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Yoozername -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/5/2007 5:04:05 AM)

Computer games have much more potential than board games.  Its a cock-eyed view of technology that wants computer games to emulate tired ass board and miniature games.



dinsdale -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/5/2007 5:52:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Yoozername

I conclude that people are playing PBEM by a forum that shows that they do. Not from my own PBEM.


You stated differently earlier.

If CM relied on sales from forum posters, they'd have been out of business years ago.

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By the way, If I PBEM, that means at least two people (me and someone else) are PBEMing? So I have logically twice as many people? Hopefully, you can see the silliness in your logic.

No, logical fallacies don't multiply.

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Many people bought the game and hardly/never play it. Try to count them. And people that play the AI, and lose, are losers. And usually their points are not well thought out.

What difference is it whether someone is good against the AI or not in regards to their points.

If you feel strongly about MMOG then see what's happening with WWIIOL.

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Computer games have much more potential than board games. Its a cock-eyed view of technology that wants computer games to emulate tired ass board and miniature games.

It's a cock-eyed view of comprehension to assume that just because someone likes boardgames and would like to see more on the PC, that the same person doesn't also enjoy other types of game.

There seems to be a theme in your posts that there is only one single true way to play or game selection. Most people are less 1-dimensional than you appear to be.



Yoozername -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/5/2007 6:38:43 AM)

You seem to make another cockamamie leap of bad logic:  All PBEM are posters.  Which is a crock. 

And I already stated that I enjoyed CM in more than one way.  Struggle harder to make some awful argument. 



Prince of Eckmühl -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/5/2007 6:50:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Yoozername

You seem to make another cockamamie leap of bad logic: All PBEM are posters. Which is a crock.

And I already stated that I enjoyed CM in more than one way. Struggle harder to make some awful argument.


God, what relentlessly vapid BS.

In all my days, I've never come across a poster that said less, meant less and was so utterly clueless in regard to that to which he claims to be a worthwhile conduit for the dissemination of related ideas. Really, get yourself a dictionary, thesaurus and a grammar guide. Failing the investment, you're nothing but an embarrassment to that which bore you. :|

PoE (aka ivanmoe)



Yoozername -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/5/2007 7:01:08 AM)

I never claimed to be a worthwhile anything.  But that dog will die.  That is a futuristic prediction that will be true.  Him and his little ears will be all dead.  Cause all dogs are vapid.

But I doubt that anyone here, vapid or otherwise, can even state the level of sales of current products, let alone speak volumes about how they are played.  So any futuristic predictions are just more canadian tripe.



Prince of Eckmühl -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/5/2007 7:10:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Yoozername

I never claimed to be a worthwhile anything. But that dog will die. That is a futuristic prediction that will be true. Him and his little ears will be all dead. Cause all dogs are vapid.

But I doubt that anyone here, vapid or otherwise, can even state the level of sales of current products, let alone speak volumes about how they are played. So any futuristic predictions are just more canadian tripe.


Deep.

PoE (aka ivanmoe)



madorosh -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/5/2007 7:20:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: dinsdale
I agree, but my desires would run along the lines of Gulf Strike, Vietnam and Aegean Strike :) The PC was once supposed to be the solution to not being able to just start a board game game at will. Unfortunately, it's never lived up to that expectation.

Right now, the killer apps in PC gaming are MMOG and FPS. It would be astonishing to see the sort of investment which would make the MMOG Company Commander, as there's absolutely no audience for it compared to those other types of game. Closest might be WWIIOL, and despite a seemingly patient and mature install base, doesn't seem any closer to implementing some of the strategic layers thrown around as ideas years ago.

I think your points on the subject are accurate and well thought out.


Thank you; yours as well. And I was waiting for someone to mention WWIIOL, which is what I think was being suggested as the "model of the future", only with the bizarre notion that instead of first person control of individual units, players would command entire companies, one squad at a time. Unfathomable.

I'd have thought it obvious too that the same principles that went into designing board games - to return to another theme mentioned in the thread after you posted - and PC games are pretty much the same. It's only a matter of implementing them. Another reason I exclude first person and hardware simulators from "true" wargames.



Yoozername -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/5/2007 3:49:29 PM)




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Personally, I so far prefer CMSF games that are at the scale of at most a single company on the largest side and preferably more like 2 platoons, and 1 or 2 platoons on the weaker side. That is, half a step to one step smaller than I liked in CMx1.



Yoozername -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/5/2007 3:53:31 PM)

I have to agree with Jason here.  Using the Real Time limits a person to about a company or less. Hence my thesis that other players, each controlling about a company, would be a natural framework for a multiplayer game.

And speaking of reactionaries...If I had some people playtesting a build of a wargame, and I found out that one of those playtesters was pushing another playtester to revert back to a previous build (for some cockamamie reason), I would remove that playtester from that games design.



madorosh -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/5/2007 4:05:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Yoozername

I have to agree with Jason here. Using the Real Time limits a person to about a company or less. Hence my thesis that other players, each controlling about a company, would be a natural framework for a multiplayer game.


Jason's comments are irrelevant to the discussion of a multiplayer game for all the reasons previously established. There's no connection whatsoever.

