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Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/22/2008 4:20:17 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/05/42 Clark is conquered with 1000 AVs by the advancing Japs that are now sieging Manila. Still no attacks at Changsha...he still has to clear his supply path. At Karachi another BBs run today but one of his BBs hit a british Mk.XVII mine and had to run back to Bombay[:D] Damage isn't high, but enough (i hope) to stay in port for some time. teh first AK full of supplies is approaching Karachi...let's see how he reacts![;)] Karachi situation is the following: 304,000 supplies, forts 6, AVs 2577 Manila: 19,000 supplies (drying up fast!!), forts 9, AVs 2600 Changsha: 18,000 supplies, forts 7, AVs 4200 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 104 encounters mine field at Karachi (21,3) Japanese Ships BB Mutsu, Mine hits 1[:D][:D][:D][:D] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3 Japanese Ships BB Yamashiro BB Hyuga BB Kongo Allied ground losses: 6239 casualties reported[:(]..OUCH! Guns lost 33 Airbase hits 5 Airbase supply hits 5 Runway hits 45 Port hits 3 Port fuel hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Honan , at 49,31 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 27 Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 9 Ki-21-II Sally x 27 Ki-48-I Lily x 63 Ki-49 Helen x 56 Ki-15 Babs x 4 Allied aircraft I-153c x 3 I-16c x 3 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-48-I Lily: 4 damaged Ki-49 Helen: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses I-153c: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged I-16c: 3 destroyed Allied ground losses: 9 casualties reported Airbase hits 10 Airbase supply hits 5 Runway hits 82 The question is....WHY HONAN????[&:] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52 Japanese aircraft G3M Nell x 29 G4M1 Betty x 15 E13A1 Jake x 3 Ki-48-I Lily x 15 Ki-49 Helen x 5 Allied aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses G3M Nell: 1 destroyed, 16 damaged G4M1 Betty: 3 damaged Ki-48-I Lily: 4 damaged Ki-49 Helen: 2 damaged Allied aircraft losses OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 1 destroyed Allied ground losses: 46 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Vehicles lost 1 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 14 My supplies are running out fast here....[:(] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3 Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 7 Ki-49 Helen x 111 Ki-46-II Dinah x 2 Allied aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses Ki-49 Helen: 2 damaged Allied aircraft losses P-43A Lancer: 1 destroyed Allied ground losses: 42 casualties reported Airbase hits 6 Airbase supply hits 4 Runway hits 94 If only those damned BBs would not kill my AAs....i could grind those damned bombers with all those AA units at Karachi,...[:@][:@][:@][:@] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Clark Field Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 982 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1194 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese max assault: 5 - adjusted assault: 12 Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 12 to 1 (fort level 5) Japanese forces CAPTURE Clark Field base !!!

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/22/2008 4:30:47 PM)
No sign of the KB neither today. It's a clear fact that the KB is no longer lingering in the Indian Ocean (at least not on the western Coast of India). Actually, despite Karachi's AF is always bombed, i manage to sneak a pair of Catalinas from Aden every how and then and we've not spotted any CVs in the last 2 weeks. No report from the sign-ins....so we just have to guess...what is he doing with the dreaded KB?? Is he going to HI for R&R? Is he going to raid my supply lines from PH to the Marshalls?.....No answers to these questions.... The 2nd USMC Division is approaching Eniwetok, ready to come into the Ponape operation. Eniwetok AF is growing fast. In 7/10 days we should arrive at level 4, which is enough to plaster Ponape back to stoneage.

Nemo121 -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/22/2008 4:38:22 PM)
If you insist on doing this then why not just go for Marcus and then drive west through the Marianas and towards Palau. That way you risk less, do it quicker, bypass no important bases from which he can easily strike your support echelons AND still link up with your Australian-based drive. It seems a much less risky and quicker operation IMO

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/22/2008 5:07:57 PM)
Going for Marcus now would mean give him the chance to strike me hard with the KB...which is surely lingering somewhere between HI and Singapore. I have no close friendly air base that could support my landings. I will have to rely only on my 4 CVs that will be outclassed without any LBA covering. No, i prefer to play safely with my advance. If i fail now, the whole allied advance could be stopped for more than 1 year...and i cannot efford that.

