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mlees -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/19/2007 8:31:36 PM)

Referencing Matrix WiTP-AE screen shot #4 (ship transfer to TF42), what does the "set verbose" button do?



mlees -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/19/2007 8:36:43 PM)

Referencing screen shot #3 (damaged Tennessee in Pearl Harbor), there is a "stand down to repair" toggle switch.

Can I assume that ship's that have stood down are less likely to sortie from the harbor in the event of an air attack?

Does a ship that has been "stood down" suffer a malus to its combat potential (such as reduced number of manned AA guns)?

Will ships that have NOT been stood down receive repairs at all?



Terminus -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/19/2007 8:44:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mlees

Referencing Matrix WiTP-AE screen shot #4 (ship transfer to TF42), what does the "set verbose" button do?


Turns down the description detail on the ship that you mouse over.



Terminus -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/19/2007 8:46:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mlees

Referencing screen shot #3 (damaged Tennessee in Pearl Harbor), there is a "stand down to repair" toggle switch.

Can I assume that ship's that have stood down are less likely to sortie from the harbor in the event of an air attack?

Does a ship that has been "stood down" suffer a malus to its combat potential (such as reduced number of manned AA guns)?

Will ships that have NOT been stood down receive repairs at all?


You have to stand ships down to take full advantage of all port repair facilities, but repairs can still happen without standing down (just not as fast). If they're stood down, they won't go anywhere. I'm not sure what a "malus" is, but the combat potential is (IIRC) the same as for a disbanded ship.



JWE -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/19/2007 8:52:26 PM)

Cid,

Do you happen to recall the size of the shore party in your era? I know during Korea and beyond, it was 2 crews, each about 10-12 ratings and a PO, with a CPO-1 as shore Boss.

I think it was very similar during War-2 but not really sure.

Maybe you could shoot me a pm, since this may be getting OT.



mlees -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/19/2007 8:56:18 PM)

"Malus" = negative modifier.

I figured that if a ship was in Dry Dock, it would be at a reduced manning level, it's ammo off loaded, and so on. Reducing it's effectivness or number of AA guns available in the event of an air attack.



JWE -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/19/2007 11:20:32 PM)

Or maybe someone else with knowledge in this area.

Herwin .. your parts seem to be screwed on correctly .. any help ??

We know this much:

1) early war and at Guad’, the standard was half an ‘in port’ deck watch, i.e., 10 ratings and a PO (half from port, half from stbd, rotated through the watches).

2) after Guad’, things changed on account of the observed FUBARs, but nothing is on the scheds.

3) in Korea, we set the scheds as 2 full crews (12 each and a PO, with a CPO as Shore Boss).

What did we do between 01/43 and 01/46 ? is my question.

Since this is OT, please respond by pm.



Marc -> Naval Gun Penetration (12/19/2007 11:56:21 PM)

I always wondered why the 5.5" gun from the Japanese CLs/BBs had so little penetration value in WitP. This gun can't even scratch the lightest armor in the game.

If I'm not wrong no one ever touched gun penetration values from day 1 of WitP (at least with CHS).
In search for some data I stumbled over this Internetsite with values for many Naval Guns of WWII. WWII NAVAL GUN PENETRATION TABLES

Perhaps this data can be used for the Admirals Edition if the team thinks the values are correct.

Anyway thank you for your effort.

Marc



Terminus -> RE: Naval Gun Penetration (12/20/2007 12:25:02 AM)

Well, the 14cm gun didn't have much of an AP projectile to speak of... That's why its penetration is so poor. I would guess they took their data from navweaps.com...



Don Bowen -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/20/2007 12:35:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mlees

Referencing Matrix WiTP-AE screen shot #4 (ship transfer to TF42), what does the "set verbose" button do?


Got a little time, so let's talk about this.

When selecting ships for a Task Force, it is good to know the basic military capabilities of each ship. We have added a large mouseover on each ship's name that shows guns, torpedoes, ASW, AA.

Sometimes very handy, especially for new players. But sometimes quite irritating, especially once one get's used to the ships.

