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gwheelock -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (2/20/2008 9:42:32 PM)

Oh?  So you are volunteering to leave your army in France then?

Nappy's starting to feel a bit hungry - needs a snack before
dinnertime.  (Since the Prussian war started in Jan; that HAS
to qualify as "Breakfest" & the rest of those minors would be
"lunch")



ess1 -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (2/21/2008 12:59:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jimmer

See? France is the one to beat, guys. Let's go get 'im! I'll commit my whole army to the task, anyhow.

Reminds me of my days playing postal Dippy[;)]



Jimmer -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (2/21/2008 5:21:56 PM)

gwheelock: You're forgetting "Tea Time". At the size of the British army, they would pretty much count as "crumpets".

ess1: My army is about the same size as it would be in Diplomacy, too. :)



ess1 -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (2/21/2008 6:02:47 PM)

Interesting thought but I fear I'm too old for "crumpet nowadays[:(]



gwheelock -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (2/21/2008 10:56:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jimmer

gwheelock: You're forgetting "Tea Time". At the size of the British army, they would pretty much count as "crumpets".

ess1: My army is about the same size as it would be in Diplomacy, too. :)


OK; so the Brits are crumpets & the Swedes would then qualify as
"Swedish Tea Cakes" ?[:'(]

(FYI to everyone else - My wife bakes & gives out cookies for christmas -
Jimmer's favorites are ones called either "Swedish Tea Cakes" or "Russian
Tea Cakes" [same cookie just different names])



gwheelock -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (2/28/2008 7:23:52 AM)

Ok; here are the results from the July 1805 dp phase :

Austria attempts dp on Swabia - successful (inf)
Austria attempts dp on Dalmatia -unsuccessful
Prussia attempts dp on Nassau & Hesse - both unsucessful
Britain attempts dp on Papacy & Persia - both unsuccessful
Spain attempts dp on Algeria - unsuccessful

France DOWs Naples/Sicily - Spain gets control (and will get to keep it)
France DOWs Tunisia - Turkey gets control (and will get to keep it)
Turkey DOWs Cyrenica

Several alliance attempts - all unsuccessful

Prussia unconditionally surrenders to France. Terms are :
3 Provences - Magdeberg, Pommeramia, Wurttemberg
36 Months peace
large money


Here is what the central map looks like :

[image]local://upfiles/27656/026B80E1BCB543669580B9C305787F63.jpg[/image]

Prussia ends the war with 18I, 5M + June econ



delatbabel -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (2/28/2008 10:56:18 AM)

Well at least Prussia will get the chance to sit back for the next 36 months and watch Austria get annihilated (possibly even twice if they are lucky).



AresMars -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (2/28/2008 3:33:27 PM)

gwheelock, can we see the PSA chart and VP totals for this game?




Jimmer -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (2/28/2008 6:07:43 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: delatbabel

Well at least Prussia will get the chance to sit back for the next 36 months and watch Austria get annihilated (possibly even twice if they are lucky).


The 36 months does not protect Prussia, but rather France. This French player is ruthless. He's one of the best there are at this game, too. Prussia's only real hope is for the upcoming war (plus the peace time spent gobbling minors) is long enough to use up most of that 36 months.

IF Prussia can get back into a war with France WHILE Austria or Russia is at war, then Prussia has at least some bargaining chips to play. But, it's going to take some pretty interesting game-play to accomplish that.



Jimmer -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (2/28/2008 6:09:31 PM)

Say, gwheelock: I really like what you've done to your corps counters (blacking out the corps numbers and movement remaining). Very good!



gwheelock -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (2/28/2008 8:51:42 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AresMars

gwheelock, can we see the PSA chart and VP totals for this game?




Here is the current (reinforcement of July 1805) political statuses:
(THIS is why I DOWed Naples/Sicily & Tunisia for Spain & Turkey -
I knew I would be bouncing off the top of the chart & figured I might
as well burn the extra pp's in a good cause as lose them)


[image]local://upfiles/27656/9CAF5BEF9B464CA1BF9EE76F5CD97FFE.jpg[/image]



gwheelock -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (2/28/2008 8:53:33 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AresMars

gwheelock, can we see the PSA chart and VP totals for this game?




And here are the VP's (they havn't changed since the June econ phase)



[image]local://upfiles/27656/E12C729399A9480D93B5B7413FDDDF7C.jpg[/image]



gwheelock -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (2/28/2008 9:26:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jimmer


quote:

ORIGINAL: delatbabel

Well at least Prussia will get the chance to sit back for the next 36 months and watch Austria get annihilated (possibly even twice if they are lucky).


The 36 months does not protect Prussia, but rather France. This French player is ruthless. He's one of the best there are at this game, too. Prussia's only real hope is for the upcoming war (plus the peace time spent gobbling minors) is long enough to use up most of that 36 months.