Elladan -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/22/2008 5:58:13 PM)
Ponape is ok but I would reconsider Woleai operation again when you feel it's time to start something new. It's a risky operation and not much profit can be gained there, so maybe there will be better targets then. Say Marcus or Marianas, or maybe something in DEI.

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/22/2008 6:06:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Elladan Ponape is ok but I would reconsider Woleai operation again when you feel it's time to start something new. It's a risky operation and not much profit can be gained there, so maybe there will be better targets then. Say Marcus or Marianas, or maybe something in DEI. I agree that it's risky the Woleai trick. In fact it's just an idea. Ponape is a foundamental step to start reducing Truk and its ability to bite me back and stop any forther advance of mine. Woleai would be risky exactly like Marcus. However the Woleai operation in on hold at the moment. First let's conquer Ponape and get closer to Truk. Then we'll start moving from Darwin towards Timor and Ambonia. Only in a third phase we'll reconsider any operation that involves something north of Truk (Woleai or Marcus...) guys, i understand you feel i'm strong in the CENTPAC, but believe me when i say that my strenght at the moment is only on the paper....if the KB pops up i'm screwed if i do not have any friendly air base supporting with LBAs my surface fleet.

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/22/2008 6:51:10 PM)
However guys, May is approaching. With may the brits will be able to upgrade their air-frames. That means seafires on the brit CVs and get rid of those useless buffalos...i have 2 british squadrons in China that can turn to be very usefull when upgraded to Hurricanes. These 2 fighter squadrons, along with the 3 U.S. air groups i have in China, if used properly, can turn the chinese air war to an hell for the Japs. Looking forward to this...[8D]

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/22/2008 8:07:04 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/06/42 The japs finally cleared their supply lines that lead to Changsha and now an attack against my city is again very likely to take place. In India (see screenshot below) he's moving in order to avoid the shock attack, so rivercrossing into another hex. The lonely AK sent full of supplies from Aden has been easily intercepted and attacked by his bombers at Malir...no way to resupply Karachi! Eniwetok's AF is at 67% towards level 4.... Burma has been completely evacuated. What was left there is moving to China. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3 Japanese Ships CA Ashigara CA Nachi CA Haguro CA Myoko Allied ground losses: 1870 casualties reported Guns lost 22 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 11 Port hits 4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 46,55 Allied aircraft OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 6 No Allied losses Japanese Ships AK Kotohira Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AK Tokushima Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire Aircraft Attacking: 2 x OS2U-3 Kingfisher bombing at 2000 feet 4 x OS2U-3 Kingfisher bombing at 2000 feet WOW, these guys from Manila Af are doing a great job!!![:D] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 17,3 near Karachi Japanese aircraft Ki-49 Helen x 13 No Japanese losses Allied Ships AK s Jacob, Bomb hits 2, on fire[:o] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 46,36 Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 3400 troops, 36 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 254 Defending force 547 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 18 Japanese max assault: 23 - adjusted assault: 26 Allied max defense: 14 - adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 26 to 1 Allied ground losses: 17 casualties reported Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Japan clears its supply path towards his Army at Changsha -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Manila Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 3893 troops, 22 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 938 Defending force 136629 troops, 1332 guns, 436 vehicles, Assault Value = 2631 First japanese land bombing at Manila[:@] [image]local://upfiles/4162/8950E3745ABC403BBC1ED9E2E931A1B8.jpg[/image]

okami -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/22/2008 8:12:35 PM)
Day Air attack on Honan , at 49,31 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 27 Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 9 Ki-21-II Sally x 27 Ki-48-I Lily x 63 Ki-49 Helen x 56 Ki-15 Babs x 4 Allied aircraft I-153c x 3 I-16c x 3 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-48-I Lily: 4 damaged Ki-49 Helen: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses I-153c: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged I-16c: 3 destroyed Allied ground losses: 9 casualties reported Airbase hits 10 Airbase supply hits 5 Runway hits 82 The question is....WHY HONAN????[&:] It is thesupply route for an attack on Sian. without Honan you can not effectively attack Sian.