So we added an option to enable or disable the large mouseover. For some reason (long since forgotten) it was originally called "Set Brief" and "Set Verbose". That was not very explanatory, and the text has been changed to "Mouseover On" and "Mouseover Off". There is a mouseover on the mouseover switch that gives an explanation.

We have also expanded the data shown for the "right click" more data option on this screen. You'll like it!







Mike Solli -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/20/2007 12:49:16 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

When selecting ships for a Task Force, it is good to know the basic military capabilities of each ship. We have added a large mouseover on each ship's name that shows guns, torpedoes, ASW, AA.


Excellent! Thanks! [:D]



mlees -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/20/2007 2:39:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


Got a little time, so let's talk about this. <snip>



Ok, thanks!



ctangus -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/20/2007 2:44:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

quote:

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

When selecting ships for a Task Force, it is good to know the basic military capabilities of each ship. We have added a large mouseover on each ship's name that shows guns, torpedoes, ASW, AA.


Excellent! Thanks! [:D]


I agree - great stuff!

A somewhat similiar question: are there any changes to how ship reinforcement details are displayed? It'd at least be useful to know the class of an arriving ship.



John 3rd -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/20/2007 4:06:39 PM)

Sounds like a practical and useful change for viewing the ships!

I agree about a little more detail on the reinforcement screen would help.

Personal note:  you guys appear to be on a great path with the Expansion Set.  Paul Layne and I are at Dec 1944 with our longterm campaign and are setting the date for concluding it by the time AE comes out!  We want to be able to tell people that we actually played EVERY day of a stock campaign and then start a whole new one with this...




Brady -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/20/2007 7:13:18 PM)

What about the smaller elements aboard CV's that WiTP could not represent, the recon and scout/patrole units, like the Early Judy's deployed in 2 or 3's on Japanese CV's and the SOC:

[img]http://www.oniva.com/upload/2131/SOC-3A.jpg[/img]

Has, or could small CV capable units be added to alow these planes a place in game?



siRkid -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/20/2007 8:19:41 PM)

Are ship repairs still random or does the "Stand Down for Repairs" guarantee some repairs will be made each turn? In other words does the "Stand Down for Repairs" give you about the same chances of repair as the old system but allows you to have ships in port that are not using repair points?



Don Bowen -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/20/2007 9:07:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kid

Are ship repairs still random or does the "Stand Down for Repairs" guarantee some repairs will be made each turn? In other words does the "Stand Down for Repairs" give you about the same chances of repair as the old system but allows you to have ships in port that are not using repair points?


Use of random in ship repair has been greatly reduced (but still exists). This is true for ALL ship repair options.

There is, however, a chance of a major accident while under repair.





NormS3 -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/20/2007 10:17:15 PM)

Any chance you want to elaborate on that? A horrific image of exploding fleet carriers, that have just made port with some damage after a major clash with the other side, has ruined my meal and beer.



Don Bowen -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/20/2007 10:41:46 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Norm3

Any chance you want to elaborate on that? A horrific image of exploding fleet carriers, that have just made port with some damage after a major clash with the other side, has ruined my meal and beer.



OK, but it's too early in the day for beer.

Repair has been completely reworked. It now consists of three distinct modes:

1. Damage Control. This is the only type of repair at sea and is used in port until a ship becomes stable (fires out, not about ready to sink).
Damage Control is primarily oriented to, well, damage control. It can accomplish repairs, especially with a well experienced crew. But best repair modes are:

2. Normal Repairs. Ship must be in port, fires out. Note that the ship is available for service, which limits the speed and extent of repairs. Repairs can be made by the ship's crew, port facilities (NOT including shipyards) and available repair ships (providing they have not been assigned to other duties).

3. Offline Repairs. Ship is stood down and is not available for operations. There are three sub-categories, based on resources assigned: Pier Side (good), Repair Ship (better), and Shipyard (best). Individual ships may be assigned high priority. This is the best way to repair any significant amount of damage - any other mode would take forever for a badly shot up ship.

Repair points are calculated based on type and extent of damage, repair mode, and assigned resources.

