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warspite1 -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (5/2/2010 12:25:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Okay next one - as a better way to test the usefulness (or otherwise) of the clues I will provide these at various intervals and see which clue is the one that gives it away:

Which ship am I?

I appear as a counter in World In Flames
I saw service in both the First and Second World Wars

More to follow.....


I would think that there would be dozens of these ships/counters. Didn't a lot of the minor countries have ships from WW I?

Warspite1

Yes, loads of British, Japanese, French, Italian and US plus smaller nations who bought cast offs (not too many German though [:D]).

The more clues made available, the easier it gets obviously, but I want to know at what point i.e. what level of detail will make the question too easy. I do not expect anyone to get it from the first three clues, unless it was a lucky guess.




warspite1 -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (5/2/2010 6:27:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Okay next one - as a better way to test the usefulness (or otherwise) of the clues I will provide these at various intervals and see which clue is the one that gives it away:

Which ship am I?

I appear as a counter in World In Flames
I saw service in both the First and Second World Wars

More to follow.....

Warspite1

I failed to survive the second conflict but was not lost to enemy action

More to follow (unless someone gets it)

Warspite1

Okay, next clue and a recap of the previous three:

I appear as a counter in World In Flames
I saw service in both the First and Second World Wars
I failed to survive the second conflict but was not lost to enemy action
My loss was caused by a tragic accident not far from my home shores







patchogue -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (5/2/2010 10:20:48 AM)

Campbeltown was lost due to our own action - it was deliberately rammed into the dock!
I was guessing at a trick question!




warspite1 -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (5/2/2010 11:05:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: patchogue

Campbeltown was lost due to our own action - it was deliberately rammed into the dock!
I was guessing at a trick question!

Warspite1

Okay - but I think that would have been a very shabby trick on my part [:(]




warspite1 -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (5/2/2010 3:46:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Okay next one - as a better way to test the usefulness (or otherwise) of the clues I will provide these at various intervals and see which clue is the one that gives it away:

Which ship am I?

I appear as a counter in World In Flames
I saw service in both the First and Second World Wars

More to follow.....

Warspite1

I failed to survive the second conflict but was not lost to enemy action

More to follow (unless someone gets it)

Warspite1

Okay, next clue and a recap of the previous three:

I appear as a counter in World In Flames
I saw service in both the First and Second World Wars
I failed to survive the second conflict but was not lost to enemy action
My loss was caused by a tragic accident not far from my home shores


Warspite1

Not sure where to pitch this next clue exactly but I'll go for:

My name suggests I was likely to have been part of the Royal Netherlands Navy..but I was not




Orm -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (5/2/2010 7:45:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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Warspite1

Okay, next clue and a recap of the previous three:

I appear as a counter in World In Flames
I saw service in both the First and Second World Wars
I failed to survive the second conflict but was not lost to enemy action
My loss was caused by a tragic accident not far from my home shores


Warspite1

Not sure where to pitch this next clue exactly but I'll go for:

My name suggests I was likely to have been part of the Royal Netherlands Navy..but I was not


[&:][&:][&:]

I have no clue yet but I do like this type of questions.

Even when I suspect the answer will make me feel as dumb as I really am. [:D][sm=00000280.gif]




Anendrue -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (5/2/2010 9:11:35 PM)

Ok  when I was a kid we would yell uncle to indicate we were giving up when wrestling.

UNCLE, Uncle, uncle....




warspite1 -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (5/2/2010 9:54:43 PM)

Okay, this should be the decider:

I appear as a counter in World In Flames
I saw service in both the First and Second World Wars
I failed to survive the second conflict but was not lost to enemy action
My loss was caused by a tragic accident not far from my home shores
My name suggests I was likely to have been part of the Royal Netherlands Navy..but I was not
Some people think I was named after a drink...but I was not




warspite1 -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (5/3/2010 7:24:47 AM)

Final clue:

I appear as a counter in World In Flames
I saw service in both the First and Second World Wars
I failed to survive the second conflict but was not lost to enemy action
My loss was caused by a tragic accident not far from my home shores
My name suggests I was likely to have been part of the Royal Netherlands Navy..but I was not
Some people think I was named after a drink...but I was not
The tragic accident saw me literally cut in half, resulting in 338 of my crew being killed,
while the ship that hit me was so big she barely noticed the incident




patchogue -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (5/3/2010 10:02:14 AM)

The drink/dutch link suggests orange...but still no idea!




