RE: KB in the Gulf of Aden!

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Gen.Hoepner -> RE: KB in the Gulf of Aden! (12/25/2007 10:37:56 AM)
I've checked Jim. Till now he has conquered everything intact in India. However he will still have to bring back all those resources badly needed in the Home Island, so my subs from PI will have something to look at anyway. Soon i'll move an AS to Darwin too, basing there more 10 subs that will operate in the Mollucche. He will have to face the problems in the heart of his raw materials production center (SRA-DEI). I hope that a strong sub campaign, along with my bombers in the PI will force him to deal with this strategical point, driving away some forces from India or Marshalls... Now i have to decide what to do with the Albacores aboard my Brit CVs.... i have two options: moving them to Karachi, in order to try to give him some headhaces to his next naval assault, or keeping them on CVs defending Aden...i'm tempted to the first option.... Anyway, i'm quite sure now he's moving at least some zeros towards the Marshalls. I've checked the airballs and saw that the numbers on Formosa changed, lowering. So considering that last raid on Manila was conducted only by non-escorted bombers i'd say that he's moved his zeros firts. probably going through Palau-Truk-Kwalajein axis.... It will be bloody...i know...you know, right?

Admiral Spruance -> RE: KB in the Gulf of Aden! (12/25/2007 1:27:22 PM)
GH.......NY59Giants is right.....you could get consecutive days of bad weather allowing convoys to get through to Karachi from Aden....if not and KB is standing on the exit from the Aden rat race I think it would be appropriate to use mass subs to transport III Indian HQ to Karachi to 2x your AV there. Originally I was a bit concerned to see you focusing on taking Kwajalein with all the defensive forces deployed there....glad to see you considering isolation of it instead. Get some recon going on the Marianas once you have steamrolled the Marshalls....you may be pleasantly surprised with the lack of defenses there.

VSWG -> RE: KB in the Gulf of Aden! (12/25/2007 6:39:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns quote: ORIGINAL: VSWG In 1942, he receives 1.182.190 additional tons of AK capacity. In 1943 another 1.866.160 tons. 1944: +1.964.200 1945: +1.622.730 Thanks for the fascinating insights VSWG, I’ve posted to the AE naval thread about possibly making some of the larger class AK’s respawnable. Do you have a similar count for Japan’s AK fleet and its lift capacity in CHS? Sorry, no. I play only the Allies, so the first thing I do when I import scenario data is to delete everything Japanese. I don't want to have so much intel at my hand, and (more importantly [;)]), the files load faster. quote: The allies can/will burn through a lot more than 12 mil tons a year by 44. They probably do, but you don't have to haul everything from the West Coast to the front. Australia produces 5245 supplies a day, and you only have to import oil and a tiny amount of resources from the West Coast, so you don't need many AKs to keep the Australian economy running. That's 157.350 supplies per month, 1.924.915 per year, produced close to the front line. India (including Aden and Ceylon) produces 14.460 supplies a day (433.800 per month, 5.306.820 per year), although you're running an oil deficit here until approx. 300 oil centers have repaired at Aden. So India can take care of all CBI needs, and can feed your first DEI offensives (you should have stockpiled A LOT of supplies in India by then. After that, you can also draw supplies from the DEI... Also, you're right that some supply runs from the West Coast need more than 2 months time (although not many, SF-Sydney-SF via Rarotonga (a safe route) takes 74 days at 10 knots), but a lot need considerably less time, too (NorPac, CentPac)! So these AKs can make more than 3 supply runs per year. Conclusion: I don't think the situation is as bad as you paint it for the Allies. You seem to assume that every Allied player loses hundreds of AKs in every game, yet I doubt that more than 500 Allied AKs sunk is the rule for a PBEM.

VSWG -> RE: KB in the Gulf of Aden! (12/25/2007 6:54:45 PM)
Jim (and Gen. Hoepner [;)]), if you're really concerned about your total AK hauling capacity, I can only urge you to NOT mix AK classes for your supply runs. If you put a single 10 knot ship into a TF with Large AKs (12 knots), you've just reduced the efficiency of this TF by 1/6th!! For the above mentioned supply run SF-Sydney-SF this TF will now need 74 days instead of 62!! Secondly, by not mixing AK classes you avoid that your TFs stops every now and then to refuel a low endurance ship. Depending on endurance + distance to home port, this can happen very often in WitP. Thirdly, your TFs will load/unload much more efficiently, since there are no smaller AKs that have to wait for larger ships to finish loading/unloading. By not mixing AK classes in your TFs you can increase your entire supply delivery efficiency by approx. more than 10 %! Not only will you have a lot more supply at the front line, it will also arrive quicker, so that early in the war you can build up larger stockpiles of supplies at your distribution hubs (Pearl Harbor, Auckland, Brisbane,...) for the late war.

