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RGIJN -> recon continues (3/7/2009 11:32:12 AM)

Oct 20th 1943

The enemy continues to reconnoiter ruthless, regarding his troops. Another echelon was spared to have some party at Buka...




AFTER ACTION REPORT

Weather: Rain

Ground combat at Buka

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 7 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 1771 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 3)



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RGIJN -> RE: recon continues (3/9/2009 6:25:26 PM)

aerial recon is now allocated to more than a dozen of my bases (Rabaul, Hoskins, Gasmata, Madang, Saidor, Wewak, Shortlands, Vila, Munda, Russells, Rennell, Tulagi, Lunga and Irau), carried out with planes of any kind.
Still busy enemy shipping in the NW Coral Sea and around PNG, but suspicious silence in the Hebrides area... [&:]
Naval warfare is calm, aside from barge hunting and some submarines disturbing my operations.




fuelli -> RE: recon continues (3/10/2009 12:49:33 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: RGIJN

aerial recon is now allocated to more than a dozen of my bases (Rabaul, Hoskins, Gasmata, Madang, Saidor, Wewak, Shortlands, Vila, Munda, Russells, Rennell, Tulagi, Lunga and Irau), carried out with planes of any kind.



So many targets but only few time left....[:(]




RGIJN -> RE: recon continues (3/11/2009 3:58:55 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: fuelli


quote:

ORIGINAL: RGIJN

aerial recon is now allocated to more than a dozen of my bases (Rabaul, Hoskins, Gasmata, Madang, Saidor, Wewak, Shortlands, Vila, Munda, Russells, Rennell, Tulagi, Lunga and Irau), carried out with planes of any kind.



So many targets but only few time left....[:(]




Oh, I forgot Nevea (which you reconnoitered) and Truk and Kavieng (which you did not...) [;)]
But I´m gonna help you with some nice pictures...





RGIJN -> Kavieng - free intel part. 1 (3/11/2009 4:09:19 PM)

See here for some very valuable informations about my base at the Northern tip of New Ireland [:D] [:)]

[image]local://upfiles/23002/E3D011A74CD3435A9AED1DD7CF2A5EBA.jpg[/image]




RGIJN -> Truk - free intel part. 2 (3/11/2009 4:19:41 PM)

only a small piece of my very own "Pearl Harbour" main staging base... [:D]



[image]local://upfiles/23002/F0FBC07CB7CF419ABB4E94CB6CFD6AF4.jpg[/image]




RGIJN -> Truk - free intel part. 3 (3/11/2009 4:41:39 PM)

BTW, this is the entrance to my bedroom at my Truk HQ... [;)] The roof is made of very thick reinforced concrete (same concept as the german Uboat bunkers in France...) to prevent disturbing my much needed sleep [>:]

[image]local://upfiles/23002/C5ACFA6719D24823BEA0EB6C51BC10E6.jpg[/image]




AbeSimpson -> RE: Truk - free intel part. 3 (3/12/2009 8:51:15 AM)

Hmmm, white blankets in front of your HQs bedroom........... smells like surrender [:D]




fuelli -> RE: Truk - free intel part. 3 (3/12/2009 9:07:11 AM)

The picture from Truk looks like someone was faster than me....[X(]




fuelli -> RE: Truk - free intel part. 3 (3/12/2009 9:15:56 AM)

The last two days brought a little bit action into the dull reconnaissance duty. A barge TF was trashed at rennel and for the first time an escorted strike hit a transport TF at Rabaul. 50 P47D met about 110 AC on CAP. Result was impressive: Downed about 60 enemy fighters for the loss of three. One AP reported sunk two other and a TK heavily damaged. A PG is supposed to be vaporised. Unfortunately the participation of my bombers was lacking as often. Only 20% took of....[8|]Before you start making assumptions: Enough baseforce, enough support (Air HQ present) enough supplies all crews rested and motivated.




borner -> RE: Truk - free intel part. 3 (3/12/2009 1:59:36 PM)

outnumbered 2-1, and inflict 20-1 losses. Congradulations! But yet another example of something I hope Matrix looks at.




fuelli -> RE: Truk - free intel part. 3 (3/12/2009 3:05:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: borner

outnumbered 2-1, and inflict 20-1 losses. Congradulations! But yet another example of something I hope Matrix looks at.


