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Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Karachi in ruins... (1/10/2008 3:38:10 PM)
For what concerns pacific, nothing much has happened in the last week, a part from those 4 subs hit by mines and Vals at Truk. We're massing our forces, keeping an eye well open on our back...do not want to be caught off guard at Wake, Canton Isl. or Tarawa. Finally the engeeneers are arriving and the bases newly conquered are being building up quite fast. Now i'm gonna wait for Eniwetok to be built, then we'll start bombing Ponape. At the same time we'll keep on training our air crews at Kwalajein. It's amazing how Japan can easily master thousands of planes in India and China and at the same time having 200 fighters at Formosa and more 300 planes at Truk... at the moment i simply cannot compete with those numbers...

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Karachi in ruins... (1/10/2008 3:42:53 PM)
In Luzon i have 2000 AVs. Not very well experienced as you know, but not even that bad, considering that he won't probably use his BBs here...with almost 8 forts it will be a pain for him to try to siege the city once i'll had moved back everyone to there. Manila will last for some time. Karachi is another thing i fear...his BBs can really change the course of the war there...But i cannot do much more now anyway, so i just have to wait and see....

jumper -> RE: Karachi in ruins... (1/10/2008 3:51:46 PM)
Hi, maybe you could move your main combat units out of Karachii to avoid bombardment too (at least for now, when you still have the space).. But considering the way he is using paradrops, it might be too risky..

Elladan -> RE: Karachi in ruins... (1/10/2008 4:07:11 PM)
Take a look at which units take the pounding from BBs. If I remember right it will be base forces that suffer, not combat ones. You may also want to divide your Australian and British divisions, so they are not that much vulnerable to bombardment. Every little helps in your situation.

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Karachi in ruins... (1/10/2008 4:59:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Elladan Take a look at which units take the pounding from BBs. If I remember right it will be base forces that suffer, not combat ones. You may also want to divide your Australian and British divisions, so they are not that much vulnerable to bombardment. Every little helps in your situation. Yes, BBs tend to pound mainly base forces, engeneers, Arty, AA, CD units and HQs, but very slightly the combat units. Yes, i'll switch to three regiments both our 2 divisions there...Thx for remembering![;)] However...tomorrow will be the first bombardment run day...i bet it will be a massacre! And as Jumper said, moving up and down my units from Karachi to Malir can be really risky due to the para drops that can catapult my units to the desert...so i will probably not do that

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Karachi in ruins... (1/10/2008 6:16:39 PM)
Now i've moved my Manila Air Force (MAF) to China. these 3 fighter units will have to rest a bit, refill their ranks and possibly we'll start ambush here and there his bombing missions in China, where he has so many targets that if he wants to escort everyone of them he'll need to spare a lot of fighters in this theatre! My Manila bombers will be moved to Chunking. Also these guys, after some rest and refitt, will cause some problems to the damned Japanese advance towards Changsha...Let's see what we can do. It's a very tough war, but the allies are far from being beaten and my morale is far from being low! BONSAI![:D]

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Karachi in ruins... (1/10/2008 6:24:02 PM)
The MAF is composed by 2nd and 3rd AVG group and by the 53th fighters group. I'd really like to have some more P-40s in my pools...if only i could sustain more than 1 day of heavy fighting i could have some hope to hold a given position...but with so few i really cannot hope to do anything more than some nuiance...[:@]

witpqs -> RE: Karachi in ruins... (1/11/2008 4:33:51 AM)
Just a caution - he might have LCU's with those BB's and the KB. A bright note - Zero Bonus will expire soon. When he gets back to the Pacific, the odds are evened out!

eloso -> RE: Karachi in ruins... (1/11/2008 6:29:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs Just a caution - he might have LCU's with those BB's and the KB. A bright note - Zero Bonus will expire soon. When he gets back to the Pacific, the odds are evened out! The zero bonus doesn't exist in this version of CHS. Allied pilot experience is reduced across the board to compensate.

