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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: bj_rohde

On page three, I believe the text is incorrect; emergency HQ supply does NOT put the HQ itself in supply, it merely makes units nearby act as if they were in supply.

Bjarne

Good remark.

I've had put this question in the list of questions to Harry, as the rule is clear that you can't put Q in supply with your HQ, but not clear as if the supplying HQ is itself n supply or not.
I do not have the answer yet.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: bredsjomagnus
How about making it possible to check the supply status for a single hex that you mayby want to move to but that you are uncertin if you have supply there or not? A right click menu perhaps?

/Magnus

I believe that this exists already from the CWiF days, but I also believe that such a feature (lightening, or darkening hexes that are in your supply net) to be very desirable in MWiF. Even if that takes a lot of CPU time, this will be an option that you toggle on / off, so that you can turn it of most of the time.

Also, to speed this up a little, the game does not have to check all the map's hexes, it only for example has to check hexes that are around your supply sources. Kind of doing the supply trip in reverse. Instead of going from unit to supply source, this routine would go from supply source to end of the supply net.

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ORIGINAL: Zorachus99

Feature Request: Show supply    Severity: High

A function which shows all current 'in supply' hexes.  Just a button to darken hexes so you can determine current supply status would be incredibly helpful.  Of course you want to show supply both offensively and defensively when toggling this type of overlay.

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I myself am not convinced that such a feature is necessary. As long as you know what supply rules you are using (normal or Limited Overseas), and as long as you have the necessary assets in place (TRS/cp or SCS/NAV) in the sea areas you want to project supply into, then it's not too hard to know, from a strategic perspective, where you can keep units in supply. Throw in HQs and you're good for overland supply as well.
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Could be, I suppose. But beginners playing the board game version can get on without it, so I imagine they can probably also manage without it in MWiF.

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ORIGINAL: composer99
(2) On page 2, the South African territorial might be a bad choice of example for tracing supply paths in South Africa, because TERR, if memory serves, are always in supply in their home country.

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ORIGINAL: composer99

Just a couple of comments about the first two pages.

(1) The spelling error in page 1 that I made note of (see post #8 in this thread) persists.

(2) On page 2, the South African territorial might be a bad choice of example for tracing supply paths in South Africa, because TERR, if memory serves, are always in supply in their home country. Perhaps, since the example being offered up is how any CW major power home country city is a primary supply source for any CW major power unit, the TERR be replaced with another CW unit from the UK or India or something.

The other three pages look pretty good and are clear and easy to understand. The Italian HQ emergency supply example, of course, has been discussed earlier.

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ORIGINAL: dale1066

Just reading the italian example page 4
Can the turin hex be used as a supply source as the zoc from the french cav extends into turin ? I thought the presence of friendly units allows tracing of path but only land units can do it not air or naval ?

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ORIGINAL: Borger Borgersen

Maybe it would be a good idea to have the first pages in the tutorial about supply showing the drawings you made about how to trace supply and what types of supply sources you have?

I also believe it would be a good idea to have one page showing the meaning off all the "lights" above the counters. I learnt from the text that yellow means out of supply, dark green means a supply source, red means isolated. But how do you e. g. indicate disorganized?

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I'm a bit rusty myself about how the WIFFE supply rules work so the tutorials are great to refresh my memory. [:)]

One thing I wonder about, though, is seems you can only trace a basic supply line to a home city (primary supply source) and then get supply or you can trace a basic supply line to an in supply HQ. In most strategic wargames rail lines would be the most important way of tracing supply back home. E. g. the Germans were in supply with their units in Russia if they could trace to these rail lines.

Is it only HQs that can trace a supply line back to a home city using the sea or rail lines?  I read in the rules you can trace a basic supply line of 4 hexes (less in poor weather) to the secondary or primary supply source. But if you trace along rail lines the rail hexes doesn't count towards the maximum number of hexes.

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I therefore wonder why the Finnish Mech unit can't trace supply during the rain weather to the rail hex NE or NW of Tampere and then use the rail line to the primary supply source in Tampere?  Is it only HQ units who can trace supply this way to a primary supply source? 

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Does it mean land units must trace a basic supply line counting every hex to an HQ or directly to a primary supply source.

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I guess this means German unit can only trace to HQs when they are in Russia and then only the HQs will use the rail network back to Germany. So it means you better place your HQs close to rail lines who aren't cut.

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If my interpretation of the rules is correct then it may be a good idea to explain this so people know why the Finnish mech is out of supply in the rain example. You can use the same example to explain the HQ is out of supply because it's more than 2 hexes (basic supply limit during rain) away from any rail head not in Russian ZOC.  This shows the importance of keeping HQs close to rail lines, especially when you expect poor weather.

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That brings another question. How to you manage to keep units in supply in areas with no rail lines (like Libya). Ports are supply sources that can bring supply back home, but because it's a lot of desert in Libya (meaning every hex counts as 2 for supply purposes) it means a single HQ can only be 2 hexes away from a port if it wants to be in supply.

