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Raindem -> Soviet Losses as of Turn 21 (11/24/2008 2:27:52 AM)

Trying to get my losses to display correctly but it's not working. Here is a link to the file:

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r147/Raindem/SovietLosses.jpg

Anyway, here's the Soviet situation as of Turn 21:

NORTHERN FRONT

Northern and Central Finland are fairly quiet. Some minor border sqirmishes going on but nothing to worry about.

Leningrad is not totally invested yet but it's getting there. The northern boundary has been pushed down to the existing earthen works. With Finish political restraints leaving the Germans on their own, that particular line has stabilized.

The northern segment of the Luga line has been breached, and German units are racing towards Leningrad's inner defense line. The southern part of the line is holding, but unless I get some troops up between Krasnogvardeseisk and Luga, the Germans can turn southeast and get behind the remainder of the line. As it stands, I've peeled away the 8th Army to form a new line northeast of Lake Il'men.

A temporary breakthrough just south of the lake threatened to split the northern and central fronts, but fortunately I had some entrained units in the area so it was easy to divert them to the threatened frontage.

CENTRAL FRONT

Larry has achieved a massive breakthrough between Kholm and Velizh. For reasons of operational security I'm not going to reveal exactly what I have there but it is, in my opinion, his most decisive success of the campaign so far. However, Larry's dilemna is that the flanks of the breakthrough (lakes region to the north and the Demidov gap to the south) still contain strong Soviet forces. Larry can push foward, but at his own peril. If he wheels either way to break these forces, or if he pauses while the rest of the line catches up, it gives me a chance to stabilize my defenses along the Smolensk-Moscow highway.

Moving south, my line is pretty solid from Smolensk to Roslav to Pochep. A few turns ago Larry had obtained a nice breakthrough in the land mass between the Iput and Desna rivers. I responded by overbuilding the Bryansk region defenses. With the line stabilized and his focus going seemingly somewhere else, I've thinned out the Bryansk defenses and used the troops in more deserving sectors.

Larry believes I'm getting one-for-one replacements against destroyed units, but that's not the case (at least not yet). A few turns ago Larry ceased Interdiction and the blowing of RR bridges so I've been able to shuttle units around quite easily. It makes it seem like I have more than I really do.

SOUTHERN FRONT

Larry has been unable (or actually I don't think he's tried) to take the Kiev crossing, but he conducted a brilliant fording for the Dnepr just south of there at Kanev. I thought I had it adequately guarded but his bridgehead quickly grew to several divisions. Unfortunately for Larry, there were a couple a mechanized corps passing through the area on their way to the central front. I countermanded their orders and sent them into fierce counterattacks against the bridgehead. I won't be able to snuff it out, but so far it has been contained. The issue is still in question.

Moving down the Dnepr, Larry forced 2 more crossings, at Kremenchug and Dneprpetrovsk. These were also positions I thought I had adequately covered but apparently not. When I started shifting troops to cover this latest breakthrough my position at Zaporozhe was overrun as well. So for all practical purposes the Dnepr has been breached along its length.

The rest of the line to the Black Sea coast is solid. But it won't stay that way since the whole position is now in danger of being encircled from the north. The whole Dnepr bend region is one area where I'll have to trade space for time.

CAUCUS FRONT

The initiative is slowly slipping away from Larry in this part of the front. At Odessa, the unexpected survival of the garrison will be a continuing thorn for him.

In the Crimea I have sufficient forces and supplies. I'm planning for a long drawn out campaign there.

Nothing is happening in Turkey which is good since I've stripped away 40% of their forces.

OVERALL

Except for the gaping hole west of Rzhev I'm not too unhappy with my position right now. I really have to keep my eye on that central front and be ready to respond to changes in direction. Until then, I'll continue to assume an easterly drive and plan accordingly.




larryfulkerson -> RE: Soviet Losses as of Turn 21 (11/24/2008 6:00:10 AM)

I thought I'd try to post the Soviet losses file that Curt has given us above and see if it's visible.

[image]local://upfiles/16287/5C0D885729234EA6A9D38A6CD3B453D9.gif[/image]




larryfulkerson -> Curt vs Larry FITE turn 22 (11/24/2008 6:02:44 AM)

Here's the moves minimovie from turns 18 throu 22:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/3418CF07634C4293AA003AFB6E82F5CF.gif[/image]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 22 (11/24/2008 6:07:05 AM)

And now a series of close-ups starting at the north sector:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/EFC04AE1F88A4773813A7BE5974FF5A0.gif[/image]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 22 (11/24/2008 6:09:22 AM)

And the next sector to the south:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/58525FBD18DC45D5870545EE22933DE8.gif[/image]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 22 (11/24/2008 6:11:49 AM)

And the next sector to the south:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/EB390E1735684BD58C8B7E767C738CAF.gif[/image]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 22 (11/24/2008 6:14:15 AM)

And the Smolensk area, the next sector to the south:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/18E85E8A72D041DC803EBFC41729F88D.gif[/image]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 22 (11/24/2008 6:16:25 AM)