Jim D Burns -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/22/2008 8:26:08 PM)
If you've got a US AK (not sure if Brit AK will work), load it with supply and get it within about 10-12 hexes of Karachi. Then create 3 PT boat task forces and send them into Karachi at full speed. If you get lucky you might surprise a bombardment run and slam a torp into a BB. No sense sending larger task forces as usually only one or two boats get to shoot no matter how many boats are in the force. Also the more task forces you send, the more surprise rolls you make and the better chance you have to get a boat within striking range unseen. Jim

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/22/2008 8:35:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns If you've got a US AK (not sure if Brit AK will work), load it with supply and get it within about 10-12 hexes of Karachi. Then create 3 PT boat task forces and send them into Karachi at full speed. If you get lucky you might surprise a bombardment run and slam a torp into a BB. No sense sending larger task forces as usually only one or two boats get to shoot no matter how many boats are in the force. Also the more task forces you send, the more surprise rolls you make and the better chance you have to get a boat within striking range unseen. Jim Thx Jim. With the brit AKs it doesn't work. i've checked. only barges. I've taken a deep look and wasn't able to find any single US AK at Aden[:(]...out of 97 AKs present there...they have to be all sunk during the last months[:o]...

Jim D Burns -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/22/2008 8:45:16 PM)
Check ships available, you may not have any PT's available right now. Get some sunk if you can as I think one or two torps in his BB's may cause an over-reaction. I think they take 60-90 days to become available after sinking though, so it'll be a while. Jim

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/22/2008 8:47:02 PM)
I'll give it a try!Thx Jim!![;)] Gotta go and check my "paella" now...see you after dinner guys[:D]

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/23/2008 9:00:45 AM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/07-08/42 More bombings at Karachi in these 2 days. Supplies are down to 299,00...his bombers managed to sink the poor AK sent from Aden....at least he has now to keep some more bombers on Naval attack duties...he keeps on advancing rivercrossing...one month maybe and he'll be at the very gates of Karachi At Manila he brought in more 120 kates to bomb the hell out of me...i won't last for long i fear[:(]...Bataan fell and now even Manila can be bombed by sea if he brings his BBs.... At Changsha he attacked again with a single unit...this practice makes me burn a LOT of supplies...it's like if we're facing a general attack,while it's only a recon attack...but the supply-consumption system doesn't recognize the difference...[:o] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3 Japanese Ships CA Mogami CA Takao CA Chikuma CA Tone Allied ground losses: 830 casualties reported Guns lost 32 Runway hits 7 Port hits 4 Port fuel hits 1 Port supply hits 5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 92,88 Japanese Ships SS I-25 Allied Ships AK Nebraskan, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage AK Steel Exporter MSW Warnambool PG Warrego Allied ground losses: 24 casualties reported North of Baker Island....the transport was loaded with a base force....[:o][:(] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52 Japanese aircraft B5N2 Kate x 77 G3M Nell x 36 G4M1 Betty x 14 Ki-48-I Lily x 27 Allied aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged G3M Nell: 4 damaged G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged Ki-48-I Lily: 3 damaged Allied aircraft losses Allied ground losses: 107 casualties reported Guns lost 8 Vehicles lost 3 Airbase hits 12 Airbase supply hits 6 Runway hits 48 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Manila at 43,52 Japanese aircraft B5N2 Kate x 8 No Japanese losses Allied Ships AK Sagoland, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage This AK was trying to unload some supplies at Manila...no choice, nor chances![:@] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3 Japanese aircraft G3M Nell x 73 G4M1 Betty x 84 Allied aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses G3M Nell: 3 damaged G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses Allied ground losses: 45 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 14 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 69 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Karachi at 21,3[:(] Japanese aircraft G4M1 Betty x 10 No Japanese losses Allied Ships AK s Jacob, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Chittagong Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 30103 troops, 84 guns, 230 vehicles, Assault Value = 844 Defending force 4668 troops, 38 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 45 Japanese max assault: 728 - adjusted assault: 438 Allied max defense: 45 - adjusted defense: 3 Japanese assault odds: 146 to 1 (fort level 2) Japanese forces CAPTURE Chittagong base !!! Japanese ground losses: 41 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Allied ground losses: 867 casualties reported Guns lost 24 Vehicles lost 1 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! The last base in India.....now the conquest is over...just Karachi is missing[:(] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Changsha Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 380785 troops, 1882 guns, 85 vehicles, Assault Value = 8995 Defending force 185083 troops, 888 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 4598 Japanese max assault: 63 - adjusted assault: 0 [:@][:@][:@][:@][:@][:@] Allied max defense: 4860 - adjusted defense: 6830 * i hope my adjusted defences were better....not even doubled....[:(]...can't hope of holding[:(] Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 7) Japanese ground losses: 1004 casualties reported Guns lost 72 Vehicles lost 7 Allied ground losses: 432 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Rangoon Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 1104 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 33 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese max assault: 26 - adjusted assault: 14 Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 14 to 1 (fort level 2) Japanese forces CAPTURE Rangoon base !!! An emptied Rangoon falls....[:@] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Bataan Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 8181 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 234 Defending force 1830 troops, 35 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1 Japanese max assault: 382 - adjusted assault: 218 Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 3 Japanese assault odds: 72 to 1 (fort level 4) Japanese forces CAPTURE Bataan base !!![:@][:@][:@] Japanese ground losses: 22 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Allied ground losses: 1519 casualties reported Guns lost 15 Score is 3-1 by now...all those bases in India worth a LOT of points.... If he takes Karachi or Manila he'll be far beyond 4-1