IF Prussia can get back into a war with France WHILE Austria or Russia is at war, then Prussia has at least some bargaining chips to play. But, it's going to take some pretty interesting game-play to accomplish that.



RUTHLESS?? - Not me. I didn't start the war; Prussia did. I offered the Prussians a very easy conditional peace back in January (Saxony & 24 months).

Prussia's biggest problem is going to be replacing the army he lost (60I; 17C; 3G + 8 Saxon I & 2 Saxon C =~ $460/180mp). Even with 36 months peace; he will only produce
$360/168mp (remember he is down Madgeberg & Pommeramia) & this assumes he
spends NOTHING on corp/depots or movement & has no wars with anyone else
(of course - depending on who the "anyone" is - he MAY get help from ME[:D]).
I'm not sure if even Britain can afford to come up with over $100 to help him rebuild
while also helping the Russians & Austrians.

I really doubt that the war with Austria will take anywhere near 36 months. I have never
seen a "real war" (the France/GB staredown isn't a real war & neither is on where Russia
hides behind Prussia/Austria & doen't fight) that lasts even a fraction of that time. If my
current plans work out the way that I think they will; my prediction is 6-8 months (from the start of the war) depending on how the battles go & how stubborn the Austrian player
is. (Do I have plans - of course; am I going to discuss them here - not until AFTER they
are triggered)








Jimmer -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (2/28/2008 9:52:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: gwheelock

(THIS is why I DOWed Naples/Sicily & Tunisia for Spain & Turkey -
I knew I would be bouncing off the top of the chart & figured I might
as well burn the extra pp's in a good cause as lose them)

Interesting.

Do you realize that there was a 50/50 chance that Prussia would have gone first, and therefore you would have gained the PP before losing the ones for the DOWs? Unless the game simply adds up all the pluses and minuses and uses the sum, this had a decent chance of dropping you a bit.



Jimmer -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (2/28/2008 9:54:56 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: gwheelock
RUTHLESS?? - Not me. I didn't start the war; Prussia did.

Come now. If you weren't so ruthless, I would have invited you over for tea a long time ago!



Jimmer -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (2/28/2008 9:57:15 PM)

Oh, and a hint to the rest of the EiA-playing world:

As France, it's a very GOOD thing to be ruthless.

<This comment by Jim is now complete. King James of Great Britain has now returned to his office.>



gwheelock -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (2/28/2008 10:05:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jimmer


quote:

ORIGINAL: gwheelock

(THIS is why I DOWed Naples/Sicily & Tunisia for Spain & Turkey -
I knew I would be bouncing off the top of the chart & figured I might
as well burn the extra pp's in a good cause as lose them)

Interesting.

Do you realize that there was a 50/50 chance that Prussia would have gone first, and therefore you would have gained the PP before losing the ones for the DOWs? Unless the game simply adds up all the pluses and minuses and uses the sum, this had a decent chance of dropping you a bit.


There BETTER not be a 50/50 chance of Prussia surrendering (Peace step; 6.4.2) coming before the DOW 6.2 step. Remember - all of this is done in a precisely defined sequence.



AresMars -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (2/28/2008 10:07:56 PM)

gwheelock, thanks for sharing the info I asked for....I was being lazy when I mentioned the VP totals....I should have gone back and checked.

Sorry about that.

I am so use to being able to immediately look and see....



Jimmer -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (3/11/2008 5:47:49 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: gwheelock
There BETTER not be a 50/50 chance of Prussia surrendering (Peace step; 6.4.2) coming before the DOW 6.2 step. Remember - all of this is done in a precisely defined sequence.

You caught me.

Oh, well. I'll just have to sink a few of your ships to make up for the pain I'm feeling now.

( :) )



gwheelock -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (3/12/2008 4:40:08 AM)

OK; here is the status as of the Aug 1805 reinforcement phase:

France DOWs Berg; Prussia gets control
France DOWs Gottingen; Prussia gets control
France DOWs Nassau; Britain gets control
France DOWs Swabia; Austria gets control
France DOWs Lausitz; Prussia gets control
Spain DOWs Papacy; Austria gets control

Several alliance requests; all fail.



gwheelock -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (3/18/2008 3:14:49 AM)

OK; here are the results thru France's land combat phase (France moving first) of August 1805:

France makes UNsuccessful breakin attempts in Berg and Lausitz

Britain removed corp from LaHavre; but left 1 I behind (didn't fit on fleets)
France makes SUCCESSFUL breakin on LaHavre:




[image]local://upfiles/27656/22EEA73C703441269AB353B6DD3D4379.jpg[/image]



gwheelock -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (3/18/2008 3:21:18 AM)

SUCCESSFUL breakin in Grottingen:



[image]local://upfiles/27656/06FE4575AC9A4FCFA1846E6FD7874C69.jpg[/image]



gwheelock -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (3/18/2008 3:23:06 AM)

SUCCESSFUL Breakin in Frankfurt:



[image]local://upfiles/27656/47BEB8995BAD4A1B9B73A142E5C1978E.jpg[/image]



gwheelock -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (3/18/2008 3:24:33 AM)

And SUCCESSFUL breakin in Ulm:


[image]local://upfiles/27656/F36D9B6400FE4AD8BAC467681BBED334.jpg[/image]



bresh -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (3/18/2008 3:34:58 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: gwheelock


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jimmer


quote:

ORIGINAL: delatbabel

Well at least Prussia will get the chance to sit back for the next 36 months and watch Austria get annihilated (possibly even twice if they are lucky).


