total of 8 hours ( the best of them for a total of 20 hours ) before a total overhaul.
This was the problem of all jet units of that time....Nowotny´s unit had often 20+ Me262 but only 3 or less were able to fly a sortie....




fochinell -> RE: AAR swift vs fochinell (4/7/2008 11:24:14 AM)

10th May 1944. A: 76/1860 (23), X: 20/402 (2).

MTO: 15th AF 5/298f 32/252b 22e Donauworth RR 33%, Messerschmitt AFAC 99% with various Tac raids, the best of which is a 12th AF A-20G raid to Bolzano AF, 0/96f 3/48b 8e.

ETO: Bad weather, but BC send 4 & 6 Groups to Essen, 23/556b, and attract some NJG sorties in response.

11th May 1944. A: 64/2490 (18), X: 7/331 (7). The first in a series of bad attrition exchanges as the allies try and hunt the LW on the ground. 47 Thunderbolts lost this turn.

MTO: 45/96f lost from a 12th AF raid to Agram and Bolzano, all massacred on returning over the Adriatic. Hopefully they'll fight back in the new version.

ETO: Tactical raids on French RR by the Tac AF's, no real combat.

BC: 1 & 3 Groups to Hannover, 4/556b, and 0/36b LNSF to Berlin. No NJG activity.

12th May 1944. A: 76/694 (32), 5/184 (4). A day of really terrible fighter sweeps.

MTO: 13/96f lost on a sweep to Agram AF, 36/64f 1e from 15th AF Lightnings sweeping to Zeltweg and then being massacred returning with fatigued pilots and low on fuel returning across France after the Dover bug kicks in.

ETO: More sweeps and F strikes in France. Nothing exciting, just the usual high casualties for zero results.

13th May 1944. A: 215/3930 (57), X: 156/2269 (1).

MTO: 15th AF almost unopposed with the usual miserable bombing against defended targets followed by a small Flak cripple hunt, 0/287f 15/256b 1e, Linz-PCD RUBBER 4%, Linz RR 28%. Various Tac raids in Italy.

ETO: The 8th AF get sent out with no escorts. Whoops! One of the dangers of planning your own raids while busy. 140/356b 68e BMW Eisenach EFAC 27%, Nordhausen RR 8%. It still almost works, as the LW are asleep until they bomb, then frantically scramble before hitting the tactical supporters covering the return route. The 9th AF get 4/926f 4/96b 131e raiding various un-RR-Flak-defended AF's. The following 2TAF Mitchells even do some useful bombing damage for once, Klockner Werke AG STEEL 60%, 11/475f 0/48b 29e. The obligatory Mossie raid escorted by Mustangs does even better, 2/92f 0/12b 25e, while the Tiffies come in after the fighting has ended, but one squadron hits Nijmegan RR 99%.

BC: 5 Group to Hamm, 5/360b, and 0/36b for the usual LNSF raid to Berlin.




fochinell -> RE: AAR swift vs fochinell (4/7/2008 4:39:08 PM)

14th May 1944. A: 26/2091 (22), X: 1:0. Another high-casualty low-return turn.

MTO: 15th AF miss some more targets in southern Germany, 0/351f 4/256b 0e, Obertraubling AFAC 0, Augsburg RR 20%. Various tac raids in Italy.

ETO: Some more tac raids.

15th May 1944. A: 30/975 (12), X: 7/512 (0).

MTO: Tac F strikes again.

ETO: Tactical stuff, including some rare 8th AF fighter strikes to northern Germany.




fochinell -> RE: AAR swift vs fochinell (4/8/2008 12:11:18 PM)

16th May 1944. A: 178/3893 (37), X: 86/1204 (0).

MTO: Tac F strikes.

ETO: 8th AF to Magdeburg, 12/696f 120/300b 82e, Rothensee OILS 100%, Bernberg CHEM 31%. Some skirmishes over Holland on the inbound leg, including an attack by Me163's near Schipol sees 2 of them go down to the B-17 gunners for no losses. Yay! I then pay for this in the cripple-hunting following the bombing as several planned escorts fail to show up, and the 9th AF supporters hit Flak nests near Rotterdam, 9th AF 11/764f 7/96b 23e and the 2TAF Mitchells 1/431f 0/48b 10e. No excitement from the Mossie and Tiffie raids.

BC: 1 & 3 Grp to Cologne/Eifeltor, 8/556b and LNSF 0/36b to Berlin.

17th May 1944. Rest day.

18th May 1944. A: 153/4595 (48), 81/755 (0).

MTO: A deep pair of 15th AF raids into southern Germany, 1/332f 32/256b 25e, Olhafen PORT 99%. Various tac raids, the most exciting being a 12th AF A-20 venture up the Adriatic to cover the 15th's return leg which nets 1/192f 12/64b 7e, with all the bomber losses to Flak. A MAC Baltimore raid does even better, 1/133f 0/36b 10e Porto Fuori PORT 99%.

ETO: 8th AF go deep to near Leipzig, 13/642f 48/300b 43e, Erla AFAC missed (as usual), Leipzig RR 38%, Halle RR 81%. The 9th AF supporters do little for once, but the 2TAF Mitchells do more - 4/377f 4/48b 8e.

BC: 4 & 6 Group manage an LGO raid to Erfurt, but only 2 bombers go missing.

19th May 1944. A: 26/499 (2), X: 10/450 (5).

MTO: Tac F raids on Italy.

ETO: F sweeps to French AF's.

BC: 205 Group manage another LGO raid to Ploesti. Gnnngh. [:@]




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