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That means you need a chain of HQs if you want to stage an offensive and keep your front units in supply. Maybe it's a good idea to show such an example so people learn about the importance of creating supply chains with HQs?

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I guess most WIFFE novices will think it's enough to build one HQ for Libya or Egypt and think it's enough to keep you in supply, but I guess you need to be more careful than that. E. g. how do you manage to make the rapid movement from El Alamein to Tripoli as the Allies? 

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How many HQs are needed for such an offensive to be successful? Or do you need to capture every port along the route to Tripoli and use every new port as a secondary supply source? Doesn't it also mean you need have convoys in the sea areas the ports border to. So having examples showing you're in supply through a port and convoys in the sea areas will show the importance of making such supply lines.

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ORIGINAL: Borger Borgersen

Maybe it would be a good idea to have the first pages in the tutorial about supply showing the drawings you made about how to trace supply and what types of supply sources you have?

I also believe it would be a good idea to have one page showing the meaning off all the "lights" above the counters. I learnt from the text that yellow means out of supply, dark green means a supply source, red means isolated. But how do you e. g. indicate disorganized?

I'm a bit rusty myself about how the WIFFE supply rules work so the tutorials are great to refresh my memory. [:)]

One thing I wonder about, though, is seems you can only trace a basic supply line to a home city (primary supply source) and then get supply or you can trace a basic supply line to an in supply HQ. In most strategic wargames rail lines would be the most important way of tracing supply back home. E. g. the Germans were in supply with their units in Russia if they could trace to these rail lines.

Is it only HQs that can trace a supply line back to a home city using the sea or rail lines?  I read in the rules you can trace a basic supply line of 4 hexes (less in poor weather) to the secondary or primary supply source. But if you trace along rail lines the rail hexes doesn't count towards the maximum number of hexes.

I therefore wonder why the Finnish Mech unit can't trace supply during the rain weather to the rail hex NE or NW of Tampere and then use the rail line to the primary supply source in Tampere?  Is it only HQ units who can trace supply this way to a primary supply source?  Does it mean land units must trace a basic supply line counting every hex to an HQ or directly to a primary supply source. I guess this means German unit can only trace to HQs when they are in Russia and then only the HQs will use the rail network back to Germany. So it means you better place your HQs close to rail lines who aren't cut.

If my interpretation of the rules is correct then it may be a good idea to explain this so people know why the Finnish mech is out of supply in the rain example. You can use the same example to explain the HQ is out of supply because it's more than 2 hexes (basic supply limit during rain) away from any rail head not in Russian ZOC.  This shows the importance of keeping HQs close to rail lines, especially when you expect poor weather.

That brings another question. How to you manage to keep units in supply in areas with no rail lines (like Libya). Ports are supply
sources that can bring supply back home, but because it's a lot of desert in Libya (meaning every hex counts as 2 for supply purposes) it means a single HQ can only be 2 hexes away from a port if it wants to be in supply. That means you need a chain of HQs if you want to stage an offensive and keep your front units in supply. Maybe it's a good idea to show such an example so people learn about the importance of creating supply chains with HQs?

I guess most WIFFE novices will think it's enough to build one HQ for Libya or Egypt and think it's enough to keep you in supply, but I guess you need to be more careful than that. E. g. how do you manage to make the rapid movement from El Alamein to Tripoli as the Allies?  How many HQs are needed for such an offensive to be successful? Or do you need to capture every port along the route to Tripoli and use every new port as a secondary supply source? Doesn't it also mean you need have convoys in the sea areas the ports border to. So having examples showing you're in supply through a port and convoys in the sea areas will show the importance of making such supply lines.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp
Steve, while doing the screenshot for page 6 of the tutorial 9, that shows oversea supply, I found that it was not easily seen in MWiF whether supply flowed or not through a sea area.

Depending on the optional rules chosen, supply flows if you have certains units at sea. CP, TRS, AMPH generaly.

On the paper WiF FE game, those units are generaly put in a visible way in or around the sea box section in which they are, so that each player knows at a single glance if supply flows for him or his enemy throught a sea area or not.

In the MWiF game, all units in a sea box section are placed on the top of each other in one single stack of units, so if the CP / AMPH / TRS is not the top unit, you don't see it, so a player don't know at a glance if supply flows for him or his enemy through a sea area or not.

I suggest that there is some form of indicator that shows whether supply flows or not. This may be on the Global Map or the Main Map.

The Global map already shows if you have CP, how many, and also it you have TRS / AMPH and how many, so if you are used to the numbers on the Global Map, you can see supply flow.

But I'd suggest that a more evident way is used. On the Main Map, we could simply have a green light appear beside the sea area name if the Wallies supply flows, and a Red light if the Axis supply flows (or another color that reminds of the Axis side). The light would become gray (or disappear) if no supply flows. It would then be evident if supply flows or not.

Maybe this indicator would only be activated in the game if you use the Optional Rule that requires CP / TRS / AMPH at sea for supply to flow, because I seem to remember that if you are not using that rule, supply flows from the moment you have a unit at sea, so it is already evident if it flows or not.

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

Two more new pages, screen shots by Patrice.

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