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flaggelant -> RE: Kaigun Final Sortie? (4/1/2009 5:15:57 PM)

as kind of a sidenote to "bombing the economy"

main aspect described when bombed is AC & engine production,
do the manpower, HI etc suffer equal or more damage?

and about what do you repair? 
since there will be fewer convoys arriving, would it be usefull to not repair parts of the industy as they won't have a 100%
production scedule in a couple of months or do you repair everything to try & keep up with what gets destroyed?

 



John 3rd -> RE: Kaigun Final Sortie? (4/1/2009 5:20:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: n01487477


I really am surprised somewhat that Dan hasn't stopped your ability to bring in Res and Oil for the Southern Part of Borneo and Java ... I know he probably thinks he is doing great damage to your economy with bombing, but strangling the Res/Oil from these regions with a landing at Menado, Palau, Davao or even Tomini could have really have twisted the cord. Interesting decisions & it keeps you in it for a bit more...

I note you didn't do an economic review for this month, I guess you are extremely busy but if you'd like me to have a look & do some assessment pls. pass the file to Micheal (as you know I'm interested in the '44 econ data.)

Damian



I was going to post a Dec Econ Report but then I stupidly saved over the file! Made me mad so I was going to wait until January 1st; however, I will send a file along right now! Be prepared to be sickened and appalled!



John 3rd -> RE: Kaigun Final Sortie? (4/1/2009 5:25:10 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: flaggelant

as kind of a sidenote to "bombing the economy"

main aspect described when bombed is AC & engine production,
do the manpower, HI etc suffer equal or more damage?

and about what do you repair? 
since there will be fewer convoys arriving, would it be usefull to not repair parts of the industy as they won't have a 100%
production scedule in a couple of months or do you repair everything to try & keep up with what gets destroyed?

 


Dan has chosen to attack my Resources FOREVER and though this is beginning to have an effect it should have been OIL! Recent attacks have been on Tokyo's Heavy Industry. Once again this doesn't hurt that much since I have shutdown nearly all of my shipyards (Merchant and Naval). My surplus continues to grow.

I have a large TF of Oil (mentioned earlier) that is now at Davao. I am splitting it into 3 TF of 6 TK and will try to run them Home. They carry a full month's supply of Oil so it would be great to get any of them home.

If they make it home then I will run them back out with fuel for helping the Fleet when it returns from the current sortie.

As to Engines, I have issues with Mitsubishi but my Nakajima stockpile is pretty decent. Don't know why Dan hasn't gone after these hardly at all...



John 3rd -> Barges...Barges... (4/1/2009 7:07:55 PM)

Fight at Shanghai...



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John 3rd -> China Attacks (4/1/2009 7:20:26 PM)

Here is current situation in China and Formosa.



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Mark VII -> RE: Barges...Barges... (4/1/2009 8:24:47 PM)

Go USS Nashville! One of my favorite ships since I work in Nashville and live nearby.


quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Fight at Shanghai...

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flaggelant -> RE: Kaigun Final Sortie? (4/2/2009 12:18:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd


Don't know why Dan hasn't gone after these hardly at all...




i guess its one of the few late war advantages, that the allied player usually doesnt have a single clue about what
jap economy is doing at that stage [:D]



John 3rd -> RE: Kaigun Final Sortie? (4/2/2009 4:17:07 AM)

I've seen that.  If any Allied FB reads this always remember OIL is NOT your primary target!  Hit the resources, heavy industry, and shipyards...



John 3rd -> RE: Kaigun Final Sortie? (4/2/2009 6:50:36 AM)

The Fleet just sailed past Guam with no observation.  There is an SS at Marcus and I have an ASW TF moving to sink it.

Damian--I sent a turn to Michael because I couldn't find your email address.




Panther Bait -> RE: Kaigun Final Sortie? (4/2/2009 3:06:30 PM)

John,

Your HI pool might be increasing but how about supply?  Resources and heavy industry are your basic sources of supply (except for any auto supply). So I think Dan might be going after your supply pool and allowing you production since he can kill just about anything you produce. 

Mike



Q-Ball -> RE: Kaigun Final Sortie? (4/2/2009 3:17:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

I've seen that.  If any Allied FB reads this always remember OIL is NOT your primary target!  Hit the resources, heavy industry, and shipyards...