Jim D Burns -> RE: KB in the Gulf of Aden! (12/25/2007 8:39:23 PM)
I didn’t want this topic to hijack G.H.’s thread, that’s why I posted the request in the AE naval thread. Let’s make this the last post here and move the discussion to the AE thread. Basically I’m worried about games where Japan does exceptionally well. That’s why I asked for respawns. If Japan doesn’t do exceptionally well, no big deal, but if he does, it can be a game breaker as the allies won’t be able to get enough supplies to the front in 44 onwards to keep the game from bogging down. The PI is probably a 2 1/2 to 3 month run and Okinawa probably longer than 3 months. Saipan 2 or more, etc. Once the allies get to these areas, 1.8 or so mil lift (assuming most of 41, 42 and 43’s lift are already sunk) isn’t nearly enough to feed the offensives. By making the liberty and victory class ships respawnable, you assure the allies will have a decent lift capacity in 44 to keep things chugging along, no matter how many ships Japan sank during 41-43. Jim

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: KB in the Gulf of Aden! (12/26/2007 11:47:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VSWG Jim (and Gen. Hoepner [;)]), if you're really concerned about your total AK hauling capacity, I can only urge you to NOT mix AK classes for your supply runs. If you put a single 10 knot ship into a TF with Large AKs (12 knots), you've just reduced the efficiency of this TF by 1/6th!! For the above mentioned supply run SF-Sydney-SF this TF will now need 74 days instead of 62!! Secondly, by not mixing AK classes you avoid that your TFs stops every now and then to refuel a low endurance ship. Depending on endurance + distance to home port, this can happen very often in WitP. Thirdly, your TFs will load/unload much more efficiently, since there are no smaller AKs that have to wait for larger ships to finish loading/unloading. By not mixing AK classes in your TFs you can increase your entire supply delivery efficiency by approx. more than 10 %! Not only will you have a lot more supply at the front line, it will also arrive quicker, so that early in the war you can build up larger stockpiles of supplies at your distribution hubs (Pearl Harbor, Auckland, Brisbane,...) for the late war. Thanks VSWG, really helpfull data! I'll try to do that and give more attention to the formation process of my TFs...i admit that i do not usually pay that much attention to this stuff... Now a little China update. As you can see the plan of the last month worked properly. The threat to Honan and Sian has gone away. Now he has moved back southwards the bulk of his units in order to face the threat given to his center. He will surely be able to break the pocket around Kuikiang, cause at Anking my forces are too tiny to hold against his 11 units, but however the goal is gained and now i have a 1600 AV/Army marching towards Henchow-Shangai from Nanchang. I do not expect to win here, but step by step i'm gaining terrain and in the long run i'm quite confident. [image]local://upfiles/4162/A5C511A2C03B4548BA1F0E2E63ED2DE4.jpg[/image]

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: KB in the Gulf of Aden! (12/26/2007 4:25:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns I didn’t want this topic to hijack G.H.’s thread, that’s why I posted the request in the AE naval thread. Let’s make this the last post here and move the discussion to the AE thread. Basically I’m worried about games where Japan does exceptionally well. That’s why I asked for respawns. If Japan doesn’t do exceptionally well, no big deal, but if he does, it can be a game breaker as the allies won’t be able to get enough supplies to the front in 44 onwards to keep the game from bogging down. The PI is probably a 2 1/2 to 3 month run and Okinawa probably longer than 3 months. Saipan 2 or more, etc. Once the allies get to these areas, 1.8 or so mil lift (assuming most of 41, 42 and 43’s lift are already sunk) isn’t nearly enough to feed the offensives. By making the liberty and victory class ships respawnable, you assure the allies will have a decent lift capacity in 44 to keep things chugging along, no matter how many ships Japan sank during 41-43. Jim Don't worry Jim, you're not hikacking this thread. My Ak/Ap losses are high,but i can handle them by now. If by Feb-42 i'm already able to mop up an invasion in the pacific loading up 3 divisions, 3 RCTs, 2 Bdes and plenty of other units, means that my Transport capacity is far from being problematic. I remember in one game against MC477 i've sunk, as japan, nearly 400 AK/APs in the pacific and still he was able to come back in force in 43, bringing tons of men and supplies from the west coast. However i agree with Jim that some ships, like Libery class, could be easily respawnable without breaking the game and giving at the same time to the allies the ability to keep on playing even against a very aggressive JAP player

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: KB in the Gulf of Aden! (12/27/2007 11:18:42 AM)
Air losses so far [image]local://upfiles/4162/544FFE62A52D477CAF00CE402209F692.jpg[/image]

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: KB in the Gulf of Aden! (12/27/2007 12:42:25 PM)
Note that when i say he cannot keep these rates of losses it's because he's not training in China or nowhere else his navy crews. He's just training his army pilots, but only one daitai of claudes is training with bombing attacks in china..