Gen.Hoepner -> Karachi bites back!!!! (1/11/2008 8:55:03 AM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/11/42 What a turn!!!! Storms everywhere in India...not a single plane, mine or his, was able to take off in the morning. My Catalinas reported the enemy KB getting closer to Karachi escorting the BBs.... He sent during the night a SCTF to sink the poor MLE that was trying to leave Karachi harbour...and a DD got a mine in her stomache[:D] Always during the night some of my night-fighter bombers managed to lunch a strike against his CVs...nothing achieved but it's good to see these guys doing something sometimes! But the show starts in the afternoon... Sky over Malir is clear again... firstly 2 unescorted raids that crushed on 266 zeros CAP!!..none of my planes survived to these raid... Then the main one...escorted by some 70 allied fighters! The last big raid i could effort...was sure that after today he would have destroyed the RAF...(with Ademabad built up to level 4 along with Jaipur...)...and my bombers got through!!! The sacrifice of my brave fighters was well worth!!! 3 ammo storage explosion of 2 CVEs and on CV Kaga!!![:D][:D][:D][:D] The mighty power of the KB finally gets hurt somehow!! My subs are immediately detached to hunt down to Bombay the damaged carriers...let's cross the fingers! I know this is not resolutive...tomorrow my Indian Air Force will be wiped out from the skies...but it's however a great victory imho!! A day we've been waiting for 4 long months of war.... We've lost 156 planes today...against 40 zeros...a bad trade off but more 40 of his crack zeros are gone! and more important 2CVEs are out of action along with a CV! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 52 encounters mine field at Karachi (21,3) Japanese Ships DD Ayanami, Mine hits 1[8D] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on TF at 19,5 Allied aircraft Blenheim IF x 6 Allied aircraft losses Blenheim IF: 4 damaged Japanese Ships CV Zuikaku CV Soryu Aircraft Attacking: 2 x Blenheim IF bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Blenheim IF bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Karachi at 21,3 Japanese Ships CL Natori DD Shikinami DD Ayanami Allied Ships MLE Prome, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 19,5 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 232 Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 2 Martin 139 x 5 Hudson I x 3 P-40B Tomahawk x 8 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 14 damaged Allied aircraft losses Buffalo I: 2 destroyed Martin 139: 5 destroyed Hudson I: 3 destroyed P-40B Tomahawk: 8 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 19,5 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 232 Allied aircraft Hurricane IIb x 2 Blenheim I x 8 Blenheim IV x 6 Martin 139 x 2 A-20B Boston x 6 B-25C Mitchell x 3 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 16 damaged Allied aircraft losses Hurricane IIb: 2 destroyed Blenheim I: 8 destroyed Blenheim IV: 6 destroyed Martin 139: 2 destroyed A-20B Boston: 6 destroyed B-25C Mitchell: 3 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 20,6 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 40 Allied aircraft Blenheim I x 3 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 2 damaged Allied aircraft losses Blenheim I: 2 destroyed Japanese Ships DD Ayanami Aircraft Attacking: 1 x Blenheim I bombing at 11000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 19,5 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 184 Allied aircraft Swordfish x 12 Wirraway x 3 Hurricane IIb x 32 Blenheim I x 14 Blenheim IV x 42 Hudson I x 3 P-39D Airacobra x 12 P-40B Tomahawk x 13 P-40E Warhawk x 15 A-20B Boston x 23 B-25C Mitchell x 14 B-17E Fortress x 6 P-43A Lancer x 4 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 38 destroyed, 38 damaged Allied aircraft losses Swordfish: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged Wirraway: 3 destroyed Hurricane IIb: 26 destroyed Blenheim I: 6 destroyed, 2 damaged Blenheim IV: 8 destroyed, 24 damaged Hudson I: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged P-39D Airacobra: 11 destroyed P-40B Tomahawk: 13 destroyed P-40E Warhawk: 13 destroyed A-20B Boston: 6 destroyed, 10 damaged B-25C Mitchell: 3 destroyed, 4 damaged B-17E Fortress: 6 damaged P-43A Lancer: 4 destroyed Japanese Ships BB Ise CVE Taiyo, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage CV Kaga, Bomb hits 2, on fire CVE Hosho, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage CVL Ryujo [:D][:D][:D][:D] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [image]local://upfiles/4162/3A031E85F5F64A219E4B1EF73BC45965.jpg[/image]

