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okami -> rd Aircraft in RHS (3/3/2008 4:20:56 AM)
As the Japanese you start the game with a number of rd aircraft in your airplane pool. Are you allowed to use them or are they just there to give a jump start once they are produced?

el cid again -> RE: rd Aircraft in RHS (3/3/2008 2:45:48 PM)
They are there because - they are there. Simply put. Further - some actually were used in combat. At least one squadron used the Ki-44 before it was in production - a bit strange - and successfully so. The exact number of planes for that unit are in the pool - and it will equip with them when the unit becomes available. There are two other important cases - the Ki-45 - which had extensive problems preventing production - and the Ki-49. Niether was ever entirely liked or successful - but both certainly were produced and used in some numbers. Wether or not the early airframes would be useful is debatable - but since you won't be able to replace them until production begins - use em if you want. EOS family scenario has three small units fitted with 9 in the main element and 3 in a recon flight - for Ki-49. I am not a big fan of two engine fighters - and don't see Ki 45 as a war winner. But there are something like 14 machines available when the war begins.

Mistmatz -> RE: rd Aircraft in RHS (3/3/2008 4:40:00 PM)
el cid, is this also true for the allied planes in the pool but not yet in production? B-24 or C-87/LB-30 come to mind, both have some stock in Dec/41 but production begins in mid/late 42. Okami, maybe we should agree on either using or not using them for both sides? I'm good either way.

okami -> RE: rd Aircraft in RHS (3/4/2008 1:48:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mistmatz el cid, is this also true for the allied planes in the pool but not yet in production? B-24 or C-87/LB-30 come to mind, both have some stock in Dec/41 but production begins in mid/late 42. Okami, maybe we should agree on either using or not using them for both sides? I'm good either way. I would have to say that Sid believes they can be used, whether they are Japanese or Allied would not change that assertion. So let us use them if we wish.

el cid again -> RE: rd Aircraft in RHS (3/4/2008 6:29:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mistmatz el cid, is this also true for the allied planes in the pool but not yet in production? B-24 or C-87/LB-30 come to mind, both have some stock in Dec/41 but production begins in mid/late 42. Okami, maybe we should agree on either using or not using them for both sides? I'm good either way. C-87 is also LB-30 - both variants of B-24 as transport. The LB-30s were actually ex French bombers - and they really were used - mainly as transports - long before the C-87 was made. In the game you get them - and SHOULD use them - but they will not replace until a line comes up - at Long Beach I think. The first model of B-24 is similar. There are some bombers in existence - so you get them. I don't see it as a problem if they get used - and I use them. They cannot be used long unless used wisely (e.g. for recon or transport or some such - where long range matters). They will not work for attrition warfare. But that is the real deal - and one unit was sent to Alaska - where it did little but watch the vast distances in the area - so this is also historica.

el cid again -> RE: rd Aircraft in RHS (3/4/2008 6:31:20 AM)
As a game modder - if I give it to you - I think it can be used. But some things should be restricted: PAN AM civil transports, Empire Flying boats of BOAC - these are not for offensive para drops for example. Early in the war these provide critical transport services - and even patrol for the flying boats - when nothing else is available. They are in because the matter - but not to masquarade as milittary planes. And their gorund support is static - and won't move from where it is.

okami -> RE: rd Aircraft in RHS (3/4/2008 1:28:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: el cid again As a game modder - if I give it to you - I think it can be used. But some things should be restricted: PAN AM civil transports, Empire Flying boats of BOAC - these are not for offensive para drops for example. Early in the war these provide critical transport services - and even patrol for the flying boats - when nothing else is available. They are in because the matter - but not to masquarade as milittary planes. And their gorund support is static - and won't move from where it is. A clarification on this Sid... are you saying that these two units should not be transfered from their start positions? What about upgrades to full military statis aircraft?

el cid again -> RE: rd Aircraft in RHS (3/6/2008 3:25:11 PM)
First - there are more than two units. There is one unit of Pan Am DC-3s at Asanol India. There are two units of Empire Flying Boats - a BOAC unit at Bombay and a QANTAS (however it is spelled) unit - at Melbourne I think. There also are PAN AM manned Boeing 314 Clipper units - one USAAF and one USN - which I think do not start but arrive soon after the war begins. ALL these are civil air units under military contract. Japan has a similar number of units - DNKKK is All Japan Air Lines - and MNKKK is a simlar outfit in Manchukuo. These are divided by plane type - and operate from hubs. I do NOT restrict WHERE the planes can go. I do not think the word would be spread far enough to make that happen. But I DO restrict where the ground support can be - by folding it into static units. These contractors WILL refuel and service ANY plane that lands where they are - just as they did IRL - but they will not move to some combat area. ONLY the ground support is static. But good play would not use the transports themselves for offensive para ops - they are to move supplies or units around - not to go where they expect to be lost. Since the planes are so valuable I think this will work - players will want to keep them safe - and if they mess areound - they will lose them - a self inflicting penalty. In principle the aircraft can be upgraded - you probably won't want to do that - but in some scenarios you might want to go from Clippers to the Martin Mars (you get a fair number in EOS family). This would be OK - but they remain civil air units - and while I don't think any reasonable player would use a Mars for paras anyway - civil units would not do that. Upgrading is not restricted UNLESS YOU think it is not something that would be done - but it does not convert the units to military ones. It would be a bit awkward to have a PAN AM USN Clipper unit flying something else - but if you like it - fine by me. The name tells you "this is a civll unit". FYI the contractors were under military command - but remained civilians as such. This was widely adapted for services to ferry aircraft later in the war and women flew in numbers.

mikemike -> RE: rd Aircraft in RHS (3/6/2008 8:55:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: el cid again . . . and a QUANTAS (however it is spelled) unit - at Melbourne I think. Just can't resist: QANTAS = Q.ueensland A.nd N.orthern T.erritories A.ir S.ervice

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