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If I had some people playtesting a build of a wargame, and I found out that one of those playtesters was pushing another playtester to revert back to a previous build (for some cockamamie reason), I would remove that playtester from that games design.


Your attempt to discredit the battlefront playtesters is unfortunate since nothing of this sort ever happened, nor would you have any knowledge of it if it did. Your attempt to discredit JasonC is particularly puzzling, since I think he was and is one of the greatest assets at the board, and most importantly he isn't on this board to defend himself. If you have something to say about the manner in which he handles himself, I'd suggest it would be more appropriate to post it at battlefront where he could had least dispute what you're trying to say.



Yoozername -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/5/2007 4:24:23 PM)

I am not saying it about Jason.  As far as I know, he wasn't a playtester. I am just agreeing with his observation is all.

And how would you know what happened between all playtesters? You seem nervous.




Marc von Martial -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/5/2007 4:40:06 PM)

You guys, all of you, should have fought more in your Kindergarten's sandbox. It seem to me you have a lack of this experience which needs compensation now ....



madorosh -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/5/2007 4:45:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

You guys, all of you, should have fought more in your Kindergarten's sandbox. It seem to me you have a lack of this experience which needs compensation now ....


Marc, why do you do this? You sit on your hands while threads turn to crap, and then tar the fellows who try and keep the subject on topic with the same brush as the trolls. Do you really not care how others see what is in the end your forum?

Is this topic really not of interest to you?

Yoozername and ravinhood have bombarded the thread with constant personal comments and attacks; I think the others have been patient by not responding in kind. If this was "kindergarten" of anyone was "compensating" they simply would have.

Or are you too unintelligent to see the difference between trolling and attempts at keeping a conversation going? That might explain the level of moderation. If you really don't want to get involved, then don't, but please don't stick your nose in just to insult the people who do want to use your forum for the intended purposes in the same breath as you insult the abusers.

So what now?



madorosh -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/5/2007 4:49:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Yoozername

I am not saying it about Jason. As far as I know, he wasn't a playtester. I am just agreeing with his observation is all.


You're not talking about any of the playtesters - you weren't involved in the playtest group, having been banned from BF.C several years ago for multiple aliases. You've never been a playtester, and no one in the current beta team has any contacts with you, so you're simply spreading idle rumours and gossip.

And Matrix is, once again, opening themselves up to a lawsuit by allowing your comments to persist on their board. But that's typical. You made a claim about the "future of wargaming" that didn't bear the scrutiny of an extended discussion (and thanks to all that participated constructively, it was interesting), and now you're attempting to end the conversation by lies and intimidation out of frustration of not having your scrambled views agreed with.

This is why you were banned from BF.C as I recall. I've really tried hard to make my comments in this thread about the subject and not about personalities, but you make that impossible.

Your lies about Jason and the playtest group simply don't hold any water.



a white rabbit -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/5/2007 4:57:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Yoozername

Computer games have much more potential than board games.  Its a cock-eyed view of technology that wants computer games to emulate tired ass board and miniature games.


..accurate observations..

..if it helps, i don't see real-time anything as other than a small local (but profitable)part of the market, a world market now-a-days, so in practical terms, how do i, on the Asian Pacific Rim play real-time against someone in Norway, or the US East coast ?

..the future has to be a combined pbem/AI intervention approach..



Yoozername -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/6/2007 1:06:25 AM)

Again, I am agreeing with Jason.  I have no clue why anyone would think otherwise. I am not saying he tried to roll back a build while playtesting. I am not even saying he was a playtester. So, again, you throw off conversations by putting words in people's mouths...


Dorosh, thou doth protest too much...

General Discussion
Gamers can also use this forum to chat about any game related subject, news, rumours etc.

By posting here, you are opening yourself up to the above mentioned use of the forum.



Yoozername -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/6/2007 2:46:24 AM)

http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=52;t=002901;p=3

DOROSH IS CALLING THE COPS!!!!   HIDE!!!!

and I quote Dorosh..

I'll be passing this on to the Calgary Police Service, but I do think you need to seek some counselling. My comments on your mental health were sincere. Like - it's just a game dude - and just a forum.



TheHellPatrol -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/6/2007 3:17:59 AM)

Man, this is why my kids will never have internet access while under my roof, XBOX Live okay but no internet. You guys, okay we all, need to get a life...i hope Matrix doesn't turn into the vacuous cesspool that most forum websites have over the years. We gotta fight to keep the Trolls outta here, back when Witp was released this was a great place to hang out...what happened? There is something to learn from this i suppose, always be prepared and sleep with one eye open....[;)]

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ravinhood -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/6/2007 2:45:49 PM)

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And Matrix is, once again, opening themselves up to a lawsuit[sm=fighting0043.gif] by allowing your comments to persist on their board. But that's typical


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Marc, why do you do this?
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You sit on your hands while threads turn to crap
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and then tar [sm=sterb011.gif] the fellows who try and keep the subject on topic with the same brush as the trolls [sm=fighting0083.gif].