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Karachi bites back!!!! (1/11/2008 8:56:16 AM)
a 500lb bomb penetrates the Kaga's deck... [image]local://upfiles/4162/9BC907250B264C558D610B49B6FEA4EE.jpg[/image]

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Karachi bites back!!!! (1/11/2008 8:57:11 AM)
The air losses...a carnage! [image]local://upfiles/4162/FABAD1677E2645B2BB9CEC4ACE270776.jpg[/image]

cantona2 -> RE: Karachi bites back!!!! (1/11/2008 9:51:29 AM)
GH the whole of the free loving people's of this world stand behind you great strike [:D] any comments from the troll yet?

Elladan -> RE: Karachi bites back!!!! (1/11/2008 10:07:42 AM)
Congrats mate :) Kaga's explosion might be a FoW but you can scrap those 2 CVEs. I wouldn't be surprised if they show on sunken list soon. Nice morale booster for defenders of Karachi ;) He has lost a bloody lot of IJN pilots, his squadrons must be full of rookies by this time. Is he training his crews somewhere?

witpqs -> RE: Karachi bites back!!!! (1/11/2008 10:34:16 AM)
Great strike, yes! Optimistically, maybe Kaga had some flooding damage and got slowed down by system damage too - go submarines, go! I am expecting some lamentations in the "The relative strength of both sides in WITP" thread in the main forum.

Hortlund -> RE: Karachi bites back!!!! (1/11/2008 10:38:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Elladan Congrats mate :) Kaga's explosion might be a FoW but you can scrap those 2 CVEs. I wouldn't be surprised if they show on sunken list soon. Nice morale booster for defenders of Karachi ;) He has lost a bloody lot of IJN pilots, his squadrons must be full of rookies by this time. Is he training his crews somewhere? Its early enough in the game to have good enough replacement pilots. I dont think his average experience is below 75-80.

Hortlund -> RE: Karachi bites back!!!! (1/11/2008 10:39:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs Great strike, yes! Optimistically, maybe Kaga had some flooding damage and got slowed down by system damage too - go submarines, go! I am expecting some lamentations in the "The relative strength of both sides in WITP" thread in the main forum. Check his last post in his own AAR-thread. That guy is really something.

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Karachi bites back!!!! (1/11/2008 10:43:41 AM)
Hi all. He's training his crews in China and in India(here against the sorrounded units left behind during my retreat). However i've seen very few claudes/zeros on training. Almost all of the active IJN sentais are in the front lines (Formosa, India, Luzon and Truk). However i do not care much about those pilots (despite is damned feeling good to have them downed). The good thing is that the KB will be a bit less mighty in the next months, with the Kaga probably staying in port for some months and 2 CVEs hopefully out of action (if not sunk) for even more! This engagement prooved however that even against a strong CAP with this experimental mod the leakers to work pretty well and many bandits get through....gotta pay attention in the future...this means also no allied DS and TONS of Kamikaze hits!!

