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Panther Bait -> RE: Scale and Scope (2/19/2009 7:13:43 PM)

Considering the thorn the British have been lately, I would vote that Furyouka-Go is a punitive mission to the Indian mainland somewhere well away from Calcutta, starting with a surprise KB raid on Ceylon first.




John 3rd -> Air over Japan (2/19/2009 7:32:39 PM)

The fight continues over the skies of Japan...



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John 3rd -> ASW Update (2/19/2009 11:40:15 PM)

Many of the TF are now in place or nearly in place for the Operational Order to deploy.  As these ships move, the ASW Fight continues unabated:

Sept 18th  Harder puts 2 TT into an empty large AP, Gato is set on Fire by a strong ASW Attack, and another US SS is hit by LBA
Sept 19th  SS puts 1 TT into an AP (empty), SS Tuna is set on Fire by an ASW Attack, and LBA scores another hit east of Balikpapan
Sept 20th  O19 hits an empty AP with 1TT, SS Caiman puts 2 Torps into a PC sinking it but takes 12 DC and set on Fire, LBA hits the retreating Tuna

Wild-and-Crazy!

September 20th sees the big Frank Factory at Harbin attacked by 3 P-61, 150 B-24, and 21 B-17.  They are met by 72 Fighters who quickly brush aside the pitiful escort and set on the bombers.  This day sees the Allies formation hold together and 149 planes manage to drop their loads.  Most of the bombs churn only dirt though as the aircraft factory takes 11 Hits.  For that damage the Americans lose 2 P-61, 8 B-17, 20 B-24, with a further 55 damaged!  Not too bad again...






bbbf -> RE: ASW Update (2/20/2009 12:08:48 AM)

You seem light on for engineers - considering anywhere you invade will probably have high forts, have you got anymore available?




ny59giants -> RE: ASW Update (2/20/2009 12:09:21 AM)

quote:

Not too bad again...


Unfortunately, these nickles and dime attacks add up over a number of weeks and months until your economy is unable to functioned. I do not have another "Wild E. Coyote" plan to stop all these paper cuts from slowly bleeding your economy to death.

This attack would require 11k in supplies and 11 days to repair. You don't have enough of either. [:(]




John 3rd -> RE: ASW Update (2/20/2009 12:13:20 AM)

AIN'T GOT CRAP!  (This is technical description of my supply situation)

Gotta to go to Denver...





Redd -> RE: ASW Update (2/20/2009 1:07:13 AM)

Dammit, I hate waiting in suspence! [:)] Can't wait to see what happens. [sm=00000613.gif]




John 3rd -> RE: ASW Update (2/20/2009 7:23:53 AM)

Dan and I had a very productive day and got 6 turns in.  Just sent him the September 22nd turn.  Will announce the target for all this excitement on October 1st game turn.  This will then allow for plenty of critical thinking and commentary that can help make this awe-inspiring piece of brilliance even MORE brilliant!

It is taking FOREVER for me to get everything into the Soerabaja area! 




Bogo Mil -> RE: ASW Update (2/20/2009 10:00:44 AM)

I think it's better to go for India than Ceylon. Dan can ignore the capture of Ceylon. Supplies can be shipped from Caclutta to malaya/Indochina, so his huge Asian army is not cut off.

Dan wants to win by points, and if you can run wild in India, you may "borrow" a lot of points there. If he doesn't react and recapture the bases there, his autovictory will be delayed. If he does react, his advance to China will be slower. This delays the autovictory, too.

Only if he catches your invasion at sea, he can earn extra points and get victory earlier. That's the risk... I think it's worth it. Going for Ceylon wouldn't be much safer...




John 3rd -> RE: ASW Update (2/20/2009 5:08:22 PM)

September 22,1944
Soerabaja

A lone B-29 passes high overhead and sees nearly 150 warships of the massed Imperial Fleet below it.  Nearly 350 Fighters take off in pursuit of the lonely bomber as it broadcasts its discovery.