A repair time estimater is available and will be "close" as use of random has been significantly reduced. Random during routine repair has been (mostly) replaced with a random chance of an "event" during repair. These can increase damage to the ship and represents fires, cranes dropping things, ships falling off blocks in drydock (for two points, name that ship), other accidents, etc. The affect of these events is also random, from a few additional damage points to "Run for your lives, she's going to blow!". Complete loss of a ship is possible but would be very (very, very) rare. An extension of repair time is the usual result.

Some answers:
No, formulas or detailed descriptions will not be posted.
Yes, players will receive notification when a major event occurs.
Yes, size of ship and available resources are important.
Yes, capacity limits are used (ops for ships, something similar for repair facilties)
Yes, I did accidentally type "shot up s**t" when trying to type "shot up ship".





NormS3 -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/20/2007 10:53:04 PM)

Cassin was blown off during Pearl Harbor attack, wasn't she? Will spend a bit looking up possible others.

Judging form your last line I might not have been only one drinking. I do have an excuse. Christmas/birthday party at work.

How about just a list of what the random mishaps maybe. I am kinda jinxed and have a wonderful ability to have that lucky roll. This way I could keep a running tab on Norm's Shipyard Mishaps.[:D]

It would be a nice Christmas/Birthday gift.[sm=happy0029.gif]



NormS3 -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/20/2007 11:13:38 PM)

Did find this online. . . .

Fleet Tug Sotoyomo (YT-9) is sunk in floating drydock YFD-2, but that was Feb 15 of 1946.



Dixie -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/20/2007 11:17:38 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Norm3

Cassin was blown off during Pearl Harbor attack, wasn't she? Will spend a bit looking up possible others.




It's the only one that springs to mind. Didn't she fall onto USS Downes which was next to her at the time?



Don Bowen -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/20/2007 11:17:45 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Norm3

Cassin was blown off during Pearl Harbor attack, wasn't she? Will spend a bit looking up possible others.

Judging form your last line I might not have been only one drinking. I do have an excuse. Christmas/birthday party at work.

How about just a list of what the random mishaps maybe. I am kinda jinxed and have a wonderful ability to have that lucky roll. This way I could keep a running tab on Norm's Shipyard Mishaps.[:D]

It would be a nice Christmas/Birthday gift.[sm=happy0029.gif]


There is no specific list of "events". The items I mentioned were the rationale. It is just random additional damage, that might be enough (combined with existing damage) to cause the ship to sink. Damage to facilities is also possible.





NormS3 -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/20/2007 11:21:39 PM)

That's the way I remember reading it.



NormS3 -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/20/2007 11:22:49 PM)

Sorry was reading to much into your response. Please keep up the great work and forgive me for interrupting you.[&o]



Dixie -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/20/2007 11:24:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL:  Don Bowen
....ships falling off blocks in drydock (for two points, name that ship)...[snip]



USS Stewart fell off her blocks in the drydock at Surubaya (as opposed to Cassin which was blown off by a bomb)



NormS3 -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/20/2007 11:29:12 PM)

Kind of funny I missed that considering I was just asking about captured ships being in AE. 



spence -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/20/2007 11:31:04 PM)

Are there "events" at sea too? The IJN nearly lost Ise and Hyuga on the same GUNEX in the spring of 1942 - one (can't remember which had what) had a gun blow up and the the fires nearly reached the magazines...on the other, some serious flooding including a fireroom and engineroom (something tells me these two had been on somebody's list to be replaced for a fair while but somehow they could never found the money to make it happen).

And then there's Mutsu that just up and blew up one day.



Don Bowen -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/20/2007 11:31:14 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Dixie


quote:

ORIGINAL:  Don Bowen
....ships falling off blocks in drydock (for two points, name that ship)...[snip]



USS Stewart fell off her blocks in the drydock at Surubaya (as opposed to Cassin which was blown off by a bomb)


Two points! That's the one I had in mind.

I should have cited HMS Valiant in a floating drydock at Ceylon. The drydock (AFD-23, one of the big ones) collapsed under her. Valiant had to go home for repairs and AFD-23 was a total loss.





NormS3 -> RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread (12/20/2007 11:32:20 PM)

Like the Japanese Navy really needs any further help with their damage control[;)]



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