Greyshaft -> HMS Curacoa (October 2, 1942) (5/3/2010 10:37:10 AM)

HMS Curacoa ( sunk October 2, 1942)

British light cruiser of 4,290 tons was engaged mainly in convoy escort duties during WWII. It was while escorting the Queen Mary that disaster struck. The Cunard White Star liner was carrying 15,000 American troops to England when the Curacoa's lookout reported what he thought was a submarine on the port bow. The Queen Mary turned sharply to starboard and the Curacoa, in pursuit of the suspected U-boat, crossed her bows with insufficient clearance causing the two ships to collide. Proceeding on a zigzag course at a speed of twenty eight and a half knots the Queen Mary knifed through the escort cruiser cutting her in two, the halves separated by about 100 yards. Fearful of U-boats in the area and aware of his responsibility to his passengers, the captain did not even slow the ship down until it entered the safer waters of the Firth of Clyde. The 'Queen' was badly damaged, her bow plates folded back at least forty feet into the ship. A total of 338 men aboard the Curacao died as a result of this tragedy (25 officers and 313 ratings) There were 26 survivors. The incident occurred some 20 miles off the coast of Donegal, Ireland.




Greyshaft -> Next quiz (5/3/2010 11:12:12 AM)

Does the winner ask the next quiz?

1. I am a high ranking officer.
2. During a high-level conference in the middle of WWII one of the people at the conference drew his gun and deliberately fired it.
3. I was hit by the bullet but survived.

NOTE: There are different version of this incident.




warspite1 -> RE: HMS Curacoa (October 2, 1942) (5/3/2010 12:44:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greyshaft

HMS Curacoa ( sunk October 2, 1942)

British light cruiser of 4,290 tons was engaged mainly in convoy escort duties during WWII. It was while escorting the Queen Mary that disaster struck. The Cunard White Star liner was carrying 15,000 American troops to England when the Curacoa's lookout reported what he thought was a submarine on the port bow. The Queen Mary turned sharply to starboard and the Curacoa, in pursuit of the suspected U-boat, crossed her bows with insufficient clearance causing the two ships to collide. Proceeding on a zigzag course at a speed of twenty eight and a half knots the Queen Mary knifed through the escort cruiser cutting her in two, the halves separated by about 100 yards. Fearful of U-boats in the area and aware of his responsibility to his passengers, the captain did not even slow the ship down until it entered the safer waters of the Firth of Clyde. The 'Queen' was badly damaged, her bow plates folded back at least forty feet into the ship. A total of 338 men aboard the Curacao died as a result of this tragedy (25 officers and 313 ratings) There were 26 survivors. The incident occurred some 20 miles off the coast of Donegal, Ireland.

Warspite 1

Well done Greyshaft!!

I appear as a counter in World In Flames
At this point I should attach the counter - but I do not know how to; Froonp help!!

I saw service in both the First and Second World Wars
Curacoa joined the fleet during the last year of the First War. She was badly damaged during the Norwegian operation in the Second.

I failed to survive the second conflict but was not lost to enemy action
She was sunk on 2nd October 1942 (see below)

My loss was caused by a tragic accident not far from my home shores
She was lost off the coast of Ireland - I have read between 20 and 40 miles

My name suggests I was likely to have been part of the Royal Netherlands Navy..but I was not
Curacoa or Curacao is an island in the Dutch West Indies or Netherlands Antilles

Some people think I was named after a drink...but I was not
It is the name of an Orange based liqueur, now mostly made in Holland

The tragic accident saw me literally cut in half, resulting in 338 of my crew being killed,
while the ship that hit me was so big she barely noticed the incident
Curacoa, which like many of her sisters, had been converted to an anti-aircraft cruiser, was sent to provide AA cover for the incoming ocean liner turned troopship RMS Queen Mary which had around 15,000 troops aboard. Queen Mary was coming to the end of her transatlantic journey and all ships in the escort were zig-zagging as standard procedure. Queen Mary was travelling at around 28 knots when she literally sliced the poor cruiser in two. As per standing orders, she did not stop but headed for the Clyde. Sadly 338 of a crew of around 414 died, many trapped within the ship when the disaster struck. A board of enquiry later pronounced blame as being 1/3 Queen Mary and 2/3rds Curacoa.




warspite1 -> RE: Next quiz (5/3/2010 12:46:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greyshaft

Does the winner ask the next quiz?