Panther Bait -> RE: KB in the Gulf of Aden! (12/27/2007 4:56:03 PM)
It will be interesting to see how the new pilot replacement mechanism in AE changes the shortage of IJN pilots. I am always thinking that I would like to save my trained pilots for my carrier groups, and use the untrained pilots for the bombers (where they can be placed out of harm's way easier and trained slowly). Btw, I am thoroughly enjoying this AAR, as just about everyone else is, I think. I have learned quite a bit about how the WitP system works. Thanks!

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: KB in the Gulf of Aden! (12/27/2007 6:00:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Panther Bait It will be interesting to see how the new pilot replacement mechanism in AE changes the shortage of IJN pilots. I am always thinking that I would like to save my trained pilots for my carrier groups, and use the untrained pilots for the bombers (where they can be placed out of harm's way easier and trained slowly). Btw, I am thoroughly enjoying this AAR, as just about everyone else is, I think. I have learned quite a bit about how the WitP system works. Thanks! Hi, glad you're enjoing the reading.I'm trying to do my best to supply the lack of english with more details. Saturday i'm leaving for a "white week" on mountains, skiing, thermal waters and "girlfriending"[:D]. Hope to get back with this game at a good pace in Jan 2008...let's hope Trollelite will be enjoing again the gameplay so we can speed it up a bit! I wish to all of you a wonderfull 2008! ciao ragazzi[;)]

okami -> RE: KB in the Gulf of Aden! (12/27/2007 6:11:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner quote: ORIGINAL: Panther Bait It will be interesting to see how the new pilot replacement mechanism in AE changes the shortage of IJN pilots. I am always thinking that I would like to save my trained pilots for my carrier groups, and use the untrained pilots for the bombers (where they can be placed out of harm's way easier and trained slowly). Btw, I am thoroughly enjoying this AAR, as just about everyone else is, I think. I have learned quite a bit about how the WitP system works. Thanks! Hi, glad you're enjoing the reading.I'm trying to do my best to supply the lack of english with more details. Saturday i'm leaving for a "white week" on mountains, skiing, thermal waters and "girlfriending"[:D]. Hope to get back with this game at a good pace in Jan 2008...let's hope Trollelite will be enjoing again the gameplay so we can speed it up a bit! I wish to all of you a wonderfull 2008! ciao ragazzi[;)] That sounds like a social life. This of course can not be. It says right on the back of the box for WITP under requirements "No social life required"