Or just go right after advanced fighter factories, that's another good target. I agree on RESOURCES, because they make supplies that you need to expand industry, particularly advanced fighter types. But Dan should be bombing your FRANK factories as well.

Going after aircraft engines or HI is a crapshoot, because you have no idea what kind of stockpile the Japanese player has. As Japan, you can stockpile both of these ahead of time.



flaggelant -> RE: Kaigun Final Sortie? (4/2/2009 5:05:17 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

Or just go right after advanced fighter factories, that's another good target. I agree on RESOURCES, because they make supplies that you need to expand industry, particularly advanced fighter types. But Dan should be bombing your FRANK factories as well.



does the allied player get to see a detailed rapport on what kind of factory he bombed?? (dunno, never got that far)



John 3rd -> Operation Downfall Update (4/2/2009 11:05:51 PM)

The Japanese Army has experienced all sorts of troubles in India due to terrible road maps making units decide to go cross country (or is that cross-mountains?); however, it hasn't all been bad with the Allies surrendering in several places. This is the current turn:



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John 3rd -> Nanchang Repulse (4/2/2009 11:10:29 PM)

On the same turn as we grab Pangrim, I note that the Japanese Army inflicts one heck of a bloody nose on the Allied army at Nanchang, China.  The 350,000 Allied Troops attack and get a 0-1 Forts stay at 8 (they have climbed from 7 and will move back to 9 next turn).  Casualties are something:

Japan  3,941 Cas  132 Guns
Allies  15,344 Cas  176 Guns  12 Vehicles

Pretty nice result.  The Modified AS was 1-2 in Japan's favor.

In other China areas I have pulled all my troops from Ningpro and Woochow to the city hex due west of Shanghai.  With Forts 9 and 2,200 AS we shall fight there...
 



John 3rd -> Operational Plans (4/2/2009 11:34:23 PM)

We have acquired a TARGET:



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ny59giants -> Economic Reports (4/3/2009 12:09:19 AM)

Here are the latest economic reports. First up is the overview. I have used Tracker for some time now and used it back when John's economy had the front two wheels over the cliff. Now, I look at and see the damage done by allied airpower.

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ny59giants -> RE: Economic Reports (4/3/2009 12:10:19 AM)

Supply, what supply??


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ny59giants -> RE: Economic Reports (4/3/2009 12:12:46 AM)

That sound you hear is the Heavy Industry shutting down as it runs out of Oil.


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ny59giants -> RE: Economic Reports (4/3/2009 12:16:36 AM)

Air production, what's left of it along with engines.

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ny59giants -> RE: Economic Reports (4/3/2009 12:20:26 AM)

Naval Production is shut down with many ships still "pending."

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ny59giants -> RE: Economic Reports (4/3/2009 12:22:45 AM)

LCU Production for the next 90 days.

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ny59giants -> RE: Economic Reports (4/3/2009 12:24:59 AM)

Ships sunk to date.

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n01487477 -> RE: Economic Reports (4/3/2009 3:53:38 AM)

Being positive about the economy at this stage is difficult and I think John has done a good job keeping it together for as long as he has...there was a point some months ago when I feared that it would reach critical mass much earlier, but good management has resulted in keeping it chugging along until now...because my friends I feel the grease is hardening the arteries and the engine is spluttering. But it isn't all that grim yet ...The tipping point will start today as Japan runs out of oil and then in 20 days when the other regions do likewise and HI production drops to zero. Lastly the final death roll will be come in around 70 days as John runs out of accumulated HI...that is unless those TK's get through !

  • How do I calculate this ?
    John is now surviving on around 4000HI a day, and has been producing around 10K, but this is all about to change as Japan fails to have enough fuel and therefore the Imperial economy will only produce about 3500HI/day. So a shortfall of 500HI.

    Then Manchuko/Formosa/NthChina stops in about 20, a shortfall of 4000/day.

    Then accumulated HI / use = about 70days(I'm not at home so am working on figures in my mind)

    Then that's it...