The clock just started ticking fellas...






Mark VII -> RE: ASW Update (2/20/2009 6:46:47 PM)

Good thing the Americans don't have any nuke's yet! That would be a worthy target.

quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

September 22,1944
Soerabaja

A lone B-29 passes high overhead and sees nearly 150 warships of the massed Imperial Fleet below it.  Nearly 350 Fighters take off in pursuit of the lonely bomber as it broadcasts its discovery.

The clock just started ticking fellas...








castor troy -> RE: ASW Update (2/20/2009 7:10:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark VII

Good thing the Americans don't have any nuke's yet! That would be a worthy target.

quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

September 22,1944
Soerabaja

A lone B-29 passes high overhead and sees nearly 150 warships of the massed Imperial Fleet below it.  Nearly 350 Fighters take off in pursuit of the lonely bomber as it broadcasts its discovery.

The clock just started ticking fellas...








has anyone ever tested if a nuke also destroys or damages the ships at a base?




Mark VII -> RE: ASW Update (2/20/2009 7:15:28 PM)

good question castor, I was just thinking IRL.


quote:

ORIGINAL: castor troy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark VII

Good thing the Americans don't have any nuke's yet! That would be a worthy target.

quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

September 22,1944
Soerabaja

A lone B-29 passes high overhead and sees nearly 150 warships of the massed Imperial Fleet below it.  Nearly 350 Fighters take off in pursuit of the lonely bomber as it broadcasts its discovery.

The clock just started ticking fellas...








has anyone ever tested if a nuke also destroys or damages the ships at a base?





castor troy -> RE: ASW Update (2/20/2009 7:26:45 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark VII

good question castor, I was just thinking IRL.


quote:

ORIGINAL: castor troy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark VII

Good thing the Americans don't have any nuke's yet! That would be a worthy target.

quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

September 22,1944
Soerabaja

A lone B-29 passes high overhead and sees nearly 150 warships of the massed Imperial Fleet below it.  Nearly 350 Fighters take off in pursuit of the lonely bomber as it broadcasts its discovery.

The clock just started ticking fellas...








has anyone ever tested if a nuke also destroys or damages the ships at a base?





we know of real life but the game... [;)]




John 3rd -> DEI (2/20/2009 10:00:47 PM)

Well...so be it for my predictions.  I was certain Dan would swing his land juggernaut into China and drive me from the mainland.  This doesn't look like the plan.  He is moving solidly into the Western DEI landing at Muntok and appears to be moving towards Singkawang.

CRAP.

I will not deviate from my plan.  There is a decent amount of LBA in the area and they move to act.  Concentrate planes at Batavia, Merak, Telekbetong, and Kuching.  Sortie 2 DD TF from Soerabaja to attack.  I'm not pulling enough to affect Operation Downfall but might be able to sting him some.

Impending dooooooommmmm....




tocaff -> RE: DEI (2/20/2009 10:57:00 PM)

Remember to be flexible, not dogma driven. 

BANZAI!




Nemo121 -> RE: DEI (2/20/2009 11:01:09 PM)

Question: The cost of this "raid" is to weaken what you currently hold. Its all well and good to try a surprise attack etc but what strategic and enduring benefit are you expecting to gain from this raid which outweighs the territory you are going to lose by not having these units available as garrisons over the next couple of months.

It may be that the benefit is there and this is a reasonable proposition but I'm unsure from what you've posted that this is the case. 




John 3rd -> RE: DEI (2/20/2009 11:26:20 PM)

Am waiting for Dan's last turn of the day and am reflecting on what has been written here.

I don't think Dan is going to make a solid effort in the Western DEI.  All my bases are under his 4EB coverage so why bother.  This is me thinking inside Dan's head.  I would attack the southern area of Japan through the conquored land to the west of Canton and Hong Kong or even--perhaps--try an amphibious attack against either of those targets or Swatow.  These attacks wouldn't attack into the face of my strength and make the best sense to me.