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: KB in the Gulf of Aden! (12/29/2007 11:05:40 AM)
This is the very last post for 2007...in 1 hour i'm leaving[:D] Gotta say that i'll miss a lot this match in the next 7 days... AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/18/42 INDIA: Very strangly the KB and the bombing TFs are going back towards Karachi, withour refuelling and reloading their ammos. Probably he's going for another raid, but i don't understand how if his BBs are out of ammos and surely lacking fuel...maybe he just wants to catch the last AKs that escaped from his last raid...i really do not hope for him that he's going to bomb Karachi with his Kates/Vals of the KB...would be a massacre! However i catch the chance. My P-40s are ordered to escort some 100 bombers plus 30 TBs. Max range allowed is 4. My hurricanes will stay and guard the skies over Karachi. From Malir the P-39s and the Buffalos will escort some more 40 bombers. The sky should be clear and overcast. The KB crack zero pilots have been decimated and they didn't even had the time to refill the ranks, not being at port since a week and more. So that's a chance i won't spoil. My planes will be however destroyed on the ground by his BBs sooner or later...better to try to do something when we still have some power. All my transports in the Gulf of Aden have been ordered to get back at Aden. Too risky for now. My 2 CVs are lurking in the channell, waiting for the chance to send their Albacores to Karachi...if this chance will ever arise anyway. For what concerns land warfare, as you can see his main armies are advancing towards Bohpale (sp?!?!). I've ordered to abbandon Bombay and Poohna(leaving behing only 2 small base forces).Also the same Bhopale has been ordered to be evacuated. Tomorrow, when he'll arrive at the base, none of my units will be there anymore. I fear however that not all my units at Bombay will be able to get to the crossroads that leads to Malire (the one between Ahmabad and Jaipur) before his armies arrives, so i've already set an air brigde from Malir to Ahmadabad, just in case. However the retreat plan ran smoothly. I can be satisfied enough about that. PI: at Formosa the air-balls indicate that he has moved more planes in. GOOD!!! I've ordered to my bombers at Manila to raid, unescorted, Bataan Island, while my fighters will stay and patrol the skies over Manila...quite sure he wants to knock out Manila AF asap! so to free his routes from/to the Home Island. At Darwin we're massing 40 Heavy Bombers. Soon these beasts will give him more headhaces over Timor and Kendari-Ambonia. MARSHALLS/Retribution-operation: Here we go. All my ships are unseen. Included the CVs. Tomorrow we'll try to run at full speed (10 hexes) towards the objective. My SDBs are ordered to bomb the hell out of Wotje and Maloelap in order to close those 2 AFs (level 3 and level 4 AF), just to clear the path for the coming BBs. At the same time my 4Es from Wake are ordered to bomb again Kwalajein AF...we need some good weather for tomorrow!!! The air balls indicate that he hasn't moved yet any air assets here...let's hope to do the trick. My BBs are just 2 days behing. If my CVs do their job and manage to close the AFs, the BBs will open the way for the TFs that are moving following the big ships. At the same time we ordered 2 more Bombarding TFs from Canton Island with 10 CA/CLs, led by CL Boise and CA Houston. My Catalinas and Conrados from Wake and Tarawa do not report any ship movement in the area....he doesn't seem to care much about this theatre! Let's cross the fingers guys...the hour of truth has come! 2008 will be the year where the tide can change its course! Best wishes to you and to your families for a great 2008. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Bombay , at 18,11 Some heavy bombings over Bombay.....pretty useless i'd say but surely he has been scared by my surprise attacks last week![;)] Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 27 Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 35 Ki-21-II Sally x 65 Ki-49 Helen x 57 Allied aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21-II Sally: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged Ki-49 Helen: 11 damaged Allied aircraft losses Allied ground losses: 31 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 3 Airbase supply hits 7 Runway hits 39 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Bombay , at 18,11 Japanese aircraft Ki-21-II Sally x 120 Ki-46-II Dinah x 14 Allied aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21-II Sally: 5 damaged Allied aircraft losses Allied ground losses: 11 casualties reported Airbase hits 10 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 24 [image]local://upfiles/4162/87B11C34D5F14189833BB11F0104E275.jpg[/image]

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: KB in the Gulf of Aden! (12/29/2007 11:06:12 AM)
RETRIBUTION [image]local://upfiles/4162/6229FB4704AD4943927F8356A51E5BB0.jpg[/image]

TenChiMato -> RE: KB in the Gulf of Aden! (12/29/2007 12:44:30 PM)
Best of the Best General, Godspeed and fingers crossed for Retribution success and the strike against KB; Happy New year everybody![sm=00000436.gif]