1. I am a high ranking officer.
2. During a high-level conference in the middle of WWII one of the people at the conference drew his gun and deliberately fired it.
3. I was hit by the bullet but survived.

NOTE: There are different version of this incident.

Warspite1

At this stage - not a clue. Will there be more clues if no one gets it?




monkla -> RE: Next quiz (5/3/2010 3:47:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greyshaft

Does the winner ask the next quiz?

1. I am a high ranking officer.
2. During a high-level conference in the middle of WWII one of the people at the conference drew his gun and deliberately fired it.
3. I was hit by the bullet but survived.

NOTE: There are different version of this incident.

Warspite1

At this stage - not a clue. Will there be more clues if no one gets it?




Need more clues. NEED MORE CLUES!

I'll guess a Russian.....




brian brian -> RE: Next quiz (5/3/2010 9:10:13 PM)

On the Curacao I was going to guess the Brazilian CL the "Bahia" which is also a drink but not much of a Dutch sounding name. I didn't know if it was in WWI either. My WiF counter does show that it sank in July 1945 so I thought that could have likely been an accident...




warspite1 -> RE: Next quiz (5/3/2010 10:12:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: brian brian

On the Curacao I was going to guess the Brazilian CL the "Bahia" which is also a drink but not much of a Dutch sounding name. I didn't know if it was in WWI either. My WiF counter does show that it sank in July 1945 so I thought that could have likely been an accident...

Warspite1

It was indeed an accident......

[4310 Bahia - by Robert Jenkins]
.B Engine output: 18,000 hp
.B Top Speed: 26.5 knots
.B Main armament: 10 x 4.7-inch (120mm), 6 x 3-pdr (47mm) guns
.B Displacement (standard): 3,100 tons
.B Thickest armour: No belt armour
.P As part of the Brazilian naval expansion program in the early years of the
20th Century (see Minas Gerais and Sao Paulo), the Brazilian Government ordered
two cruisers in 1907.
.P The two ships of the Bahia-class, Bahia and Rio Grande Do Sul, were designed
and built in the United Kingdom and were based on the Royal Navy`s scout cruisers
of the Adventure-class. They were each named after a Brazilian State.
.P As scout cruisers, these ships were fast and lightly armoured vessels and both
ships exceeded their designed speed in trials.
.P They saw service in the First world War, after which, in the twenties, they
had replacement machinery fitted that further improved their top speed. The ships
remained in service long enough to take an active part in World War II after the
Brazilian declaration of war on Germany in August 1942.
.P During the war the Bahia-class ships were mostly used to escort merchant
vessels in the South Atlantic. The war was almost over when, on the 4th July 1945
while operating in the South Atlantic, the Bahia suffered an internal explosion
causing her to quickly sink with the loss of 294 officers and crew.
.P Her sister survived the war and was scrapped in 1948.




paulderynck -> RE: HMS Curacoa (October 2, 1942) (5/3/2010 11:10:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

I appear as a counter in World In Flames
At this point I should attach the counter - but I do not know how to; Froonp help!!

I think all the counters have the ship name on them. That might be too much of a giveaway. OTOH I'd have a fighting chance on these questions then.




Extraneous -> RE: Next quiz (5/4/2010 12:51:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

[4310 Bahia - by Robert Jenkins]
.B Engine output: 18,000 hp
.B Top Speed: 26.5 knots
.B Main armament: 10 x 4.7-inch (120mm), 6 x 3-pdr (47mm) guns
.B Displacement (standard): 3,100 tons
.B Thickest armour: No belt armour
.P As part of the Brazilian naval expansion program in the early years of the
20th Century (see Minas Gerais and Sao Paulo), the Brazilian Government ordered
two cruisers in 1907.
.P The two ships of the Bahia-class, Bahia and Rio Grande Do Sul, were designed
and built in the United Kingdom and were based on the Royal Navy`s scout cruisers
of the Adventure-class. They were each named after a Brazilian State.
.P As scout cruisers, these ships were fast and lightly armoured vessels and both
ships exceeded their designed speed in trials.
.P They saw service in the First world War, after which, in the twenties, they
had replacement machinery fitted that further improved their top speed. The ships
remained in service long enough to take an active part in World War II after the
Brazilian declaration of war on Germany in August 1942.
.P During the war the Bahia-class ships were mostly used to escort merchant
vessels in the South Atlantic. The war was almost over when, on the 4th July 1945
while operating in the South Atlantic, the Bahia suffered an internal explosion
causing her to quickly sink with the loss of 294 officers and crew.
.P Her sister survived the war and was scrapped in 1948.