Taking a look at the details I do not see very much of a problem here. First of all about 40 Tonys left the fighting after the first was shoot down. That happened quiet early in the fight. After that it was 70 to 50. I assume that the Japanese pilots were more or less medium or low experienced (RGIJN please correct me if I´m wrong) while my pilot were already cracks. These units come in with 70+.
Now taking into account that one side has better weapons + better armour then it is not surprising that the one side will score only very few mortal hits while the other side will score a lot. Its just like 50 Tiger tanks take on 70 lets say Pzkw IVD. I´m sure the outcome would be disastrous for the latter. (I took two German types by purpose to prevent any "my countries tanks are better then yours" discussions[;)])
20 to 1 seems high maybe it is too high for an average incident. But who knows if this was an average incident. There was an incident in Germany where P47 and P50 shoot down ME109 and FW190 while being slightly outnumbered and lost only two planes while the Germans were completely destroyed (don´t know the exact numbers). Surely you will find lots of these things happening during WW2 in different theaters.
I´m sure and agree that plane characteristics can always be a subject to slight changes. But still I do not see a real problem here.




xj900uk -> RE: Truk - free intel part. 3 (3/12/2009 4:22:57 PM)

There was a very famous case on October 22nd 1944 when David McCampbell, the Essex airgroup commander, and his wingman who I think was called McCluskey attacked a force of about 60 Japanese planes. McCampbell shot down 9 of them in the one action (a record) and his wingman McCluskey got six others.  THis was no fluke, as McCampbell also got seven Japanese planes during the Marianas Turkey shoot back in June '44.
The only other person to come close was Hans Joachim Marseille (aka 'The Star of Africa'), who, in June 1942 attacked a formation of 16 South African P40's over the Sahara desert and shot down six in as many minutes, including at least 3 aces.  What marks this possibly above McCampbell and McCluskey as given above, is that he was fighting an elite SA unit rather than turkeys, and also he managed to bring down six fighter planes whilst expending no more than 150 rounds total in the entire combat (he was flying an Me109F at the time, a great plane but hampered by lack of punch which consisted of one slow-firing hub-mounted 20mm cannon & two light mg's in the cowling above)




RGIJN -> RE: Truk - free intel part. 3 (3/13/2009 8:59:11 AM)

the usual barge huntung



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RGIJN -> RE: Truk - free intel part. 3 (3/13/2009 9:01:14 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AbeSimpson

Hmmm, white blankets in front of your HQs bedroom........... smells like surrender [:D]


no. it just "smells" like cleaning day in anticipation of an Imperial visit [;)]




RGIJN -> RE: Truk - free intel part. 3 (3/13/2009 9:02:51 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: fuelli

The picture from Truk looks like someone was faster than me....[X(]


The secret is ... CAMOUFLAGE !

[:D]




fuelli -> RE: Truk - free intel part. 3 (3/13/2009 9:12:26 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: RGIJN


quote:

ORIGINAL: fuelli

The picture from Truk looks like someone was faster than me....[X(]


The secret is ... CAMOUFLAGE !

[:D]


If you do that kind of "camouflage" to all of your bases then my job is done here[;)]




RGIJN -> RE: Truk - free intel part. 3 (3/13/2009 9:16:48 AM)

[:)]




RGIJN -> Ki61 Hien / Tony (3/13/2009 8:18:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: fuelli


about 40 Tonys left the fighting after the first was shoot down. That happened quiet early in the fight.



Somehow these Kawasaki Ki-61 Hien / Tony are rather impotent in UV anyway, though they were actually quite good fighters IRL. At least for IJA standards and compared with other "balsa" lightwight, no-punch and inflaming-soon types as the Ki-43 Hayabusa. I wonder if this particular A/C is modelled (slightly) too weak in the game?
Of course I am aware I´ll have to live with it as it is... [:(] (unless there is another patch looming...[;)])



[image]local://upfiles/23002/A089F8160F8D43AFBE9B5E25F26FAA47.jpg[/image]




xj900uk -> RE: Ki61 Hien / Tony (3/16/2009 2:33:41 PM)

