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Koniev -> HI - I'm interested in TOAWIII -Questions (1/14/2008 11:00:18 PM)

Hi everybody -

I slipped over from the WiTP forum where I'm in the process of falling off the "learning cliff".

I used to play PacWar and WIR a lot. I'm studying WiTP as a "graduate course" in the Pacific Campaign.

I would like to find a more advanced WIR, And find a western front game. From what I've read so far TOAWIII seems to work for both. My questions are:

A] What is the learning curve like? If anybody has played WiTP, I'd like to see a comparison to that.

B] If I buy the download/physical setup, how many patches, upgrades etc. am I going to need and how difficult is the install for the game and the mods?

C] Rate the Ai as a learning tool and as an opponent.

D] How accurate historically is TOAWIII?

I realize that many of these questions are matters of opinion, but that's OK. I find that wargamers are inherantly honest and forthright.

Thanks all - please keep in mind my original wants and feel free to suggest another game if you think it fits better.




SMK-at-work -> RE: HI - I'm interested in TOAWIII -Questions (1/15/2008 12:52:04 AM)

IMO:
A/ the learning curve is pretty steep - it's a complicated game with a lot to learn.  But once you have learned it's difficult to forget :)
B/ One.  The patches are cumulative so you only ever need to apply the latest one.
C/ AI is pretty good as far as AI's go.  Much depends upon the scenario designer tho, and how well he's given teh AI it's objectives, etc.
D/ Pretty good, but again it mainly depends on the scenario designer.  I haven't found a bad one yet.....but then I've only played a small proportion of those available.



Dr. Foo -> RE: HI - I'm interested in TOAWIII -Questions (1/15/2008 1:24:32 AM)

[A] This game is far easier than WITP. WITP imo, is for the ultra micro manager who wants to be everyone along the chain of command from the lowly supply clerk all the way up to the President, Emperor, Prime Minster, or Exulted Leader.
 
TOAW handles a lot of the book keeping for you allowing you to concentrate on winning the battle. WITP is a huge game with a very large scope, TOAW is not as large.
 
[B] patches answered above.
 
[C] The AI is good to learn on but once you learn the game it can be beaten more often than not, nothing compares to PBEM.
 
[D] Depends on the designer some take great care in ensuring accuracy, others not so much, and then there are the hypothetical scenario which can be far-reaching.  



golden delicious -> RE: HI - I'm interested in TOAWIII -Questions (1/15/2008 11:51:07 AM)

I realise these have been answered before but I'll add a little.

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ORIGINAL: Koniev

A] What is the learning curve like?


You can just sit down and start playing (which I found wasn't the case with WitP). Also, being good at wargames is probably a big help. However there are quite a few mechanisms which you will have to get used to.

quote:

C] Rate the Ai as a learning tool and as an opponent.


Tactically good, strategically poor.

quote:

D] How accurate historically is TOAWIII?


Depends on the scenario. Put it this way: if you work at it, you can accurately simulate a wide range of conflicts and campaigns. Most scenarios, however, haven't seen that much attention.

Before Rhinobones chimes in, I'll point out that TOAW can also be used for intellectually interesting fictional scenarios, which are good for competition play with no historical context.



Raver508 -> RE: HI - I'm interested in TOAWIII -Questions (1/15/2008 12:04:53 PM)

I must say I found the TOAW learning curve much harder that WITP, but that may just be me.  There are certainly things I'm still learning in TOAW though, and that's not the case with WITP, so TOAW certainly has superior replayability in my opinion.



Koniev -> RE: HI - I'm interested in TOAWIII -Questions (1/15/2008 12:52:49 PM)

Well. Thanks gentlemen. I don't think I'll get TOAW right away, I'm still deciding if I like WITP. There's a lot of scut work in WITP. Sounds like TOAW is better in that respect but with a fair learing curve of it's own.

Words to ponder.

Thanks again.



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