Jim D Burns -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/23/2008 12:32:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner Allied max defense: 4860 - adjusted defense: 6830 * i hope my adjusted defences were better....not even doubled....[:(]...can't hope of holding[:(] This is a good thing G. H. The more he attacks like this the higher your units experience grows at little cost to you except in supplies. Soon your units will all exceed 50% experience and then your adjusted AV will be more than doubled. Don't complain to him about these attacks, let him train your army for you, and then he'll get a nasty surprise when he finally attacks. Track your units progress, my guess is every unit gets 2-4 experience per attack right now. In my game I trained my units up to about 55-59 experience with bombardments, and now they are holding their own on defense. 7 corps managed to withstand an attack by 8 Japanese divisions, 2 brigades, 1 tank regiment and 2 artillery regiments (check post 214 in my AAR), even though a few of them were still under 50 experience. Japan�s non-adjusted AV was almost double my non-adjusted AV, so our overall situation is similar even though there are larger numbers of troops involved in your fight. My units were entrenched to level 3 in forest terrain, and their adjusted AV was only 400 points less than their non-adjusted AV. So once you get half or more of your units above 50 experience, I bet your adjusted AV will better than double given your fort levels. Jim

floydg -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/23/2008 5:02:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns quote: ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner Allied max defense: 4860 - adjusted defense: 6830 * i hope my adjusted defences were better....not even doubled....[:(]...can't hope of holding[:(] This is a good thing G. H. The more he attacks like this the higher your units experience grows at little cost to you except in supplies. Soon your units will all exceed 50% experience and then your adjusted AV will be more than doubled. Don't complain to him about these attacks, let him train your army for you, and then he'll get a nasty surprise when he finally attacks. Track your units progress, my guess is every unit gets 2-4 experience per attack right now. In my game I trained my units up to about 55-59 experience with bombardments, and now they are holding their own on defense. 7 corps managed to withstand an attack by 8 Japanese divisions, 2 brigades, 1 tank regiment and 2 artillery regiments (check post 214 in my AAR), even though a few of them were still under 50 experience. Japan�s non-adjusted AV was almost double my non-adjusted AV, so our overall situation is similar even though there are larger numbers of troops involved in your fight. My units were entrenched to level 3 in forest terrain, and their adjusted AV was only 400 points less than their non-adjusted AV. So once you get half or more of your units above 50 experience, I bet your adjusted AV will better than double given your fort levels. Jim Is this even an effective tactic? Can he really keep using just one unit of a stack to attack and really expect to make a dent? I suppose if it sucks up supply, it could be effective, but he has to be increasing his disruption way beyond what GH's disruption level is (and once he does that with enough units, a Chinese attack could push him out, no?). In China, I have a few Corps at Ichang holding back an onslaught of 100,000 Japanese (similar experience as Jim's). Floyd

Yakface -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/23/2008 5:15:03 PM)
quote: At Changsha he attacked again with a single unit...this practice makes me burn a LOT of supplies...it's like if we're facing a general attack,while it's only a recon attack...but the supply-consumption system doesn't recognize the difference...[:o] That being the case then these attacks are the very definition of gamey. Knowingly using a weakness of the game against your opponent. From what I have seen you will not see an increase in your AV due to terrain modifiers. What you will see is a reduction in your opponents AV.