The Ki61 Hien/Tony was actually a rough copy of the Me109, in fact when it first appeared US observers were convinced the JAAF was actually using Messerschmitts!  Actually the airframe is pretty much Japanese design, but the engine was a direct licenced copy of the inverted fuel-injection Daimler so used by the Me's,  I do also believe this was the only water-cooled in-line fighter to go into large-scale service with the JAAF during WWII, but I could be wrong.
The Ki61 Hien is also an example of why the Japanese were doomed to loose the production war with the US.  They had a fairly good engine there with a proven track-record,  but they could never reproduce it properly in their factories with a result that the Tony always had loads of problems with it's 'unreliable' in-line engine and was never popular with either pilots or ground-crews, who hated the idea of a streamlined water-cooled engine.  Also the planes tended to be delivered in a poor, unfinished or unreliable state from the factories so most went straight to the dump to await 'spare parts' which arrived at a trickle.  It also goes to show that the Japanese had a very crude grasp of stockpiling spares and supplies, as once a plane was deemed 'unservicable' the Japanese always grounded it until the spares arrived from the Homeland, which could be months.  nobody ever came up wtiht he idea of taking an inventory of what might be needed in advance and mass-advance order, or even keep a list of which planes were unreliable and waiting for which spares, and swap items around between planes (if necessary, canniabalise) to keep as many in the air as was possible.
For the record, I think the last production models (aka Swallows I think) were finished off with radial engines after the factory producing the in-line engines on mainland Japanes was bombed flat by B29's, & finally somebody had the good sense to marry up engineless airframes with a stockpile of old radial engines that were lying around somewhere in order to get somethign in the air

For the record, the Hien/Tony was an unpopular mount that never quite deserved its bad publicity or aura constantly sorrounding it. With the in-line engine it was quite fast, and unlike many other Jap fighters of the period actually had some armour plate, bullet-proof glass & self-sealing tanks from the word go. Also its in-line fuel-injection engine (when working) gave it a distinct edge above 25,000 feet particularly when up against US planes that still used the old-fashioned but more reliable float-carburettors.
Armament was quite good - early models had 4 x 12.7mm MG's (rough equivalent of the US 50's), later ones were able to take wing-mounted cannons.




Puhis -> RE: Truk - free intel part. 3 (3/16/2009 4:17:42 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: fuelli


quote:

ORIGINAL: borner

outnumbered 2-1, and inflict 20-1 losses. Congradulations! But yet another example of something I hope Matrix looks at.


Taking a look at the details I do not see very much of a problem here. First of all about 40 Tonys left the fighting after the first was shoot down...



I think that is the problem. 1 plane shot down and 40 run away. Come on... [&:]




Ike99 -> RE: Ki61 Hien / Tony (3/17/2009 4:49:36 AM)

quote:

xj900uk-The Ki61 Hien/Tony was actually a rough copy of the Me109, in fact when it first appeared US observers were convinced the JAAF was actually using Messerschmitts! Actually the airframe is pretty much Japanese design, but the engine was a direct licenced copy of the inverted fuel-injection Daimler so used by the Me's, I do also believe this was the only water-cooled in-line fighter to go into large-scale service with the JAAF during WWII, but I could be wrong.


At first they thought it was either Messerschmitts or something Italian. They did decide it was something Italian though, reason why codenamed ¨Tony¨

The frame was designed by Japanese specific to carry the licenced German engine Daimler Benz DB601Aa.

The plane had strong armor protection, good firepower and proved to be a superb fighter. A mixture of BF109E7 and A6M Zero. The equal of any Allied fighter until 1944´

quote:

RGIJN-Tony are rather impotent in UV anyway, though they were actually quite good fighters IRL. At least for IJA standards and compared with other "balsa" lightwight, no-punch and inflaming-soon types as the Ki-43 Hayabusa. I wonder if this particular A/C is modelled (slightly) too weak in the game?


Definate, too weak in UV.




xj900uk -> RE: Ki61 Hien / Tony (3/17/2009 10:46:10 AM)

True,  the Ki61 Hien/Tony should have been a superb fighter; decent armament,  good performance (particularly at high altitude), good dogfight manouevrability (although not quite as good as either the Oscar or the Zero) and a smidgen of armour protection which most other Jap fighters lacked, but it never was, neither did it see the widespread service throughout the Pacific that it deserved.  The reasons for its failure to make a great impact are given above - unreliable engine and shoddy airframe (both these are due to manufacturing faults rather than any intrinsic flaw in the design, which was fundamentally quite sound),  lack of replacement spares at forward airfields, and above all deep unpopularity with both pilots and the groundcrews.  Given a choice,  both would work with either the Oscar or the Zero,  despite both designs intrinsic weaknesses and approaching obsolesence 




fuelli -> RE: Truk - free intel part. 3 (3/17/2009 2:20:21 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Puhis


quote:

ORIGINAL: fuelli


quote:

ORIGINAL: borner

outnumbered 2-1, and inflict 20-1 losses. Congradulations! But yet another example of something I hope Matrix looks at.


Taking a look at the details I do not see very much of a problem here. First of all about 40 Tonys left the fighting after the first was shoot down...