Gen.Hoepner -> Karachi in ruins... (1/5/2008 9:00:43 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/19/42 INDIA: A terrible day at Karachi. The God of Sun wasn't with us today. Clouds all over Karachi, somy planes stood down, while the sun was shining over the KB and it launched a great strike against my AF. 56 planes are destroyed on the ground and more 40 are shot down in A2A combat. the KB lost some 30 planes, half of which are crack zeros...however the RAF won't be able to sustain such great losses anymore...i bet he's staying lurking there with BBs and the KB untill Karachi will be completely conquered...no hopes to sneak an AK or an AP with reinforcements...[:(] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 113 B5N2 Kate x 180 Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 1 Hurricane IIb x 18 P-40B Tomahawk x 5 P-40E Warhawk x 6 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 10 destroyed, 1 damaged B5N2 Kate: 7 destroyed, 62 damaged Allied aircraft losses Buffalo I: 1 destroyed Hurricane IIb: 13 destroyed P-40B Tomahawk: 7 destroyed P-40E Warhawk: 15 destroyed A-20B Boston: 2 destroyed Blenheim I: 3 destroyed Vildebeest IV: 2 destroyed B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed Swordfish: 1 destroyed Hudson I: 3 destroyed Blenheim IV: 4 destroyed Martin 139: 1 destroyed Wirraway: 1 destroyed Allied ground losses: 249 casualties reported Guns lost 8 Airbase hits 16 Airbase supply hits 10 Runway hits 91 Only from Malir 2 strikes escorted by Buffalos managed to attack, but got badly repusled.... Day Air attack on TF at 18,5 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 14 Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 13 Blenheim IV x 2 Martin 139 x 2 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 2 damaged Allied aircraft losses Buffalo I: 4 destroyed, 4 damaged Blenheim IV: 2 destroyed Martin 139: 2 damaged Japanese Ships DD Akatsuki -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 18,5 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 7 Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 18 Blenheim IV x 11 Martin 139 x 8 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged Allied aircraft losses Buffalo I: 3 destroyed, 4 damaged Blenheim IV: 8 damaged Japanese Ships BB Fuso, Bomb hits 2 BB Mutsu BB Kongo BB Hyuga his subs caught 2 AKs that tried to run for Aden... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 15,1 Japanese Ships SS I-16 Allied Ships AK Mabella, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 14,1 Japanese Ships SS I-156 Allied Ships AK Needwood, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Now we've almost abbandoned Bombay and Poona. We should be able to get to Malir...i hope my retreat will go ok... PI: He kept his bombers at Formosa along with some good fighters assets. That's a great news! He came bombing Clark Fields again, which is completelt empty cause all my fighters and bombers are based at Manila. We retalieted and bombed Bataan Island, defended by some oscars. He didnd't manage to shot down any of my bombers, even if much of them is damaged. It's not a problem however. The psyco effetc of having a nail in his back is keeping him from transfering any air assets to the pacific. My subs based at Manila are starting to attack his oil TF... SS Dolfin managed to shoot 2 torps but they both got dude....[:(] Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 7 G3M Nell x 70 G4M1 Betty x 52 Allied aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses G3M Nell: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses P-40B Tomahawk: 2 destroyed Allied ground losses: 116 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Airbase hits 6 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 89 Day Air attack on Batan Islands , at 46,47 Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 16 Allied aircraft B-25C Mitchell x 43 B-26B Marauder x 12 B-17D Fortress x 9 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 16 damaged Allied aircraft losses B-25C Mitchell: 26 damaged B-26B Marauder: 8 damaged B-17D Fortress: 3 damaged Japanese ground losses: 31 casualties reported Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 27,52 Japanese Ships TK Amatsu Maru PC Kyo Maru #6 PC Fumi Maru #3 Allied Ships SS Dolphin, hits 2 Now i'm waiting for a strike against Manila...my 30 P-40s are ready to fight[;)] RETRIBUTION! The operation started under a good star. Everything went good today. We hit during nighttime a jap sub that was trying to intercept my convoys... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 92,84 Japanese Ships SS I-8, hits 2, on fire Allied Ships DD Maury DD McCall Then when the day begun my bombers from Wake hit hard Kwalajein, while my CVs got in a perfect position to launch their SDBs against Wotje and Maloleap, closing the AFs. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Kwajalein , at 81,84 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 35 LB-30 Liberator x 5 F-4 Lightning x 3 Japanese aircraft losses L1N1 Thora: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses B-17E Fortress: 15 damaged LB-30 Liberator: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 32 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 24 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Wotje , at 84,85 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 8 SBD-3 Dauntless x 53 SOC-3 Seagull x 4 Allied aircraft losses SBD-3 Dauntless: 11 damaged Japanese ground losses: 91 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 4 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 35 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Maloelap , at 85,86 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 3 SBD-3 Dauntless x 103 SOC-3 Seagull x 15 Japanese aircraft losses H8K Emily: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses SBD-3 Dauntless: 57 damaged SOC-3 Seagull: 9 damaged Japanese ground losses: 54 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 5 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Maloelap , at 85,86 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 3 SBD-3 Dauntless x 17 SOC-3 Seagull x 8 Allied aircraft losses SBD-3 Dauntless: 8 damaged SOC-3 Seagull: 7 damaged Japanese ground losses: 7 casualties reported Runway hits 5 Tomorrow we'll move closer with my CVs, in order to close defenetly Kwalajein AF before he understands the threat and sends his zeros and Betties here. My BBs will hit Maloleap tomorrow afternoon, while another BB TFs will hit Kwalajein in 2 days. At the same time the invasion TFs are arriving...if everything goes smoothly in 2 weeks we'll have the complete dominion of the Marshalls....[:D]