".P Her sister survived the war and was scrapped in 1948." has nothing to do with this ship discription.

It should be under "Rio Grande Do Sul" not "Bahia".

Hope you give credit to Wikipedia for your source of reference to the Brazilian cruiser Bahia.









Greyshaft -> More clues (5/4/2010 1:47:53 PM)

1. I am a high ranking officer.
2. During a high-level conference in the middle of WWII one of the people at the conference drew his gun and deliberately fired it.
3. I was hit by the bullet but survived.
4. The pistol shot was meant as a demonstration.
5. The demonstration was successful except that the bullet was not meant to hit me.
6. Those British Boffins are crazy!!!





Neilster -> RE: More clues (5/4/2010 3:23:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greyshaft

1. I am a high ranking officer.
2. During a high-level conference in the middle of WWII one of the people at the conference drew his gun and deliberately fired it.
3. I was hit by the bullet but survived.
4. The pistol shot was meant as a demonstration.
5. The demonstration was successful except that the bullet was not meant to hit me.
6. Those British Boffins are crazy!!!



Commander James Bond. The boffin was Q. [:'(]

Cheers, Neilster




warspite1 -> RE: Next quiz (5/5/2010 6:37:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Extraneous


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

[4310 Bahia - by Robert Jenkins]
.B Engine output: 18,000 hp
.B Top Speed: 26.5 knots
.B Main armament: 10 x 4.7-inch (120mm), 6 x 3-pdr (47mm) guns
.B Displacement (standard): 3,100 tons
.B Thickest armour: No belt armour
.P As part of the Brazilian naval expansion program in the early years of the
20th Century (see Minas Gerais and Sao Paulo), the Brazilian Government ordered
two cruisers in 1907.
.P The two ships of the Bahia-class, Bahia and Rio Grande Do Sul, were designed
and built in the United Kingdom and were based on the Royal Navy`s scout cruisers
of the Adventure-class. They were each named after a Brazilian State.
.P As scout cruisers, these ships were fast and lightly armoured vessels and both
ships exceeded their designed speed in trials.
.P They saw service in the First world War, after which, in the twenties, they
had replacement machinery fitted that further improved their top speed. The ships
remained in service long enough to take an active part in World War II after the
Brazilian declaration of war on Germany in August 1942.
.P During the war the Bahia-class ships were mostly used to escort merchant
vessels in the South Atlantic. The war was almost over when, on the 4th July 1945
while operating in the South Atlantic, the Bahia suffered an internal explosion
causing her to quickly sink with the loss of 294 officers and crew.
.P Her sister survived the war and was scrapped in 1948.


Hope you give credit to Wikipedia for your source of reference to the Brazilian cruiser Bahia.






Warspite1

Why do you hope that? I use a number of sources for the write-ups (depending upon how important a unit is, availability of info, what actions she took part in etc). Wikipedia is certainly not my primary source of info, for obvious reasons, and it was not my source of info for Bahia; Conways was. And yes, of course, the bibliography for the naval units will list the sources.




Extraneous -> RE: Next quiz (5/6/2010 11:28:40 AM)

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Warspite1

Why do you hope that? I use a number of sources for the write-ups (depending upon how important a unit is, availability of info, what actions she took part in etc). Wikipedia is certainly not my primary source of info, for obvious reasons, and it was not my source of info for Bahia; Conways was. And yes, of course, the bibliography for the naval units will list the sources.



If you would do a web search for: Bahia Adventure-class

You get Wikipedia who reference their source as...

Gardiner, Robert; Gray, Randal, eds (1984). Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships: 1906–1921. Annapolis: Naval Institute Press. ISBN 0870219073. OCLC 12119866




warspite1 -> RE: Next quiz (5/6/2010 7:40:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

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Warspite1

Why do you hope that? I use a number of sources for the write-ups (depending upon how important a unit is, availability of info, what actions she took part in etc). Wikipedia is certainly not my primary source of info, for obvious reasons, and it was not my source of info for Bahia; Conways was. And yes, of course, the bibliography for the naval units will list the sources.