The 36 months does not protect Prussia, but rather France. This French player is ruthless. He's one of the best there are at this game, too. Prussia's only real hope is for the upcoming war (plus the peace time spent gobbling minors) is long enough to use up most of that 36 months.

IF Prussia can get back into a war with France WHILE Austria or Russia is at war, then Prussia has at least some bargaining chips to play. But, it's going to take some pretty interesting game-play to accomplish that.



RUTHLESS?? - Not me. I didn't start the war; Prussia did. I offered the Prussians a very easy conditional peace back in January (Saxony & 24 months).

Prussia's biggest problem is going to be replacing the army he lost (60I; 17C; 3G + 8 Saxon I & 2 Saxon C =~ $460/180mp). Even with 36 months peace; he will only produce
$360/168mp (remember he is down Madgeberg & Pommeramia) & this assumes he
spends NOTHING on corp/depots or movement & has no wars with anyone else
(of course - depending on who the "anyone" is - he MAY get help from ME[:D]).
I'm not sure if even Britain can afford to come up with over $100 to help him rebuild
while also helping the Russians & Austrians.

I really doubt that the war with Austria will take anywhere near 36 months. I have never
seen a "real war" (the France/GB staredown isn't a real war & neither is on where Russia
hides behind Prussia/Austria & doen't fight) that lasts even a fraction of that time. If my
current plans work out the way that I think they will; my prediction is 6-8 months (from the start of the war) depending on how the battles go & how stubborn the Austrian player
is. (Do I have plans - of course; am I going to discuss them here - not until AFTER they
are triggered)








Did you include if Prussia made Poland in your calculations, this could add couple factors and money ?
Offcourse he would need peace with Austria/Russia while doing so. Since he is not likely to be able to protect it.

Regards
Bresh




Jimmer -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (3/18/2008 7:08:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: gwheelock

Britain removed corp from LaHavre; but left 1 I behind (didn't fit on fleets)

Actually, I left it behind because it didn't fit on the fleet LAST turn, when we ran into the bug. I could have fit it on the fleet this turn, but that would have meant you wouldn't get the shot at the political point (which you earned) that you would have gotten last turn, had you not exited the area due to the bug.

One good noble play deserves another. :)



Jimmer -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (3/18/2008 7:13:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: gwheelock

France makes SUCCESSFUL breakin on LaHavre:


Interesting. I thought I set him on "surrender". Oh, well. Must have forgotten. The colonel in charge must have been having too much French wine.

By the way, the Prime Minister thanks you: Many bottles of fine French wines made their way to Portsmouth, where the PM was gratefully waiting for this "gift" the Usurper sent our way by way of the ports of Le Havre and Saint Malo.



gwheelock -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (3/19/2008 2:57:44 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bresh



Did you include if Prussia made Poland in your calculations, this could add couple factors and money ?
Offcourse he would need peace with Austria/Russia while doing so. Since he is not likely to be able to protect it.

Regards
Bresh




Good point. No; I hadn't. That would add an addional $144 & 60MP to Prussias total (over 36 months). I suspect that he will PROBABLY not have problems with Russia & Austria (The "6th Coalition" [http://www.napoleonguide.com/coalitions.htm] seems to have manifested somewhat early in this game )

That would give him enough money/mp to get roughly back to where he was at the
start of 1805. OTHOH - I DID manage to BEAT what he had at the start of 1805.
(plus - there is always some "wastage" with creating FS stuff so he probably wouldn't
get full use out of the extra $)

His best hope is that Austria/Russia can wear me down to the point that I'm not radically
BIGGER than he is & that that will give him a chance to fight & win.



Jimmer -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (3/24/2008 5:37:15 PM)

His Majesties forces fought just one round of combat while breaking in to Algiers, showing the great might of the best trained army in the world. Both sides lost one factor.



gwheelock -> RE: CleverDevils2 AAR (3/24/2008 8:53:46 PM)

OK; here are the rest of the results from the Sept 1805 turn:

France DOWs Hesse; Russia gets control.
France moves last; Russia Takes Hesse corp & attacks
Saxony (FS) corp in Dresden; killing 2 Saxon I

France makes successful seige of Cherbourg :


[image]local://upfiles/27656/AC0753C1A9AE41FF9FB446A20F5B1BA2.jpg[/image]



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