I think that is the problem. 1 plane shot down and 40 run away. Come on... [&:]



After reading the interesting excerpts about the Tony from xj900uk I may have an idea what happened there. After the first one was shoot down the other ones realised that someone has used their weapons as spare parts for the participating zeros and Oscars and decided that without weapons its useless to fight one and therfore left the area[:'(]




Puhis -> RE: Truk - free intel part. 3 (3/17/2009 3:39:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: fuelli


After reading the interesting excerpts about the Tony from xj900uk I may have an idea what happened there. After the first one was shoot down the other ones realised that someone has used their weapons as spare parts for the participating zeros and Oscars and decided that without weapons its useless to fight one and therfore left the area[:'(]


Maybe... [X(] Although I think that when one plane is shot down, most of the rest don't even notice it...

IJA pilots: [sm=scared0018.gif]




xj900uk -> RE: Truk - free intel part. 3 (3/17/2009 4:39:55 PM)

There's a very interesting anecdotal story about one of the few Japanese aces to survive the war - have to look him up as I can't remember his name at the moment!  [:(].  He came from a very poor rural background and was undoubtably a fairly shoddy pilot, but towards the end of the war the Japanese were tryign desperately to get anything airborne that could fly in an effort to stop the Amercians & he got a uniform, a smidgen of training,  was shoved into a cockpit and told to go and die for the Emperor.  However,  in less than a year from 1944-45 flying Home Defence (not sure what planes) he managed to rack up at least 30 victories.  Nobody knows his true score, not even him, because he never learned to count beyond 30.
What makes him most interesting is that he never once lost a sense of his own over-importance and bearing,  as he would often go charging into battle with no guns or ammo and search out a 'worthy' opponent and try to ram them.  His ghost-written memoirs make fascinating reading, and have the ring of truth about them as on several occassions he complains bitterly that the US planes would either run away or else try to shoot him down from long range - neither of which was very sporting.  On another occassion he happened to come across a US reconissance plane and his guns jammed - he repeatedly tried to ram it until the US pilot, clearly terrified at the madman that was trying to occupy his airspace, simply baled out.

I must look up the chaps name as his autobiography makes fascinating reading and also for a time he served with Sabaru Sakai right at the end of the war




fuelli -> RE: Truk - free intel part. 3 (3/17/2009 5:09:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Puhis

quote:

ORIGINAL: fuelli


After reading the interesting excerpts about the Tony from xj900uk I may have an idea what happened there. After the first one was shoot down the other ones realised that someone has used their weapons as spare parts for the participating zeros and Oscars and decided that without weapons its useless to fight one and therfore left the area[:'(]


Maybe... [X(] Although I think that when one plane is shot down, most of the rest don't even notice it...

IJA pilots: [sm=scared0018.gif]



If its the squadron leader they may notice....




xj900uk -> RE: Truk - free intel part. 3 (3/19/2009 9:07:29 AM)

Just looked the IJN ace up that I referred to above - his name was Akamatsu & he survived the war with at least 50 victories (nobody knows his true figure as he couldn't count & many could not be verified as he was all too often the only survivor from his flight to get back to base alive).  In 1944-45 whilst flying Home Defence he piloted a Raiden/Jack/Thunderbolt, a heavy fighter armed with 4 x 20mm cannon designed to climb quickly & get amongst the ranks of the B29's, yet lacking in manouverability & dog-fighting skills.  however it is wildly accepted that Akamatsu would always seek out the bomber escort, usually Mustangs or more rarely Hellcats if the USN was involved, & mix it with the more manoueverable fighters.  As Sakai himself writes, no matter how many bullet holes his mount sustained,  Ajamatsu would always come back, usually the only defence pilot to do so,  with a big grin & at least one finger stuck up in the air to signify a victory, nearly always over a P51 or F6F.




03_walk_alot -> RE: Truk - free intel part. 3 (3/19/2009 10:39:34 PM)

On the Me-109 thing.
Ever read "The big E" I have had this book since high school 30+ years ago.
Carried in my pack around the world while in the Corp's. Early in book maybe coral sea battle
a pilot says he shot down me-109. I know its anecdotal but I have always wondered why the admiral who wrote the book
would put this in??

sneaky as 03walksalot




xj900uk -> RE: Truk - free intel part. 3 (3/20/2009 11:47:02 AM)

Couldn't be the Tony/Ki-61 as it wasn't yet deployed.  Doubt it was even the Judy (an inline engined divebomber) as that too didn't appear (as a spotter plane in limited numbers) until Santa Cruz in the fall of '42, so that wasn't at the Coral Sea.  I suppose it is possible that during '42 in the South Pacific a US pilot shot down one of the advanced types,  not sure when the Tony/Ki-61 first appeared,  can you remember the date the pilot claimed the kill?




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