If you would do a web search for: Bahia Adventure-class

You get Wikipedia who reference their source as...

Gardiner, Robert; Gray, Randal, eds (1984). Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships: 1906–1921. Annapolis: Naval Institute Press. ISBN 0870219073. OCLC 12119866

Warspite1

Exactly, Conways - and as I said, that's where my info came from - not Wikipedia.




Greyshaft -> RE: Next quiz (5/7/2010 5:39:58 AM)

1. I am a high ranking officer.
2. During a high-level conference in the middle of WWII one of the people at the conference drew his gun and deliberately fired it.
3. I was hit by the bullet but survived.
4. The pistol shot was meant as a demonstration.
5. The demonstration was successful except that the bullet was not meant to hit me.
6. Those British Boffins are crazy!!!
7. The pistol shot bounced off a mixture of sawdust and water (just sawdust and water - no other additives) ...
8. ... which the Boffin suggested could be used to build an aircraft carrier (I am NOT making this up!!!) ...
9. ... and the USA used his theory to build a 1,000 ton test ship during WWII.
10 Lord Mountbatten endorsed the project.




Neilster -> RE: Next quiz (5/7/2010 9:13:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greyshaft

1. I am a high ranking officer.
2. During a high-level conference in the middle of WWII one of the people at the conference drew his gun and deliberately fired it.
3. I was hit by the bullet but survived.
4. The pistol shot was meant as a demonstration.
5. The demonstration was successful except that the bullet was not meant to hit me.
6. Those British Boffins are crazy!!!
7. The pistol shot bounced off a mixture of sawdust and water (just sawdust and water - no other additives) ...
8. ... which the Boffin suggested could be used to build an aircraft carrier (I am NOT making this up!!!) ...
9. ... and the USA used his theory to build a 1,000 ton test ship during WWII.
10 Lord Mountbatten endorsed the project.


Didn't this happen twice? It refers to demonstrations of Pykrete as part of Project Habakkuk. I think Admiral King had a near miss and Brooke either got lightly wounded or the bullet didn't penetrate. From memory the incidents aren't completely clear. Pykrete was obviously dangerous stuff [;)]

Cheers, Neilster




Greyshaft -> RE: Next quiz (5/7/2010 11:58:15 AM)


From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pykrete

"Pykrete is a composite material made of approximately 14 percent sawdust or some other form of wood pulp (such as paper) and 86 percent ice by weight. Its use was proposed during World War II by Geoffrey Pyke to the British Royal Navy as a candidate material for making a huge, unsinkable aircraft carrier. Pykrete has some interesting properties, notably its relatively slow melting rate (due to low thermal conductivity), and its vastly improved strength and toughness over unmodified (crystalline) ice, actually closer to concrete.

...

Another tale is that at the Quebec Conference of 1943 Mountbatten brought a block of pykrete along to demonstrate its potential to the entourage of admirals and generals who had come along with Winston Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt. Mountbatten entered the project meeting with two blocks and placed them on the ground. One was a normal ice block and the other was pykrete. He then drew his service pistol and shot at the first block. It shattered and splintered. Next, he fired at the pykrete to give an idea of the resistance of that kind of ice to projectiles. The bullet ricocheted off the block, grazing the trouser leg of Admiral Ernest King and ending up in the wall. The Admiral may or may not have been impressed by Mountbatten's unorthodox demonstration. According to Perutz's own account,[7] however, the incident of a ricochetting bullet hitting an Admiral actually happened much earlier in London and the gun was fired by someone on the project—not Mountbatten."



I was thinking of Brooke, but there are many stories about Who shot Whom at the Quebec Conference.

Over to you Neilster for a question




Patience -> RE: Next quiz (5/16/2010 7:44:25 PM)

From Jane's Fighting Ships 1938


[image]local://upfiles/35098/37AE1AE2B4894AEF825CAB74B7923531.jpg[/image]




ItBurns -> RE: Next quiz (5/17/2010 3:09:04 PM)

You know, there's an eclectic beauty in the designs of pre WWI ships. They are so wonderfully baroque.




Patience -> RE: Next quiz (5/18/2010 6:28:41 PM)

Yes they are, I remember when i was younger i was mesmerized by the look of dreadnoughts 




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