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Frido1207 -> Batting Lineup: Expert help needed (11/1/2007 2:59:34 AM)

Wow, what a lovely game (well I just come off a 3-2 comeback win over the Division leading Pittsburgh Pirates after 12 Innings; but tbh I also had some very frustating moments)

Here´s the question I want to ask:
As an european Baseball noob I´m playing a bit around with the Batting lineup.
I´m not sure about the best general strategie. Should I put my strongest Batters in to a line (e,g. spot 3, 4, 5,) or should I distribute them over the lineup (e.g. spot 2, 5, 8)?
I´m asking this, because my Team only produce few hits & even fewer runs. Often the Innings ends up with one or more players left on bases, which is very frustrating.
Any "inside" tipp is much appreciated.
Cheers



MPHopcroft1 -> RE: Batting Lineup: Expert help needed (11/1/2007 3:09:02 AM)

The #1 spot, called "leadoff", should be occupied by a fast contact hitter. His job is to get on base, so if he draws a lot of walks so much the better, and he is often your best base-stealer.

The #3 spot usually goes to the best overall hitter, while the #4 spot (called "cleanup") is your best power hitter. Here's a historical example: on the 1927 New York Yankees' "Murderer's Row", right-fielder Babe Ruth (who would set a single-season Home Run record that would stand for thirty years) hit third and Lou Gehrig (a threat to win the Triple Crown) hit fourth.



Frido1207 -> RE: Batting Lineup: Expert help needed (11/1/2007 3:19:31 AM)

Thx MPHopcroft for your very helpful & informative reply. I should have asked this (& getting your nice help) just before I drafted my players (ahem).



jeremy7227 -> RE: Batting Lineup: Expert help needed (11/1/2007 5:39:09 PM)

If you have an opportunity you should read about Whitey Herzog and Earl Weaver, two Major League Managers from the 1970s and 80's. Herzog is most famous for managing the Cardinals and Weaver the Orioles in their respective championship dynasties. They had very different opinions on lineup and roster composition but both enjoyed great success. Herzog coveted defense, speed and "small-ball" above all else. Weaver is the father of the 3-run homer philosophy. Weaver's key tenets were that the fastest way around the bases is the HR and you should never play for one run unless you know that one run is going to win you the game (i.e. in the home half of the 9th in a tie ball game). You can't go wrong emulating either style but I would say that most of today's managers emulate Weaver. It all depends on the personnel of your particular team. Play to your strengths but good hitters should not be spread out in the lineup - they will hit better collectively by protecting each-other from being pitched around.

My personal rules for building a lineup follows:
1 - Good hitter with exceptional speed
2 - A good contact hitter with some speed and the ability to move a runner into scoring position. A guy who won't hit many HRs but may hit a lot of 2Bs... or conversely a guy who has a high OBP and is a good bunter.
3 - Your best hitter. This is where your MVP candidate should be. High average, high power. In the 3rd spot he is guaranteed to bat in the first inning and he will have the most opportunity to drive in the 1-2 hitters.
4 - Your second best hitter with a lot of power. He is here to ensure that the #3 gets good pitches to hit and also to clean up (hence the term clean-up hitter) and drive in the runs that the #3 leaves on base.
5 - A power position but this guy may hit for a lower average (see Rob Deer)
6 - A guy with some offensive punch but probably a better contact hitter than a power hitter but no slouch.
7 - My favorite position in the lineup. A lot of good hitters hit here. It is like your second clean up spot. This guy should be a little better of an all around hitter than your #6.
8 - The good glove guy - hide a weak hitter here.
9 - If you are in the NL this is the pitcher's spot. If you play with a DH then this is where you put a fast player who doesn't get on base as often as your lead-off man.

Hope that helps.

JL



slider15 -> RE: Batting Lineup: Expert help needed (11/1/2007 6:12:51 PM)

I agree with Jeremy. There was another theory that you put your best all around hitter in the lead off and work your way down, being that the leadoff hitter will get the most at bats in the season you'd get more offensive productivity. However I don't agree with this and use a similar lineup for all of my teams. It comes down to managerial preferences too. Don't be afraid to experiment either.



Walewander -> My own strategy... (11/1/2007 6:23:20 PM)

I like to mess around with lineups... One of my favorite ways to do things is put the player with the highest OBP in the leadoff slot, unless he's also the player with the highest OPS, in which case he's in the second slot and the player with the next highest OBP takes his leadoff slot. From 3 to 9 I just go downt he line in turns of OPS. I will usually run this way for a week or so at a time before changing things up accoridng to the change in statistics. I think this strategy can lead to some great offenses in Pure Sim.





jeremy7227 -> RE: My own strategy... (11/1/2007 6:27:05 PM)

That probably is a way to "game the system" and produce lots of runs in PureSim. I rely more on ratings than stats and I tend to set my 1, 3-4-5 hitters in the spring and they stay there until October. Unless something drastic happens to one of them, like flirting with .200 for an extended period, I like the consistency.



Frido1207 -> RE: My own strategy... (11/1/2007 7:06:54 PM)

Great help. Thank you guys (esp. jeremy). Will immediately change my lineup based on your suggestions.



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