Feinder -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/23/2008 5:43:02 PM)
Is he attacking with just one unit?� That's an admitted by bug by the devs.� The one unit attacks and then bombardment units actually get a second bombardment round.� As the devs have acknowledged it as an issue, it's definately gamey.� It works "even better" with a lone combat engineer unit, as you still have a favorable chance to reduce forts, get the double bombardment, and don't "risk" the rest of your army. Not to scare you, but keep an eye on your disablements.� Arty can cause massive disablement casualties (and the "attack with only one unit causes 2 bombardment rounds), also your supply loss (and burn more repair disablments)�which could lead to capitulation. Just be advised that he's exploiting every crack in the game at this point.� That to me is no holds barred - I'd follow only the letter of his house-rules, and take advantage of every exploit you can get your hands on : For starters divided every LCU you have in Karachi.� The damage is NOT proportionate to all sub-units (it's lesser compared to a non-divided unit).�� The also recover fatigue�faster.� And speaking of which, you can�break-down for a turn, then reform, then break down again, and�your fatigue will be less than�if you had remained�divided or whole (not sure why, but there's a bug in the routine there as well). There are all sorts of�nasty things you learn when you've experiented with the engine.� I don't use exploits against my opponents, because they don't exploit either. If you'd like I can also tell you a trick or two�about "fooling"�the naval model as well. They're nasty and gamey, but frankly I think he deserves a sound a$$ kicking. -F-�

Elladan -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/23/2008 6:13:41 PM)
quote: They're nasty and gamey, but frankly I think he deserves a sound a$$ kicking. -F- Seconded. Trollie uses every glitch he knows about, sets most unbalanced HRs I have ever seen and then calls himself great warrior. Sound ass-kicking seems very appriopriate in this case.

mdiehl -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/23/2008 6:39:17 PM)
quote: They're nasty and gamey, but frankly I think he deserves a sound a$$ kicking. I have to agree. The one-unit-attack resource-depletion scam seems quite gamey. I can see making a single one-unit attack if that gleaned good recon, but repeating it just to run down opfor supplies is absurd. I do hope that the AE version will frequently result in the complete annihilation of units that make these sorts of unsupported attacks, rather than rewarding an player for attacking piecemeal.

castor troy -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/23/2008 6:43:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mdiehl quote: They're nasty and gamey, but frankly I think he deserves a sound a$$ kicking. I have to agree. The one-unit-attack resource-depletion scam seems quite gamey. I can see making a single one-unit attack if that gleaned good recon, but repeating it just to run down opfor supplies is absurd. I do hope that the AE version will frequently result in the complete annihilation of units that make these sorts of unsupported attacks, rather than rewarding an player for attacking piecemeal. ahh... don�t say that... Trollelite needs every glitch, bug and other gamey thing to defeat the Allied weakling... [;)]

veji1 -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/23/2008 7:15:26 PM)
Come on Castor, you have to admit the HR and tactics are a bit bent in this game..

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/23/2008 7:48:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns quote: ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner Allied max defense: 4860 - adjusted defense: 6830 * i hope my adjusted defences were better....not even doubled....[:(]...can't hope of holding[:(] This is a good thing G. H. The more he attacks like this the higher your units experience grows at little cost to you except in supplies. Soon your units will all exceed 50% experience and then your adjusted AV will be more than doubled. Don't complain to him about these attacks, let him train your army for you, and then he'll get a nasty surprise when he finally attacks. Track your units progress, my guess is every unit gets 2-4 experience per attack right now. In my game I trained my units up to about 55-59 experience with bombardments, and now they are holding their own on defense. 7 corps managed to withstand an attack by 8 Japanese divisions, 2 brigades, 1 tank regiment and 2 artillery regiments (check post 214 in my AAR), even though a few of them were still under 50 experience. Japan�s non-adjusted AV was almost double my non-adjusted AV, so our overall situation is similar even though there are larger numbers of troops involved in your fight. My units were entrenched to level 3 in forest terrain, and their adjusted AV was only 400 points less than their non-adjusted AV. So once you get half or more of your units above 50 experience, I bet your adjusted AV will better than double given your fort levels. Jim The experience of those troops is for the 80% of them above 50! What really is a problem is the morale, which is damned low...between 20 and 30 on average.[:(] However the problem remains the supplies...i'm using all my bombers to re-supply Changsha but it's never enough...every day the aerial bombings and the single-unit-attack suck badly my supplies....

Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/23/2008 7:51:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Feinder Not to scare you, but keep an eye on your disablements.� Arty can cause massive disablement casualties (and the "attack with only one unit causes 2 bombardment rounds), also your supply loss (and burn more repair disablments)�which could lead to capitulation. Just be advised that he's exploiting every crack in the game at this point.� That to me is no holds barred - I'd follow only the letter of his house-rules, and take advantage of every exploit you can get your hands on : For starters divided every LCU you have in Karachi.� The damage is NOT proportionate to all sub-units (it's lesser compared to a non-divided unit).�� The also recover fatigue�faster.� And speaking of which, you can�break-down for a turn, then reform, then break down again, and�your fatigue will be less than�if you had remained�divided or whole (not sure why, but there's a bug in the routine there as well). There are all sorts of�nasty things you learn when you've experiented with the engine.� I don't use exploits against my opponents, because they don't exploit either. If you'd like I can also tell you a trick or two�about "fooling"�the naval model as well. They're nasty and gamey, but frankly I think he deserves a sound a$$ kicking. -F-� Thx mate, but i'd prefer to play it clean. I'm using divided units only if i have to use the sub-units in different hexes. If the sub unit and the parental one are in the same hex i re-unite them. Seems this is a good way of using the regimental level of this option (divide unit) and at the same time keeping the game fair. I'm having fun all the way, no matters what he's doing (however that thing isn't contemplated in the HRs).

Historiker -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/23/2008 8:37:26 PM)
Hey G.H, When are you going to switch the sides? [:D][;)]

Andy Mac -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/23/2008 8:47:58 PM)
Quite right GH its worth asking him if he knows what he is doing he may not - always give the benefit of the doubt. p.s. every bomber that is on naval attack is not hitting your airbase. AF level x 5 + 50 is the runway level required to operate CAP i.e. Karachi is lvl 6 AF ? then he needs to keep AF damage > 80 to stop your CAP flying......

Elladan -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/23/2008 8:50:08 PM)
quote: p.s. every bomber that is on naval attack is not hitting your airbase. Well, that actually not true. You can always set airfield attack as a secondary mission [:)]

Feinder -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/23/2008 9:14:57 PM)
Playing nice or not, I still think he deserves a sound a$$ kicking. [;)] -F-

Elladan -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/23/2008 9:27:33 PM)
Nice sound ass-kicking sounds even better [:D]

okami -> RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near (1/23/2008 10:02:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner quote: ORIGINAL: Feinder Not to scare you, but keep an eye on your disablements.� Arty can cause massive disablement casualties (and the "attack with only one unit causes 2 bombardment rounds), also your supply loss (and burn more repair disablments)�which could lead to capitulation. Just be advised that he's exploiting every crack in the game at this point.� That to me is no holds barred - I'd follow only the letter of his house-rules, and take advantage of every exploit you can get your hands on : For starters divided every LCU you have in Karachi.� The damage is NOT proportionate to all sub-units (it's lesser compared to a non-divided unit).�� The also recover fatigue�faster.� And speaking of which, you can�break-down for a turn, then reform, then break down again, and�your fatigue will be less than�if you had remained�divided or whole (not sure why, but there's a bug in the routine there as well). There are all sorts of�nasty things you learn when you've experiented with the engine.� I don't use exploits against my opponents, because they don't exploit either. If you'd like I can also tell you a trick or two�about "fooling"�the naval model as well. They're nasty and gamey, but frankly I think he deserves a sound a$$ kicking. -F-� Thx mate, but i'd prefer to play it clean. I'm using divided units only if i have to use the sub-units in different hexes. If the sub unit and the parental one are in the same hex i re-unite them. Seems this is a good way of using the regimental level of this option (divide unit) and at the same time keeping the game fair. I'm having fun all the way, no matters what he's doing (however that thing isn't contemplated in the HRs). With an attitude like this, you will never lack for honourable opponents GH. I agree with Castor Troy, he needs all this to even stand a chance of winning.

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