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Karachi bites back!!!! (1/11/2008 10:48:58 AM)
Lex and Saratoga are going back to PH and West Coast in order to get their march upgrades, along with some more naval assets. At the same time troops and planes keep on flowing to the Marshalls... think i can send my CVs back quite safely now. They've done a very good work and their crews need some rest after 2 months constantly on the seas...

cantona2 -> RE: Karachi bites back!!!! (1/11/2008 10:58:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs Great strike, yes! Optimistically, maybe Kaga had some flooding damage and got slowed down by system damage too - go submarines, go! I am expecting some lamentations in the "The relative strength of both sides in WITP" thread in the main forum. Check his last post in his own AAR-thread. That guy is really something. he doesnt take the biscuit, he takes the whole damn packet!!!!

castor troy -> RE: Karachi bites back!!!! (1/11/2008 11:40:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cantona2 GH the whole of the free loving people's of this world stand behind you great strike [:D] any comments from the troll yet? yeah, the troll said it was because of bad die rolls... [sm=crazy.gif] sorry but this guy is really plain silly... all those comments on what a great player he is and so on... 236 Zeroes on Cap... [>:] not much more to say than the guy is nuts...

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Karachi bites back!!!! (1/11/2008 1:22:14 PM)
Guys, please, refrain from posting things read on Trollelite's thread here...it's not kind nor fair because he cannot read this thread.. Thanks

cantona2 -> RE: Karachi bites back!!!! (1/11/2008 1:48:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner Guys, please, refrain from posting things read on Trollelite's thread here...it's not kind nor fair because he cannot read this thread.. Thanks as you order Herr General[:D]

Gen.Hoepner -> Karachi NUKED and saratoga torpedoed... (1/11/2008 2:14:56 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/12/42 So i got to pay the victory of yesterday...a very bad day, even if i cannot tell the real results because i recieved only the reply... However...he sent another SCTF...a CL and a DD got two mines at Karachi, and my subs didn't get a single torpedo finding the target[:@] The arrived the BBs...20k deads at Karachi, base closed and my precious supplies really burnt...the base has been really NUKED[:(][:(][:(] Then a storm of 300 japanese bombers, escorted by hundreds of Oscars stormed Malir...he paid however an heavy price for the results he achieved... But the worst news of the day was in the Pacific. As said the Saratoga and the Lex were going back to PH...well escorted as usual...we engaged a sub during the night...it escaped from my DDs and managed to get a fish into the Sara...Fuel Storage Explosion[:o][:o][:o]...can't wait to see how many damages she got..[:@][:@]...hope not to lose her... uffff[:(]...anyway the american Repair Yards can do magics, so i'm still confident! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 113 encounters mine field at Karachi (21,3) Japanese Ships CL Nagara, Mine hits 1, on fire[:D] DD Ushio, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage[:D] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 91,82 Japanese Ships SS I-15, hits 2 Allied Ships DD Ward DD Pillsbury DD Litchfield The damned I-15 was tenacious...[:@] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Karachi at 21,3 Japanese Ships CL Nagara, on fire DD Ushio, on fire, heavy damage DD Murakumo DD Inazuma Allied Ships SS KXIV Torpedo missed!![:@] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 91,82 Japanese Ships SS I-15, hits 4 you damned bastard!!!![:@][:@][:@][:@][:@][:@][:@][:@][:@][:@][:@][:@][:@] Allied Ships CV Saratoga, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD Ward DD Pillsbury -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3 Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses Dakota I: 4 destroyed C-47 Dakota: 8 destroyed Lockheed 212: 1 destroyed C-60A Lodestar: 1 destroyed PBY Catalina: 1 destroyed Lysander I: 2 destroyed P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed Japanese Ships BB Fuso BB Yamashiro BB Hyuga BB Mutsu BB Kongo Allied Ships AK Empire Nightingale, Shell hits 1, on fire AK Empire Kumari, Shell hits 1, on fire TK Empire Diplomat, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AO Appleleaf, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage AK Jalarajan, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AK Empire Bond, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AK Fairfield City, Shell hits 2, on fire TK Empire Druid, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AK Peisander, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AK Louisianan, Shell hits 1, heavy damage Allied ground losses: 20343 casualties reported[X(][X(][X(][X(][X(][X(][X(] Guns lost 138[:(] Vehicles lost 14 Airbase hits 12 Airbase supply hits 5 Runway hits 117[:@] He recovered one of his BB damaged at Singapore....[:o][:-] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 21,4 Japanese Ships CL Nagara Allied Ships SS KXVII another miss...[:@] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 20,3 Japanese Ships DD Ushio, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships SS O19 Well...this DD was going down anyway...[:'(] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Malir , at 23,4 Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 111 Ki-21-II Sally x 183[X(] Ki-49 Helen x 100[X(] Allied aircraft Wirraway x 5 Buffalo I x 4 Hurricane IIb x 28 P-39D Airacobra x 6 P-40B Tomahawk x 11 P-40E Warhawk x 11 P-43A Lancer x 6 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 34 destroyed, 9 damaged[:D] Ki-21-II Sally: 2 destroyed, 29 damaged Ki-49 Helen: 7 destroyed, 27 damaged Allied aircraft losses Wirraway: 3 destroyed Buffalo I: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged Hurricane IIb: 4 destroyed, 20 damaged P-39D Airacobra: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged P-40B Tomahawk: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged P-40E Warhawk: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged P-43A Lancer: 3 destroyed Blenheim IV: 4 destroyed Blenheim I: 1 destroyed A-20B Boston: 2 destroyed Blenheim IF: 2 destroyed Lysander I: 2 destroyed Vildebeest IV: 1 destroyed Allied ground losses: 287 casualties reported Guns lost 6 Vehicles lost 1 Airbase hits 7 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 34 Results could have been worse anyway... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 74,59 Near Marcus Island Japanese Ships AK Nittsu Maru, Shell hits 13, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage sinks[:D] Allied Ships SS Haddock [image]local://upfiles/4162/B860A1CAB37B416B8BC4C11EC4F62C41.jpg[/image]

