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dulsin1 -> Supply costs (3/3/2008 8:43:23 PM)

Is there an easy way to find out what my supply costs are and find out what corps are costing the most?

I got burned a few times with 20+ supply costs and need a way track down the corps that is eating my treasury.




Ted1066 -> RE: Supply costs (3/3/2008 10:50:58 PM)

There are two buttons in the lower left - 'forage all' and 'forage corps'. Once you have completed all your movement that you want to do, hitting the 'forage all' button will forage all the corps in your army that are guaranteed not to lose factors from foraging (i.e. they have a forage value of 6 or more). The other result from hitting the 'forage all' is that you will be presented with a dollar value of your depot supply costs. To lower this cost, you can use the 'forage corps' button to forage your other units that have a forage value of 5 or less. The inherent risk here is that you run the risk of losing factors if you get a bad forage roll.

Cheers,

Ted




Jimmer -> RE: Supply costs (3/3/2008 11:41:05 PM)

Yes, several, in fact.

The first thing to know about is "auto-forage". It's the button in the lower-left corner of the screen during the land phase. Don't use it right away, though: You need to FULLY know about it, first.

What it does is finds all corps which, using their remaining land movement points, would automatically succeed at foraging, with no losses. Bring up a test game, and you can see this in action. The other thing it does is put an entry in the message box (above the log, left side) that says how much your current supply costs will be, after it finishes foraging everything it can.

However, it's important to read those words carefully, because there are some "gotchas" lurking. The biggest one is that it ALWAYS forages any corps that can do so automatically, and is not currently besieging a city. So, if you move a pile to a city and set them on besiege, they won't forage.

BUT, if you move that same stack into an area that has both enemy corps and a city garrison, then, because you are not THEN besieging, your corps "count". This is most important for France, but it can affect anybody. I'll use France as an example, though:

Let's say Nappy is sitting one space from Vienna (a 5 forage value area), and Charles is sitting on Vienna with his army. In addition, Vienna has 20 factors in the city as garrison. Both parties have 6 corps. Nappy moves to Vienna and attacks. If at this point Nappy's controller clicks the "auto-forage" button, every French corps will auto-forage, because they all have three movement left, and it's a 5 zone. 5+3-2 (for extra corps) is 6, so none of the French corps will lose any boys.

However, because they foraged, they can't besiege the city, assuming they win the field combat.

Now, change the example, and have all but one French corps come from distance 4, and the last corps come from distance 1. All of the corps coming from 4 away will not forage, and so could besiege. However, the last corps, if auto-forage is used, will forage itself. Thus, the whole army is prevented from besieging the city, because one corps can't.

How do you get around this? Well, you have to manually forage the corps, BEFORE you hit the auto-forage button. When you manually forage, you want to tell the dialog box that, no, you do NOT want to use remaining movement. Then, when you get around to auto-foraging, those corps will already have foraged.

So, the moral is: Don't auto-forage until you would otherwise be ready to hit the "end phase" button. Once you auto-forage, go back to your corps that will utilize "normal supply", and make sure that's what you want.

How do you find them? Click the button sixth from the left at the top-left bar of buttons. It shows you all your corps counters, and (among other things) their current supply status. The ones that say "Normal Supply" will have to be paid for, so you should go through each one mentally and make sure that is correct. If not, click the zoom button and go do something else with the corps.




Grognot -> RE: Supply costs (3/4/2008 12:06:41 AM)

Note that depot supply cost is based -only- on

(a) distance from corps to nearest usable depot, and
(b) whether it's winter.

Corps capacity doesn't matter; nor does the number of factors actually in the corps.  It should normally be pretty clear which corps are going to cost you more, since those are the ones furthest from the depots.

A corps that is two regions away from the nearest useful depot (one intervening region, not occupied by enemy corps) costs you $2 outside of winter, and $4 in winter.  Get a step closer and the costs are halved.  Sit on the depot, and they're halved again.




Kwik E Mart -> RE: Supply costs (3/4/2008 1:05:28 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jimmer

Yes, several, in fact.

The first thing to know about is "auto-forage". It's the button in the lower-left corner of the screen during the land phase. Don't use it right away, though: You need to FULLY know about it, first.

Let's say Nappy is sitting one space from Vienna (a 5 forage value area), and Charles is sitting on Vienna with his army. In addition, Vienna has 20 factors in the city as garrison. Both parties have 6 corps. Nappy moves to Vienna and attacks. If at this point Nappy's controller clicks the "auto-forage" button, every French corps will auto-forage, because they all have three movement left, and it's a 5 zone. 5+3-2 (for extra corps) is 6, so none of the French corps will lose any boys.

However, because they foraged, they can't besiege the city, assuming they win the field combat.

Now, change the example, and have all but one French corps come from distance 4, and the last corps come from distance 1. All of the corps coming from 4 away will not forage, and so could besiege. However, the last corps, if auto-forage is used, will forage itself. Thus, the whole army is prevented from besieging the city, because one corps can't.




Hmmm...I was under the impression that corps using movement to forage could still beseige....they just can't "assault"




BruceSinger -> RE: Supply costs (3/4/2008 3:10:44 AM)

If you click on each corp and wait a bit, it will show the supply cost in status message bar.

Additionally, if you right click on your home country or in a conquered minor, it will calculate the current supply cost.

A very nice enhancement would be a supply cost column on the View Units report.  Another very nice attachment would to make depots display on the unit report so you can see their location.  Sometimes it is very hard to find them, especially if another country moves on top of them. 





Jimmer -> RE: Supply costs (3/4/2008 7:40:29 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kwik E Mart

Hmmm...I was under the impression that corps using movement to forage could still beseige....they just can't "assault"


I think the game uses the term "assault" somewhere (as in "assaulting the city"). However, what is meant is besieging the city (which is technically an assault, but not in game terms).




dulsin1 -> RE: Supply costs (3/4/2008 5:16:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BruceSinger

If you click on each corp and wait a bit, it will show the supply cost in status message bar.

Additionally, if you right click on your home country or in a conquered minor, it will calculate the current supply cost.

A very nice enhancement would be a supply cost column on the View Units report.  Another very nice attachment would to make depots display on the unit report so you can see their location.  Sometimes it is very hard to find them, especially if another country moves on top of them. 




I think this is a must have. If we could look at our corps column and see who was going to cost what it would make management more atainable.




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