This I will stake things on this choice.  I have an operational reserve of 4 Jap Infantry Divisions in Central China and they are now getting marching orders to advance down in this direction.  There is an Infantry Division that I just purchased in Pusan.  It will be carried to Swatow and serve as a closer reserve.  Will have to CAP it to protect it from bombers but should be able to get it in.

The ONLY thing that can change the current strategic formula is a desperation throw of the dice.  That is Operation Downfall.  All troops shall be concentrated in two days and the convoys will depart.  I can then hold the Fleet back for up to a week before it has to sail.

I don't think Dan spotted the entire Fleet at Soerabaja.  There has not been another recon of this valuable port for 3 days.  Once the Fleet is refueled (I have 110,000 fuel unloading in Soerabaja right now) I will move it to a less obvious position.  All my AOs are gathered at Bali carrying nearly 100,000 fuel for the trip.  The Troop Convoys are at Balikpapan getting ready to fuel from a convoy due in two days.  Once they have fueled the operation shall commence.

Logistics, logistics, logistics...






John 3rd -> Inner Perimeter (2/20/2009 11:32:02 PM)

Should also note that if the US Fleet decides to try something decisive (like invading Formosa or Okinawa), they will be in for a rude surprise:

1.  I have over 3,000 AS at Okinawa spread between Kadina and Naha. 
2.  Formosa has close to 4,000 AS holdings its three hexes.  Might actually welcome this happening since they are rested, full strength, and decently supplied.
3.  The Philippines would be a better move by the Americans since it isn't as strongly held as it was just a few weeks ago. 
4.  The Marianas would be good because they are strongly held and reasonably supplied.

If there is an American Fleet move I will have considerable time to prepare for it and know that Dan will hesitate at Iwo Jima before deciding where to go.  Am certain he won't have a definite target but will look for a target of opportunity.  This will mean that there SHOULD be a good chance of unprepared troops landing somewhere where my troops are prepped 100%.

Just thinking out loud...




John 3rd -> RE: Inner Perimeter (2/21/2009 3:28:35 AM)

Just finished my evening turn with this game.

As I think more about my decisions I realize that I am right.  Dan had a group of CVEs (I think) move into the area SE of Singapore and I panic thinking he is moving.  His TF unloading a Regiment yesterday at Muntok is now reloading it in the face of heavy bomber attacks.  Managed to hit 4 AP and 2 AK and cause some serious damage.  Now he is pulling them back (it appears),  The CVEs feinted and now appear to be heading toward Saigon. 

I'll bet that he feels like he can hug the coast and continue the amphibious hooks he used in Malaya.  Ain't gonna happen!  I order the China Reserve south.  I also order 3 more Inf Div, 2 Brig, and 2 Aviation Reg from northern China to the south.  At Pusan I load an entire Inf Div for Swatow.  Hong Kong is fairly safe with a strong garrison at Canton (5 Inf Div, 1 Brigade, and support) that can lend support.  First step is beef-up Swatow and then aid Canton/Hong Kong.

Begin to concentrate bombers and some fighters for a major air action...

If I am right I probably have 7-10 days to get things as strong as possible before the hammer falls.





John 3rd -> Eastern DEI (2/21/2009 5:57:07 AM)

The forces finish gathering, refuel, and prepare to sail.

A group of 15 I-Boats depart on September 26th.



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John 3rd -> Silver Bees Strike! (2/21/2009 6:08:36 AM)

Hiroshima, Japan

The string of strong Japanese aerial battles is broken on the 25th over the skies of Hiroshima.  There are 68 Zero flying CAP but they are crushed by a Sweep of 48 P-47 from Tori Shima.  They pilots are terribly overmatched and only 4 P-47 fall in exchange for a staggering 38 Zeros.  Despite radar warning, there are no planes in the air when a combination strike of B-29 arrive from China and Sakhalin.  A staggering 422 Silver Bees line-up and drop their loads without any sort of disturbance!  It hurts to watch.  Everything hits the aircraft industry within the city and 163 Factory Points are destroyed.  VERY bad!

