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ORIGINAL: Japan

It was 27 Flote Planes doing Navel Search on Scout Cruiser in Each of the 3 Carrier Groups, so none of the Strike Aircrafts flew Navel Search.

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ORIGINAL: OSO

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ORIGINAL: Japan

It was 27 Flote Planes doing Navel Search on Scout Cruiser in Each of the 3 Carrier Groups, so none of the Strike Aircrafts flew Navel Search.

Strikes have a better chance of launching when the actual bomber aircraft spot a TF. It doesn't hurt to put 10-20% of the bomber squadrons on naval search.

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ORIGINAL: Japan

The 3rd Carrier Group was defending/escorting   300 AP Ships and 80 AK Ships to the Invation Areas, while Land Based Fighters provided Cover for the Battlefleets and a Replanishment Fleet.

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ORIGINAL: Japan

Group 1
CARRIER PLANES 221
(3 Carriers)
Total Ships 15

Carrier Leder 65+ Ledership (Rank Above R Admiral)(Agressive)
Avverage Fighter Skill 92 - CAP 60%
Avverage Kate Skill 90 - Navel Attack 16000 Ft
Avverage Val Skill 93 - Navel Attack 10000 Ft
CS With 24 ALF on 90% Navel Search 5000 Ft


Group 2
CARRIER BASED PLANES 198
(3 Carriers)
Total Ships 15

Carrier Leder 65+ Ledership (Rank Above R Admiral)(Agressive)
Avverage Fighter Skill 88 - CAP 50%
Avverage Kate Skill 86 - Navel Attack 17000 Ft
Avverage Val Skill 81 - Navel Attack 11000 Ft
CS With 27 ALF on 90% Navel Search 4000 Ft










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ORIGINAL: cyberwop36

Kates at 17,000 ft.? I thought TB won't carry torps. at that alt.

Is that what you meant to do? I would think you'd want to use the kates in a "co-ordinated" attack."

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ORIGINAL: Mynok

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ORIGINAL: cyberwop36

Kates at 17,000 ft.? I thought TB won't carry torps. at that alt.

Is that what you meant to do? I would think you'd want to use the kates in a "co-ordinated" attack."

Altitude has nothing to do with it. It's range.

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ORIGINAL: treespider

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Wonder if that's what Nagumo said?

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ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

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ORIGINAL: Mynok

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ORIGINAL: cyberwop36

Kates at 17,000 ft.? I thought TB won't carry torps. at that alt.

Is that what you meant to do? I would think you'd want to use the kates in a "co-ordinated" attack."

Altitude has nothing to do with it. It's range.

This is correct. I typically send in my Kates at max altitude. P-40s cant intercept them at max altitude so all you have to worry about is the AA fire on the run in. P-40s have a very low ceiling.

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

I´ve nearly never bombers on KB or Allied CV TFs on search as soon as there are enough float planes (means 30+) and never had it happen that my strikes didn´t take off. Doubt that it matters if the enemy is spotted by an Alf or a Kate. Detection level of the enemy goes up and that´s the most important thing.

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ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

I´ve nearly never bombers on KB or Allied CV TFs on search as soon as there are enough float planes (means 30+) and never had it happen that my strikes didn´t take off. Doubt that it matters if the enemy is spotted by an Alf or a Kate. Detection level of the enemy goes up and that´s the most important thing.

The problem is the most the detection level can go up is 1 per search plane that spots a given task force. And the way sightings occur, only 1 plane max per group/squadron can spot a task force. So it is imperative to get as many different groups to spot the task force as possible to get high detection levels.

So a 30 plane search group or a 2 plane search group doesn’t make a difference in how high the detection level goes up when it spots it, because only 1 plane actually gets the sighting. It only makes it easier to spot task forces if you have more planes in the search group.

The thing that increases detection levels the most is the number of squadrons launching a strike from the enemy task force. Most allied CVs only have 3 squadrons early on, so that is 3 + whatever you get from searches. To get this to go up to 10, you need at least 7 separate squadrons to locate the task force.

And even if you do manage to achieve the magical 10, there is still a small chance your planes launch but fail to find the target. So it is imperative to get your detection levels up as high as possible.

KB usually gives the allies an automatic 10 because most of the CVs operate in a single large task force. So if KB launches a strike with at least 9 squadrons involved, it’s automatically a 10 for the allies (1 for the search plane that spots the task force), that’s why it is usually Japan that has the weird looking strike results. Because of cooperation penalties, the allies usually only have single CV task forces that follow each other around.

Like I said, if this was all part of the combat reports, there wouldn’t be so much confusion about lost strikes. Right now the only way to confirm a launch is to note the fatigue levels of the pilots. And there is no way to confirm why a launched strike failed to attack, it’s purely speculative guessing right now.

Given that he only had one squadron per task force searching, and it appears the allies had 2 CVs in the task force, I bet he only had a 7 detection level on the allied fleet. Which made it much easier for his pilots to fail to locate the target, especially given the bad weather in the area. I can’t find it in the rues, but my guess is weather adversely effects the final detection level as well.

That’s why I pray AE makes detailed strike explanations part of the reports text.

Jim

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ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger
Why didnt the Kates fly? Dont know. Ask the squadron commanders. Low aggression maybe? Low experience? Hard to say with the data posted thus far.

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ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

A cloud over a TF or a base doesnt mean that nothing is moving in or out. Means you have overcast or worse cloud cover. Stikes by very experienced groups can still occur.

Why didnt the Kates fly? Dont know. Ask the squadron commanders. Low aggression maybe? Low experience? Hard to say with the data posted thus far.

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"Offensive Missions can be aborted after all preparations have been made, but prior to take-off , due to bad weather over the air unit’s base or over the intended target. Hexes affected by bad weather blocks any air units from launching an airstrike from the hex, and it blocks any target in the hex from being attacked.

A line of bad weather will not stop an airstrike flying through the hex from a good weather hex to a good weather hex. A no-fly symbol (a cloud) will appear on the tactical map if the Show Clouds preference option is selected." (Section 7.2.2.13)

"Aircraft can fail to find their Targets due to bad weather en route to or over their target, or due to the inability of the planes to locate their Target before they are forced to return to base due to fuel constraints."

"The chance of missing the target depends on many factors:

...

�� In each airstrike, one air group is designated as the lead group for that strike. If the lead air group fails to find the Target, all air groups in the airstrike will fail to locate the Target. A message will be shown if a group fails to find a Target after takeoff." (Section 7.2.2.14)

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ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

I see it all the time. Especially high experience recon planes.

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ORIGINAL: Local Yokel

Relevant extracts from the Manual:

"Offensive Missions can be aborted after all preparations have been made, but prior to take-off , due to bad weather over the air unit’s base or over the intended target. Hexes affected by bad weather blocks any air units from launching an airstrike from the hex, and it blocks any target in the hex from being attacked.

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ORIGINAL: Japan

Also, when having 27 ALF from a CS + 10-15 ALF from Ships, that IRL should be more then Pleanty to do Navel Search for a Carrier Task Force.