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Karachi NUKED and saratoga torpedoed... (1/11/2008 2:16:19 PM)
Over Malir... [image]local://upfiles/4162/BF5B6B4FA0F64968997466D3086AC71C.jpg[/image]

cantona2 -> RE: Karachi NUKED and saratoga torpedoed... (1/11/2008 2:16:34 PM)
[&:] keep your spirits up GH

Hortlund -> RE: Karachi NUKED and saratoga torpedoed... (1/11/2008 2:17:42 PM)
Dont worry, Saratoga is only on fire. Not on fire + heavy damage. She should survive the trip home to PH.

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Karachi NUKED and saratoga torpedoed... (1/11/2008 2:22:14 PM)
Yes, let's hope so...i'll try to change her course not to be too predictable...let's see...think however she'll have to stay in port for some time...glad to have 3 ARs at PH just arrived from Panama...[;)] Anyway my subs are becoming more efficient and that's a good news to me. I'm really seeing their improovements day by day... But guys...with those BBs how long can Karachi hold? have you seen the results?-...my supplies stockpiled with so much troubles will be burnt in few days...[:o]

Elladan -> RE: Karachi NUKED and saratoga torpedoed... (1/11/2008 2:28:25 PM)
Could you please make a more detailed analysis of real loses after this bombardment? I mean which of your units suffered and how much, how many supplies were destroyed and such. This would give some data to base predictions on. Saratoga should be fine, no heavy damage is a good sign.

Hortlund -> RE: Karachi NUKED and saratoga torpedoed... (1/11/2008 2:28:37 PM)
Karachi can hold. Its a city hex, which means that your units at worst (without supply or forts) will fight at x0.25. The bombardments affect your second line troops, but your combat values should be practically unharmed. See it this way. If you have to fight somewhere in 1942, Karachi would be it. If you leave Karachi or if he captures Karachi, then all his units that are now in India will head to Australia. The guy you are playing against is one of the most gamey players Ive ever come across, and the houserules you have agreed to is making it practically impossible to stop him now. One question though. Exactly what are the changes he has made to the scenario? Im getting the sinking feeling that you will be up against some really magical jap fighters in 43-44...

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