Toyama, Japan

Toyama is hit at the same time but this fight is far different.

A goodly force of 82 Fighters take on a strike from sakhalin of 3 P-61 and 142 B-24.  The Fighters quickly slash all 3 American Fighters and then they assault the B-24.  The Japanese lose 5 Fighters in the air and 7 on the ground.  The Americans lose the 3 Fighters and 24 B-24 with 49 Damaged.  Attack results are good for the Japanese in that 8 Resources and minor AF damage occurs.


This day sees an aerial victory and an aerial defeat.  Hmmm....




Nemo121 -> RE: Silver Bees Strike! (2/21/2009 9:50:33 AM)

Obviously you are going north but going west initially through Lombok/Bali would prevent your forces from being as easily spotte by naval searches. Once clear you can head diagonally north-west and then hit India from the west (potentially intercepting a few convoys at sea also ).

Obviously though you MAY want to be spotted soon as part of a misdirection but I doubt this is your plan and if it is it is sub-optimal IMO.




John 3rd -> RE: Silver Bees Strike! (2/21/2009 6:03:21 PM)

I hadn't thought of actually going through Bali but will do that.  Good thought.

The key is secrecy.  I've moved most of the Kaigun to Pamakasan.  Don't want to be spotted at all if possible.

The best news is that Soryu will be semi-operational for this mission.  Her Sys Dam just dropped below 20 and can participate with the CVEs.  Her 63 planes will be most welcome. 

Moved 50 Transports into Formosa and am airlifting into Swatow an Eng Reg and Con Batn.  I haven't expanded the Forts there since the start of the war and they are only at 3.  Loaded the 1st Inf Div into AP at Pusan for the trip to Swatow.  There are no units near Canton so I moved an Inf Div to Hong Kong to help with defence.

I AM right!  Dan's CVEs were spotted with some AP hugging the coast along southern Indochina.  They only be planning an Amphib Strike.





John 3rd -> DEI Action (2/23/2009 4:42:06 AM)

Busy screenshot as things get moving...



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John 3rd -> China Assault (2/23/2009 4:48:05 AM)

The movement into China has begun...



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John 3rd -> October 1944 VP--Industrial Report (2/23/2009 5:34:54 AM)

October 1, 1944
Victory Points and Economic Summary

Victory Points:

Score
Japan 56,459 (Up 747 Points)
Allies 73,300 (Up 5,661 Points)

Strategic Losses 12,974 (Up 2,268)

For the seventh month in a row I GAIN victory points. Considering everything that I lost during the month this isn’t too bad.

The Japanese are fully cleared out of Malaya and Indochina with a massive invasion of Japanese-held China coming next.

Strategic losses continue to mount but I have inflicted serious losses on the American effort. IT is grinding my economy down but I cans till knock down his aircraft in decent numbers…

Most of the month is spent preparing fro the invasion of Western India. Operation Furouka-Go has been initiated. It will take most of the month for the troops and Kaigun to get there so we’ll simply have to take it until then.


Ships Sunk
Japan 1,036—10,064 VP (up 155)—I lost 24 ships during September. Nearly all of these losses come from either the final evacuations from Malaya and Indochina or from the ASW War. These were my losses: 1 AD, 10 AK, 2 AP, 1 AS, 1 TK, 4 PC, 3 ML, 1 MSW, and 1 DD.

The lack of Japanese warships lost is a real indicator of my Fleet preparing for Downfall..

Major Japanese Vessels Sunk to Date---CV Junyo, Hiyo, Hiryu, and Katsuragi, BB Fuso, Yamashiro, Mutsu, Nagato, Musashi, and Yamato, BC Kirishima, Haruna, and Kongo, 6 CA , 14 CL, 108 DD, and 48 SS.