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Karachi in ruins... (1/5/2008 9:24:41 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/20/42 Seems that he really wants to accelerate his conquest of India. He sends a raiding TF to sweep Karachi harbour, sinking some AKs...then he sent another air strike from his KB...more bombers and fighters are destroyed on the ground, while some 20 jap planes are lost. I'llbe forced to move some Blenheims to Aden...if they are left at Karachi they will just be points for him. Again bad weather over Karachi so no counter strike of my own against the KB[:@] Bohpal in central India is finally conquered. He has nearly 6000 AV points there...really a lot! At this pace he will be at the door of Karachi within a month! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Karachi at 21,3 Japanese Ships CL Sendai CL Naka, Shell hits 1 DD Shigure DD Murasame DD Samidare DD Yugure Allied Ships AK Derrymore, Shell hits 43, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Karachi at 21,3 Japanese Ships CL Sendai CL Naka DD Shigure DD Murasame, Shell hits 1 DD Samidare DD Yugure Allied Ships AK Empire Scout, Shell hits 16, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk AK Matua, Shell hits 22, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk AK Prominent, Shell hits 1 AK Rajput, Shell hits 15, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Karachi at 21,3 Japanese Ships CL Sendai CL Naka DD Shigure DD Murasame DD Samidare DD Yugure Allied Ships PG Shoreham, Shell hits 16, and is sunk AK Memphis City, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Karachi at 21,3 Japanese Ships CL Sendai CL Naka DD Shigure DD Murasame DD Samidare DD Yugure Allied Ships SC Genista, Shell hits 12, and is sunk AO Pleiodon, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk TK Empire Unity, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 54 B5N2 Kate x 175 Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 1 Hurricane IIb x 15 P-40B Tomahawk x 3 P-40E Warhawk x 2 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged B5N2 Kate: 7 destroyed, 30 damaged Allied aircraft losses Hurricane IIb: 7 destroyed, 2 damaged P-40B Tomahawk: 3 destroyed P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed Blenheim I: 2 destroyed A-20B Boston: 2 destroyed B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed Martin 139: 1 destroyed Vildebeest IV: 2 destroyed Hudson I: 1 destroyed Wirraway: 1 destroyed Allied Ships TK Empire Druid, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage TK Empire Diplomat, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AK Empire Lake, Bomb hits 1, on fire SC Fritillary, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Allied ground losses: 166 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Airbase hits 4 Runway hits 38 Port hits 4 Port supply hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Bhopal Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 5044 troops, 52 guns, 76 vehicles, Assault Value = 2684 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese max assault: 138 - adjusted assault: 65 Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 65 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Bhopal base !!! In the PI no strike against Manila... In the Mastahalls another god day! We attacked Kwajalein with our 4Es from Wake and with our carrier SDBs...we lost some SDB due to flak, but the base is now out of order[;)] The way to the Marshalls is now open[8D] At the same time our BBs smashed Maloleap...everything is going good. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Kwajalein , at 81,84 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 24 LB-30 Liberator x 6 F-4 Lightning x 3 Japanese aircraft losses L1N1 Thora: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses B-17E Fortress: 7 damaged LB-30 Liberator: 3 damaged F-4 Lightning: 1 destroyed Japanese ground losses: 42 casualties reported Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 9 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Wotje , at 84,85 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 SBD-3 Dauntless x 12 SOC-3 Seagull x 6 Allied aircraft losses SBD-3 Dauntless: 3 damaged SOC-3 Seagull: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 28 casualties reported Runway hits 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Kwajalein , at 81,84 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 8 SBD-3 Dauntless x 145 SOC-3 Seagull x 1 Japanese aircraft losses L1N1 Thora: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses SBD-3 Dauntless: 8 destroyed, 64 damaged[:(] Japanese ground losses: 270 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Airbase hits 6 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 68 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Maloelap, at 85,86 - Coastal Guns Fire Back![:D] 3 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships CA San Francisco CA Minneapolis BB Mississippi BB California BB Oklahoma BB West Virginia Japanese ground losses: 943 casualties reported Guns lost 11 Airbase hits 3 Airbase supply hits 4 Runway hits 53 Port hits 7 Port fuel hits 9 Port supply hits 14 In China he managed to mass his forces at Anking...we are pushed back...now the pocket i've created is open again...however i gained a lot of time and i feel confortable in China anyway. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Anking Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 229518 troops, 1135 guns, 174 vehicles, Assault Value = 5851 Defending force 37832 troops, 75 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 962 Japanese max assault: 5770 - adjusted assault: 5977 Allied max defense: 676 - adjusted defense: 89 Japanese assault odds: 67 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 2987 casualties reported Guns lost 19 Vehicles lost 1 Allied ground losses: 3495 casualties reported Guns lost 19 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Screen shots will follow in the next posts....