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Yoozername and ravinhood have bombarded [sm=00000959.gif] the thread with constant personal comments and attacks[sm=00000106.gif]


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Or are you too unintelligent
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don't stick your nose in just to insult the people
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you insult the abusers
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PDiFolco -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/6/2007 3:18:19 PM)

Could someone change the thread topic to "Kindergarten Unlimited Wrestling"

Some guys here are pathetic... [sm=sign0003.gif]



Yoozername -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/6/2007 4:48:07 PM)

I find it so funny that a person can rant about lawsuits in one forum and then chides another person about 'Like its just a game dude!-its just a forum!' in another. 

This same person was chided at that other forum about not being consistant in regards to his own postings there by the management! 

Maybe that person needs to just take a big time-out and evaluate his own obsessive behaviour.
 
 



Arctic Blast -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/6/2007 5:21:47 PM)

Amazing. Well, I suppose I'd like to thank everyone...never in my life have I felt to well adjusted and mature. Good frigging god. Here's a real simple solution, that every genius should understand.

SHUT

THE

HELL

UP.



:Username: -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/6/2007 6:02:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Yoozername

I find it so funny that a person can rant about lawsuits in one forum and then chides another person about 'Like its just a game dude!-its just a forum!' in another. 

This same person was chided at that other forum about not being consistant in regards to his own postings there by the management! 

Maybe that person needs to just take a big time-out and evaluate his own obsessive behaviour.
 
 



It really kills you that you can't post there, doesn't it?

You consistently post quotes here of stuff that happened long in the past, followed up by stuff that is happening up-to-the-minute. How much time do you spend there pining away about the opporurtunities you blew while being their greatest "Consumer Tester"?

Your own obsession with certain posters there shines through every time you spew your self-centred dreck onto the forum. Why not just send Mike and Jason a bouquet and be done with it?

So why would anyone take anything you have to say seriously?

You're the guy who lobbied to have Combat Mission turned into a bulldozer simulator, ranted there daily in an alcoholic or drug-induced fog, and now spams Matrix on a weekly basis with poorly researched google-crap in an attempt to appear intellectual. And now you're going to offer mental health advice to total-ass strangers, because you're so healthy?

Perhaps you and your bed-buddy raving-hood should just get a room. I mean, it's great you found your intellectual equal and all but the two of you go together about as well as peanut butter and pickles. He's clearly one of the clickfest zombies you claim to despise so much.

Anyway, do tell us more about your 'perfect' little wargame. We know you're dying for the attention, so rant on about your company-command whatever it is you're trying to describe. It sounds like a real *yawn* exciting product. When do you go into production?

Hitting quote on your message was enlightening - if you need help getting the italic tags to work properly - I know it is complicated - feel free to contact an adult and ask for help.

Moron.



:Username: -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/6/2007 6:04:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Yoozername

Again, I am agreeing with Jason.  I have no clue why anyone would think otherwise. I am not saying he tried to roll back a build while playtesting. I am not even saying he was a playtester. So, again, you throw off conversations by putting words in people's mouths...



Your continuing lies about Jason's service as a playtester would be better served by posting at battlefront, where those comments belong. Or just email Jason and express your concerns with him directly. Why keep spamming this forum with your nonsense?



:Username: -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/6/2007 6:17:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Yoozername

Again, I am agreeing with Jason.  I have no clue why anyone would think otherwise. I am not saying he tried to roll back a build while playtesting. I am not even saying he was a playtester. So, again, you throw off conversations by putting words in people's mouths...


Lewis, how could anyone put words in your mouth? There's no room. They'd have to slap ravinhood's dick out first.



ravinhood -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/6/2007 7:07:36 PM)

Lol I feel a long term ban coming soon for [sm=00000729.gif]. This Uersname is probably Dorosh as well. Erik? Marc? Can you compare the IP's? Very colorful commentary, but, stoops lower than the levels he claims others have. I just laugh at such silliness, this is lower than Judge Dredd and Terminus lol.



:Username: -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/6/2007 7:42:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ravinhood

Lol I feel a long term ban coming soon for [sm=00000729.gif]. This Uersname is probably Dorosh as well. Erik? Marc? Can you compare the IP's? Very colorful commentary, but, stoops lower than the levels he claims others have. I just laugh at such silliness, this is lower than Judge Dredd and Terminus lol.


Ban? You're joking. If a pathetic troll like you can't get banned how would anyone get banned for anything? It's open season at Matrix, obviously. Sky is the limit.

Or are you simply worried for your own safety if people start to adopt your own posting style and expose you for what you are?

You're not here to discuss games, so what difference does any of it make? Post some more smileys and relax and enjoy it.




ravinhood -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/6/2007 9:25:19 PM)

Hrmmmm now that tone has the ring of TERMINUS lol he knows I have him blocked, but, just that tone and the type looks like him, sounds like him....I bet it is him. roflmao. hahahahahaha time to click on the green dot again. ;) <click>



Marc von Martial -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/6/2007 9:27:56 PM)

Good bye :Username:, you are on 4 weeks vacation.



Yoozername -> RE: Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming (9/6/2007 9:30:10 PM)

OK maybe there will be some news about PC by then



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