Allies 1,351---14,874 VP (up 91)---Dan also lost only 12 ships in September. Exact Losses are: 6 AK and 5 SS (Tambor, Statesman, Grampus, Hackleback, and Apogon).

Major Allied Vessels Sunk---CVs Enterprise, Lexington, Hornet, Wasp and Intrepid, CVL Langley, 6 CVE, BBs Colorado, West Virginia, Idaho, Tennessee, Arizona, Prince of Wales, Alabama, Oklahoma, North Carolina, Mississippi, BC Renown, 15 CA, 10 CL, 103 DD, and 76 SS.

ASW Attacks for September:
ASW Task Force: 10 (Down 1)
ASW Land-Based Air: 23 (up 7)

These are attacks that scored damage on an Allied SS. The fight is fast and furious right now. I am averaging sinking an Allied SS every 5 days and severely damaging another every 3-4 days. Seemingly this makes no difference but they are sinking!

Manchukuo Garrison---8,741---UP 135---(8,000 Needed)
Political Points---269

Units Transferred:
Ist Inf Div transferred to Southern Area Army heading for China.

Industrial Report
Supply 980,167--Down 107,351
Fuel 1,287,636—Down 71,000
Manpower 738 (1,322,249)—Up 46,000
Heavy Industry 12,861 (290,927)—HI Down 358 and surplus UP 9,000
Resources 11,137 (1,303,335)—Lost 863 Resource Centers---Strategic Bombing
Oil 1,712 (509,297)—Down 131 Oil Centers

Mixed economic bag as normal.

Supply is getting to be horrific. Very scarce.

I’ve got buckets of fuel and not enough oil. Normal story there.

Dan’s Strategic Bombing continues handing it to the resources. Don’t have a crisis here yet but trouble is on the horizon (figure 6 months or so).


Shipyards
Naval 1,178 (8)
Merchant 981 (3)
Repair 1,388

Carriers
Aso Combleted
Ikoma (23 Days)

7 DD were completed last month.

I have turned off about 50% of shipbuilding and will completely shutdown Merchant building this month. The ASW ships are still rolling off the ways so I’ll keep some of the naval yards running.

Weapons
Armament 787 (21,154)-Increase of 2 to the industry.
Vehicles 179 (14,056)

I have the stockpile growing. Thanks to Damian’s suggestion I am bringing the two areas into balance with each other. Will begin to shutdown some of the plants to help HI stockpile.

Aircraft
Engines 2,129 (up 39)
Assembly 1,771+(10-Rd)

Good news here as engines increased and production grew by 67 for the month. Considering the bombardment this is somewhat surprising.

Engine Production
Mitsubishi 685(135)—Need 958—445 in Pool
Nakajima 1,364(187)—Need 1,255---2,183 in Pool
Kawasaki 000---Need 22---94 in Pool
Aichi 80---Need 90---197 in Pool

Mitsubishi production grew and surplus expanded. Have nearly all bombers off right now. Increased the Naka pool by 300 over the previous month.

Plane Production
Fighters Planes/Month (in Pool)
A6M2 0 (138)
A6M3 0 (0)
A6M3a 0 (174)
Oscar 0 (0)
Oscar IIa 0 (48)
Tojo 0 (104)
Tony 0 (26)
Jack 150 (14)
A6M5c 31 (279)
A6M5 113 (495)
Oscar III 0 (12)
Ki-61 Tony 22 (144)
N1K1 George 91 (0)
Frank 1a 563 (57)
Frank 1c 0-Rd (12/44)
A6M8 0-Rd (06/45)
J7W-Shinden 10-Rd (08/45)

Have a few more units to upgrade to Frank but Army planes are now OK as Navy planes plummet due to heavy combat. Jacks and Georges expanded this month but stockpiles dropped to zero.

