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Doggie -> RE: Letters from Iwo Jima (11/24/2007 11:32:05 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
No, I mean the outrageous position that all japanese should be shot when captured or strafed in their lifeboats, or firebombed in their homes.
That would be your outrageous position. Typical of you to attribute things to me I never said, like the lie about shooting Japanese Prisoners. There was a reason for strafing soldiers in life boats. It kept them from reaching shore alive and killing American soldiers. I haven't said a word about firebombing anybody in their homes, either.
How about you document one of your outrageous lies just this once and show us where I've said anything about murdering the thousands of Japanese who survived U.S. captivity, or anything about exterminating Japanese in general based on their race.
What I have said is the truth, that Japanese soldiers were sadistic savages and deserve no sympathy.
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1. Stereotyping is wrong, because it will lead to all sorts of false conclusions depending on what action you stereotype from. As example of this I asked you how we would view the US army if we stereotyped the entire US army from the actions of the My Lai-gang.
No, you engage in stereotyping when you judge all American soldiers on one isolated incident, which you have. The actions of the Nanking Gang, and the Okinawa gang, and the Battan gang, and the Singapore gang, and the Guam gang, and every other gang of murderous thugs in the Japanese army were typical of their behavior, not exceptional.
quote]As another example of this I asked you how we would view the US if we stereotyped the entire nation from the atrocities committed against the Native Americans, and the internment camps for US citizens in ww2.
The native Americans committed quite a few atrocities of their own. But you wouldn't know that as it's obvious you know nothing of the American Indian wars. No atrocities were committed against the Germans, Italians, and Japanese interned in the United States during world war II. And not all Germans, Italians, and Japanese were interned. You'd know that too if you knew anything at all about the subject.
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To this you have not replied...apart from some peculiar outburst against swedish neutrality (or lack thereof) in ww2, accusations of mudslinging and various attempts at ad homs.
Swedish "neutrality" was a joke. Who are you kidding? Your mudslinging starts with your first comment which escalated to how myself and americans who actually fought world war II were liars, racists, and morons as well as murderers and rapists. This was followed up by an anecdote about the kindness shown to an American soldier named Joseph Dorcas Allen, who apparently does not exist, as compared to the millions of people murdered by Japanese troops, who do.
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2. It is wrong to call for the murder of individuals just because they happen to be of a certain ethnicity.
Nobody has done any such thing. You're simply a liar.
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To this your reply has basically been "oh yes it is...as long as we call for the murder of japanese...because they did lots of horrible things themselves."
Your reply to the simple truth about the barbaric conduct of the Japanese armed forces is to invent mythical examples of their benevolence and call anyone who doesn't agree with your superior intellect a racist.
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I have given you the examples of the Japanese soldier who saved the US soldiers life in the minefield.
You have given us yet another example of nothing. And then you have the nerve to claim that historical facts like the existence of Swedish concentration camps are not relevant because you say so. How about a source for even one of your fantasies?
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With your perverted line of reasoning, that Japanese soldier would be just as guilty as the Nanking rapists.
For all I know, that Japanese soldier actually was one of the Nanking rapists. Providing he existed at all. You present one mythical Japanese soldier as an example of conduct we all know was atypical, with no substantionion what so ever, then characterize the documented, routine, historically accurate descriptions of Japanese atrocities as example of "racism" on my part.[8|]
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And incidentally..according to your views, he should also have been shot on capture by the US soldiers.
And incidently, you're lying again. Kindly show us where any of us racists has said Japanese should have been executed on sight. I have given you the reasons why Allied soldiers were reluctant to take prisoners. One very good reason was the Japanese practice of "surrendering" then opening fire on soldiers trying to capture them.
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I have also given the example of the sailor on the Yamato. With your line of reasoning, he should have been strafed in his lifeboat. For what crime? What did he do to deserve such a fate? He was japanese.
Another "example" with no documentation. His "crime" was being a member of the Emporer's Imperial navy. Had he reached land, he would then continued to be a member of the Japanese armed forces, and a direct threat to the lives of allied soldiers.
By your perverted line of reasoning, the Marines should have called for an ambulance everytime they shot a Japanese infantryman on Guadalcanal. That's not "reasoning"; that's stupidity.
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4. Racism is not acceptable.
To this you have replied "yes it is, when its about japanese".
"Racism; the first refuge of the scoundrel" Copyright Doggie, 2000. Racism is what you deal when you have no coherent arguments.
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Actually, the mudslinging comes from your direction, and I have not posted a single lie. You on the other hand, has been caught repeatedly both lying and slinging mud.
You've posted nothing but lies and mudsinging[8|] You've not backed up a single ridiculous lie with so much as a single shred of documentation. You simply don't know what you're talking about.
Even your new signature is a lie, as it's a single phrase cut out of a sentence out of context. You're simply a pathological liar.
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