Doggie -> RE: Übercorsair and übercap (9/13/2007 2:07:48 AM)
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Hmmm, where to begin? Lets take them in chronological order: quote:
ORIGINAL: ctangus For Doggie & mdiehl: Correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to have the impression that the A6M2, in the game, vastly (and ahistorically) outperforms the F4F. Nope, what I see is a few gamers wishing the A6M-2 had historically outperformed the F-4F. If you've noticed, my remarks have been about historical reality, not the "attack rating" of some computer sprite. I know I was dissapointed when my brand new U.S.S. North Carolina was torpedoed and sunk by a couple of measly light cruisers. As I became more familiar with that particular computer game, I learned to adjust my strategy and play the game, according to the way the game functioned. I didn't go to some forum and claim it could have never happened in real life because North Carolina was the most awesome ship evah, and Japanese cruiser were pieces of crap. Get it? quote:
ORIGINAL: Joe D. Despite this, the Zero did very well vs. ill-trained Chinese airman flying Polikarpovs as it gained a reputation of invincibility, but this "reputation lasted long after the aircraft had lost it's edge. " See, Joe D gets it. And he manages to get it without calling anyone else a "moron". quote:
ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl ] Not quite correct, Doggie. It also had incredible range and endurance compared to all contemporary designs..., and part of it's reputation resulted from it's appearance where no-one expected it. And it owed it's range and endurance due to what? That would be it's lightweight construction and low wing loading. quote:
ORIGINAL: ChezDaJez Wow, an actual military aviator... can I touch you? You obviously haven't read my sig line. I have an hour or two in the air myself. And while I don't know what aircrew position or what service your were in, I can tell you that I operated all the sensor equipment (sonar, radar, ESM, MAD, IRDS, etc) in the P-3 Orion (yeah, a patrol plane but a damn good one) and think I have a pretty clear view of military operations gained from my 26 years of naval service Then why do you come off like a fourteen year old kid? quote:
ORIGINAL: TheElf Do tell...I'll extend the same courtesy to you that I have to Mdeihl. I don't know you from Adam, but you tend to harbor some of the same angst that I do. I bet we'd see eye to eye on a lot of things if we weren't talking about history(yes I AM talking history now). I've been forthcoming on my credibility vis a vis my professional qualifications. You've alluded to the same possibilty. I am standing by to establish a mutual respect... Well I will admit you conduct yourself with more professionalism and military bearing than some of the peanut gallery around here, so that's a good start. But then there's this: quote:
One personal note, and I hold this as very important when reading Mdeihl's or now your posts. As a Naval aviator and fighter pilot, what I find a bit offensive is the ease with which you speak about a conflict where truly talented, humble, yet heroic men fought a Highly skilled adversary flying arguably the best fighter of the early war in a mediocre, underpowered however armed and armored, dog of an airplane. Specifically the F4F-4. In some way I feel you diminish their accomplishments by casually stating something absurd like "mobs of veteran expertly trained samurai died screaming in their superior A6Ms at the hands of dumb ass American aviators and their obsolete aircraft". That is a personal opinion formed from professional experience and operating in a world today that is slowly but surely beginning to look like Vietnam In case you haven't noticed, there's some people here who are of the opinion that american aviators were a bunch of bums flying pieces of junk, and were really no match for the mighty Imperial Japanese Navy. Having been around quite a while now, I find this to be a common attitude among certain left leaning european college boys. Their overall attitude can be summed up as "the Americans sucked and their equipment was trash, and they only won because they cheated by producing more of their inferior equipment than the more deserving axis powers did' I recall being called a "racist" by a certain Ursa Major when I dared to suggest the Germans were not the most innovative and a successful producers of military hardware in aller zeit. I've also been called everything but a good dog for my racist endorsements of obviously inferior American infantry weapons such as the M-1 and the BAR.[8|] "Everybody knows" the sturmgewehr and the MG-42 were vastly superior firearms; the Russians won world war II all by themselves; the American army in Europe only faced third rate "stomach battalions" while it was the British who heroically defeated the elite SS, and so on ad nauseum. This sort of thing is the usual level of the discussion around here, and one of the reasons M'Deihl has been ostracised by some of the more "enlightened". And while myself and M'deihl most certainly don't agree on everything, he is infinitely more knowlegable on the subject of aviation history than most. quote:
ORIGINAL: Joe D. As for the original Zero design, there was a ridiculous rumor that the Japanese had captured American aviatrix Amelia Earheart and "ransomed" her for it. But there may be some truth that the Zero design was "borrowed," and I was curious if anyone else had heard or read anything about that. The story is the A6M was based on Howard Hugh's H-2 racer, and the cowl design was pinched from the SNJ/T-6. Or rather, some of the early variants of what would eventually become the SNJ/T-6. There have been a number of specualtive articles published about it, but there is no consensus on the subject. Some people swear it's true; others think it's rubbish. Read up on Howard Hughs' racers for more information. Oh, I'm sorry, an expert has just weighed in on the subject: quote:
ORIGINAL: Apollo11 Zero is original... everything else is just hoax (this is old WWII rumor similar to rumor that Germans flew Japanese aircraft or that German aircraft were on board Japanese carriers Well, that settles it then. Anyone who thinks otherwise is obviously a "racist" The Japanese were beleived to have operated a number of Bf-109s, however and this may be the source of the 'rumor". U.S. aviators claimed a number of Bf-109s shot down over Japanese territory, though most, if not all of these were Kawasaki-Hein "Tony" fighters that resembled the messerschimdt. The real story of the Japanese Bf-109s is sketchy, and there's not much information on it.
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