Bombers
Betty 0 (183)
Betty 2 0 (183)
Frances 105 (170)
Sally 0 (87)
Helen 0 (343)
Lily 0 (33)
Nick-a 0 (25)
Nick-b 0 (0)
Val 0 (357)
Kate 0 (148)
Judy 90 (353)
Jill 0 (256)
Grace 127 (65) All CVs have shifted to Grace
Randy 22 (8)
Peggy 178 (7)
Betty 2e 38 Just started production and I CAN use these planes.

Am producing a few bombers but not many. Got a few Peggy building as well as the new Betty 2e. Can use those Piloted bombs.

Recon/Float
Emily 28 (0)
Alf 16 (12)
Pete 0 (99)
Pete A 0 (7)
Rufe 11 (114)
Glen 0 (21)
Dinah 0 (0)
Irving-R 0 (19)
Irving-S 23 (0)
Jake 12 (12)
Babs 0 (0)
Dinah-3 52 (8)
C6N Myrt 24 (122)
C6N1-S 23 (0)

Stopped all recon production except Emily, Irving, Dinah-3, and Myrts.


Transports
Tina 16 (17)
Sally 0 (0)
Topsy 28 (3)
Mavis-L 0 (0)
Tabby 0 (14)

Have small amount of Tina and Topsy being produced.




John 3rd -> You ASKED for it... (2/23/2009 5:50:04 AM)

*****************THIS IS AN EYES ONLY MESSAGE**********************

TO: Operational Leaders of Japanese Empire

Subject: Furyouka-Go
Invasion: Trivandrum, India

Codename: Operation Downfall
Objective: The Invasion of Western India
Planned Invasion Date: October 25, 1944

I said people could know when we hit October 1, 1944. Well here you go everyone. I cannot stop the assault going on in the western pacific or in southern China but I sure COULD sow chaos in India.

The plan is to land at Trivandrum, drive like hell North with immediate objectives being Mandalore and Bangalore, 1st major objective is the capture of Bombay, and then we roll NW towards Karachi. The screenshot will help…

Here is the loaded, final Land element of the invasion:

Headquarters
2nd Area Army, Command HQ
33rd Army HQ
21st Air Flotilla

Infantry (1400)
1st Guards Inf Div (450)
103rd Inf Div (410)
46th Inf Div (410)
1st/2nd Parachute Rgt (60/60)

Armor (1350)
1st TK Div (330)
2nd TK Div (354)
3rd TK Div (375)
2nd/4th/8th/10th TK Reg (75 each)

Engineers (140)
21st Reserve Eng Rgt (40)
4th Eng Rgt (40)
20th Eng Reg (40)

Aviation (150)
11th Aviation Rgt
28th Special BF
122nd IJA BF

Crated Aircraft
4 Sentai of Frank
2 Daitai of Zero
2 Daitai of Peggy
2 Units of Topsy
2 Units of Tina

Supply
100,000

Naval Component
The Kaigun will attempt to sink everything on the western side of India with a TF breakdown as follows:

FAST CV: Amagi-Unryu TF with Kasagi--Aso TF (4 CV and 2 CVL) to block exit to Aden Channel

MIDDLE CV: Akagi-Kaga, Sho--Zui, and Taiho TF (5 CV and 4 CVL) to hit any shipping moving along the west coast of India

SOUTH/SLOW CV: CV Soryu, CVL Hosho and 5 CVE to cover the Invasion Force and pick off any shipping at the southern tip of India/Ceylon




GOALS: Wreak as much havoc as possible to Allied Supplies and Damage the Indian economy in an effort to force a pullback of Allied Troops from the China Theatre.



From: Prime Minister Cochran




John 3rd -> Isn't it pretty??? (2/23/2009 6:02:34 AM)

Details of plans so far...



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Alikchi2 -> RE: Isn't it pretty??? (2/23/2009 6:10:56 AM)

You are insane!

...

This should be fun to watch.




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