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Karachi in ruins... (1/6/2008 12:29:01 PM)
Ok, time to update the 3 main theatres of this bloody war. The first one, obviously is India. As you can see from the screenshot attached, the British armies are retreating towards Malir, using two mid-step at Adamabad and Jaipur. He has just conquered Bhopal with 4 divisions (55th,33rd, 2nd Guards and 21st), plus 2 mix regiments and the 56th Bde, along with 5 tank units and 4 Eng regiments. The goal now is to get to Malir before he closes our retreat door. Timing will be decisive now. Making some calculation i think i'll be able to save most of my major units. Probably i'll lose some base forces, but i have enough of them at Karachi so i don't really care. The KB remains lurking in the waters west of Karachi. It keeps on pounding the AF there, helped by the weather which seems not to smile upon the Brits for now... Anyway it's costing him a lot in terms of pilots lost. In the last run he has lost some 20 crack kate pilots and some more 10 zeros...which means that now the KB has lost nearly the 30% of his best experienced pilots. Clearly if he succeeds in conquering Karachi fast enough these losses will be compensated by the great objective of kicking out the brits of the war. I have 4 subs looking for an opportunity shot against the KB but i do not count much on them due to the presence of a number of Vals on naval search.... however who knows...[;)] The RN is still completely intact, but confined at Aden, waiting for a chance... The KB sooner or later will have to retire southwards to refuel... The RAF is in bad shape by now. However those pilots who survived are now well experienced and they will stay there untill the end... [image]local://upfiles/4162/23270FFFF846460F8055D24C1EB6A07F.jpg[/image]

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Karachi in ruins... (1/6/2008 12:41:15 PM)
Marshalls. Now all his AFs in this area are closed and inoperable. The combined action of CVs,BBs and 4Es from Wake has closed Kwalajein, Wotje and Maloleap. In 5 days our landing TFs will be ready to attack the planned objective, while Jaluit will be conquered by 2 NZ bdes from Tarawa. He cannot send no more his zeros and betties to this threate. He doesn't have any naval assets able to contrast our pacific fleet. I really think, not to be too optimistic, that the RETRIBUTION operation will go smooth and that by the end of March We'll be able to advance even further... [image]local://upfiles/4162/D0DFE3E05B3249C9A2E9ED15B5A374C1.jpg[/image]

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Karachi in ruins... (1/6/2008 12:42:03 PM)
Future plans in the Pacific... [image]local://upfiles/4162/8A8F29576384435C87A8E449B213F020.jpg[/image]

kfmiller41 -> RE: Karachi in ruins... (1/6/2008 12:49:25 PM)
great AAR Gen Hoepner. I have been readin this with interest seeing as we are playing a version of this scenario in our 2 x 2 game. You have much more patience with trollite than i would[:D] and I hope you win. Did you by chance ever play combat mission? Your name sounds so familure for some reason.

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Karachi in ruins... (1/6/2008 1:01:48 PM)
Hi Miller, no i haven't played CM...maybe we've played a witp PBEM some time ago....i remember a "Miller" back in my first days of WITP.... Thanks for reading [;)]

kfmiller41 -> RE: Karachi in ruins... (1/6/2008 1:07:11 PM)
thats what it was, I am getting old and forget things easily, your much better at this now[:D] as I have regressed to a pure target for people to practice on[;)] I spent 3 years in Italy many years ago, in Gaeta[8\|] Oh what do you use to take your screenshots with

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Karachi in ruins... (1/6/2008 1:34:46 PM)
I simply use "print" key then i paste it in Paint and voilà! However guys, i really do not understand Trollelite's strategy here. I mean: he will need at least 1/2 more months to reduce Karachi and conquer India (without Aden). Then at least some more 4 weeks to bring his major assets back to the pacific...by that time (April 42 at least) i should be already well stationed in the Marshalls, whith tons of bombers and fighters threating Truk... isn't that too risky for him to let the allies so early so close to the Mariannas??[&:]

kfmiller41 -> RE: Karachi in ruins... (1/6/2008 1:48:27 PM)
I would think so, if for no other reason than he has suffered very heavy aircraft and pilot losses and digging you out of those islands without alot of LBA is going to get expensive. Will he get an auto victory if he finishes India and loses nothing else besides what you have already taken? It is still early enough that he may be able to push you out of there even if your dug in.