    But while Borneo still stands and the shipping lanes are traverseable ... [;)]

  • Shipbuilding (you need to halt all the ships you don't intend building in the Naval roster so you will be able to pinpoint your building)
    For 198 HI you can get the first 6 ships to be completed... or if you just want the 7 DD's in the next 30 days incl accelerated... 1806 HI total (might be a small price to pay for these as you have already almost completed them) --- and there is "accumulated sunk costs". Anyway your choice.

  • Repair yards to my knowledge don't use HI/Res/Supply so turning them off is not required.

  • Your plane production is a marvel to behold ... keep cranking them out John...[:'(] well at least for the next 70 days. One thing however is that it would be nice if you could find an AirHQ with enough supplies to reinforce many of your airgroups that are depleted, even if you are using cannon fodder pilots...Upgrading Tony's, reinforcing Zekes,nicks,george, frank units...(anyway not being critical - just I have to do this V Nemo alot and it takes me almost as long as planning the turn - but it has kept my airforce still in the fight somewhat ... I should write up in my AAR how and what I've done) -- sorry for my self-congratulatory tone, it is the small bright light in my game!

  • If things get critical we coud even turn off the Nakajima plants and save another 723HI/day, your reserves should last 3 months at least.

  • LCU's will all come in full strength, reinforcements to existing troops is unlikely to really dent that as your supply levels are so low.

    Any Q's comments ... as I am often incorrect [;)]

    Cheers to one and all ...
    Damian



    • John 3rd -> RE: Economic Reports (4/3/2009 6:34:28 AM)

    Thanks to my Economic Advisors! 

    Considering where things were when Michael and Damon helped to teach me "Japanese Economy 101" I do agree that it is a miracle to have gotten this far before the collapse.  I have a month's worth of Oil now about 240 NE of Mindanao traveling in 3 TF of 2 PC and 6-7 TK.  IF I can get them home then there is 180,000 Oil.  If they don't make it...well...then Damian and Michael's forecast is what will happen!

    Did you notice how many AK I have sunk of Dans?  How about 98 SS??!! 



    John 3rd -> A Death of 1,000 Wounds (4/3/2009 7:32:37 AM)

    Well--it isn't much but I probably sank 3 AK and 3 LST with today's attacks. Just have to think "Baby Steps to victory. Baby Steps to winning." Anyone hear Bill Murray's voice with that? [sm=Cool-049.gif]


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    John 3rd -> This might be fun... (4/3/2009 7:34:37 AM)

    Then we have the great TK Race to the west of Iwo Jima and the Great "SMASH THEM ALL" move by the Kaigun to the east of Iwo...



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    SierraJuliet -> RE: This might be fun... (4/3/2009 7:54:55 AM)

    Good luck on sneaking up unexpected again. [sm=00000036.gif]



    flaggelant -> RE: Economic Reports (4/3/2009 12:38:47 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: n01487477
  • If things get critical we coud even turn off the Nakajima plants and save another 723HI/day, your reserves should last 3 months at least.

  • LCU's will all come in full strength, reinforcements to existing troops is unlikely to really dent that as your supply levels are so low.

    Any Q's comments ... as I am often incorrect [;)]

    Cheers to one and all ...
    Damian


    • a quick Q;

    i didn't see current armament levels, but doesnt the above mean that you guys are OK in armament?
    if i look at the imense armament production and related HI cost, wouldn't that be a great industry sector to save on HI consumption? (lasting a couple months longer is IMO worth way more than receiving the last reinforcements to japan in full strength, since it is fortified as it is)

    Don't know if i overlooked something in the assumption? still learning a lot over here [&o]



    vettim89 -> RE: Kaigun Final Sortie? (4/3/2009 1:03:34 PM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: John 3rd

    I've seen that.  If any Allied FB reads this always remember OIL is NOT your primary target!  Hit the resources, heavy industry, and shipyards...




    The AFB Guide to the Japanese Economy:


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    Panther Bait -> RE: Kaigun Final Sortie? (4/3/2009 1:31:47 PM)

    WOW!  Am I reading correctly that the Home Islands have a total of 132000+/- supply left?  Ouch!  Looks like even Osaka and Fukuoka have less than 20,000 each.

    Not pretty, especially with only <10,000 produced a day, and a supply need over 70,000 (which is only going to climb when those late war LCU reinforcements start coming in).  There is at least one advantage to bombing resources.



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