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Karachi in ruins... (1/6/2008 3:32:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: miller41 I would think so, if for no other reason than he has suffered very heavy aircraft and pilot losses and digging you out of those islands without alot of LBA is going to get expensive. Will he get an auto victory if he finishes India and loses nothing else besides what you have already taken? It is still early enough that he may be able to push you out of there even if your dug in. mmm...By the end of March in the Marshalls i'll have deployed 4 full divisions (24th,25th, 2nd USMC and the Americal Div - the latter is en route to PH from Panama in these days), plus 4 US RCTs, 2 NZ Bdes, 5 CD Marine units, tons of AA and Arty units plus some 500 LB planes and the entire Pacific Fleet...sincerly i think it's enough not to fear a japanese coming back. It will be more likely that after/when/If India is conquered he will send all his crack divisions to the Mariannas and to the PI, trying both to neutralize the McHartur armies and to defend the Mariannas which are the gates for Japan...

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Karachi in ruins... (1/6/2008 5:17:30 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/21/42 The retribution operation keeps on going as scheldued. Our BBs bombed Kwajalein and Maloleap today, followed by the SDBs that ruined Wotje Airfield again. Our Transport TFs are just 3 days away from Maloleap and Wotje. There isn't sign of enemy activities in the area. Only a single sub is spotted fleeing away. Tomorrow will be time for my cruisers bombing TFs to open the door...enemy defences have been easily annihilated. In India Pangim base falls, after 2 weeks of heavy bombings...1 full jap division and 3 more strong SNFL units were simply too much to handle...now he has a level 4 port very close to Bombay.... sub-minelayin operations are ordered from Aden... The Kb remains out of range for my bombers at Karachi today...but still lingers between Karachi and Aden, stopping me to send any cargo to Karachi...wonder the shape of those CVs now...they've been around for 3 months without any pause... In the PI, Cayegan finally falls, after a long siege of 2 months...now the Whole Mindanao is in Jap's hands... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Maloelap, at 85,86 Allied Ships DD Conyngham DD Case DD Lamson DD Drayton DD Mahan CA San Francisco CA Minneapolis BB Mississippi BB California BB Oklahoma BB West Virginia Airbase hits 1 Runway hits 25 Port hits 1 Port fuel hits 1 Port supply hits 6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Kwajalein, at 81,84 - Coastal Guns Fire Back! Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses E7K2 Alf: 1 destroyed 85 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships CA Astoria, Shell hits 17 CA New Orleans BB Warspite, Shell hits 14 BB New Mexico BB Tennessee BB Arizona, Shell hits 5 Japanese ground losses: 2662 casualties reported Guns lost 38 Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 21 Port hits 12 Port fuel hits 5 Port supply hits 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 12,2 near Aden Channell Japanese Ships SS I-153 Allied Ships AP Empress of Australia, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage[:@] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Pangim Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 17285 troops, 110 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 508 Defending force 3180 troops, 19 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 36 Japanese max assault: 928 - adjusted assault: 341 Allied max defense: 18 - adjusted defense: 10 Japanese assault odds: 34 to 1 (fort level 3) Japanese forces CAPTURE Pangim base !!! Japanese ground losses: 44 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Allied ground losses: 291 casualties reported Guns lost 6 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Cagayan Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 11541 troops, 35 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 330 Defending force 5373 troops, 21 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 163 Japanese max assault: 278 - adjusted assault: 228 Allied max defense: 115 - adjusted defense: 82 Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Cagayan base !!! Japanese ground losses: 573 casualties reported Guns lost 13 Allied ground losses: 6656 casualties reported Guns lost 23

ny59giants -> RE: Karachi in ruins... (1/6/2008 5:44:34 PM)
Great AAR to read as this is something that I have not seen before. Questions about Karachi: What level forts do you have now?? How many engineers do you have there to repair damages from repeated AF attacks?? Looks like he is willing to sacrifice his KB pilots to keep you from building up Karachi for a prolonged siege. This may continue until he feels he has enough LBA to take over. If he can prevent your buildup, the actual siege may be shorter than you want. [:(] If you don't consider it "gamey" send some of the high capacity Amercian subs to Aden to be used to evac fragments from Karachi (when it gets close to falling). In the meantime, they can be used to mine his ports and some of the coastal hexes.

TenChiMato -> RE: Karachi in ruins... (1/6/2008 6:24:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner It will be more likely that after/when/If India is conquered he will send all his crack divisions to the Mariannas and to the PI, trying both to neutralize the McHartur armies and to defend the Mariannas which are the gates for Japan... Talking about the Mariannas can you put some subs around now and start a sub mining op around to slow him down in his future reinforcement attempts?

aztez -> RE: Karachi in ruins... (1/6/2008 6:30:26 PM)
Nice AAR! I think Marshalls will be safely on your hands soon. Marianas would be great bonus to have and I can imagine how much gray hairs that would raise in Trollelite head! [:D]

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