And the next sector to the south:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/10192BC4B33C4C9181A0E149BC63510C.gif[/image]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 22 (11/24/2008 6:18:35 AM)

And in the Kiev area, the next sector to the south:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/D532E9104CA54E9BAE23EBC40104D08E.gif[/image]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 22 (11/24/2008 6:21:03 AM)

And the next sector to the south:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/D353C96A209846AD89595E4C3FAFF84A.gif[/image]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 22 (11/24/2008 6:23:07 AM)

And now in the area north of Sevastapol ( or however you spell it ):

[image]local://upfiles/16287/971C46C3516A4DBBB318BF60E179CF49.gif[/image]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 22 (11/24/2008 6:33:11 AM)

I believe I destroyed 58 Soviet units in turn 22: 43 infantry types, 5 armoured divisions, 8 guns, and 2 naval units. Here's the Axis losses so far:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/1E70D325789341B485D51EA956DFC487.gif[/image]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 22 (11/24/2008 6:39:21 AM)

Here's the north half of the front lines:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/559614A32F8E40FA8B862977BE2313F4.gif[/image]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 22 (11/24/2008 6:44:12 AM)

Here's the south half of the front lines:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/B319DB8759A64107BFA808AF7B0588F8.gif[/image]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 22 (11/24/2008 6:50:03 AM)

Here's the entire front lines in a smaller view:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/5C0369CE436041DDB0CBE91DC9711F16.gif[/image]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 22 (11/24/2008 5:56:14 PM)

Hey you guys.......I have evidence that the Air Briefing lies to the friendly player. I went through all the END_OF_TURN_DO_NOT_SEND files and got all the air briefing screens and did a cut and paste of the reports onto one picture and then went to a spreadsheet to add them up and found out that the total for the individual screens doesn't add up to what the inventory report says I lost. Here's a picture to show what I mean:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/19A7C13494AF4BC2BA7FD5A710AD00C1.gif[/image]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 22 (11/24/2008 7:51:37 PM)

It appears that the Air Briefing you get each turn always reports LESS aircraft than you actually lost ( except for, perhaps, the first turn ):

[image]local://upfiles/16287/9CE3810E0458430F8DB2857C727B8943.gif[/image]




pionier -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 22 (11/25/2008 9:13:10 AM)

well actually it does report the correct loss. But you've got to see you are the first player. So only the losses of your turn are in it. When your opp. playes he may destroy some of your aircraft.
This is simply the difference between thoose two numbers.

The correct loss of a turn is only for player two visible in the end of turn file.

If you want to calculate the real losses of enemy planes it's also very easy:

click a few times at the air report button. Then you will see three values of destroyed enmy airplanes. (even if you got more then on time the same number, click until you got thee different)
Then take that one that is in between. take half of it and you got the total loss of enemy planes at your round (player 1.) or in total (player two).
the other half is in the pool.

This is the way it is in all senarios.

regards




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 22 (11/25/2008 10:40:27 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pionier
The correct loss of a turn is only for player two visible in the end of turn file.


You're right. I hadn't thought of that. But wait.....I always send my turn to my PBEM opponent before he does his turn. So the END_OF_TURN_DONT_SEND file would only reflect my turn's losses would it not? So I'm STILL left with a discrepancy. I think.




pionier -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 22 (11/25/2008 10:49:09 AM)

yes you will always have the unknown. but it dosen't matter :D ^^




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 23 (11/25/2008 8:19:04 PM)

Here's the moves minimovie from turns 19 throu 23:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/D60E660727C54688A60E9F6F7E8A9AF3.gif[/image]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 23 (11/25/2008 8:24:09 PM)

And now a series of close-ups starting at the north sector:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/E4E58A04EA934D0792CF6CA0716B6741.gif[/image]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 23 (11/25/2008 8:26:48 PM)

And the next sector to the south:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/60C9D666CFF0430DB98ECA2EE2674D7C.gif[/image]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 23 (11/25/2008 8:28:52 PM)

And the next sector to the south:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/F6848592A79641DEB7A141C8096320B0.gif[/image]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 23 (11/25/2008 8:31:02 PM)

And the next sector to the south:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/06B5512AB8F64156B365B8CFEC1687C0.gif[/image]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 23 (11/25/2008 8:32:58 PM)

And in the Kiev area:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/5CAD09DC9BA64A39BF067109A57685E6.gif[/image]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 23 (11/25/2008 8:35:16 PM)

And the next sector to the south:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/1A1D8A90470345EFA4ABBBBEC384613E.gif[/image]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 23 (11/25/2008 8:37:22 PM)

And the next sector to the south:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/F9E428C03ED14023A5C3B80E03AA1FD7.gif[/image]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 23 (11/25/2008 8:46:58 PM)

I believe I destroyed 16 Soviet units: 6 infantry types, 4 armoured divisions, 4 guns, and 2 naval units. So few units because I only got two combat rounds because of an early turn ending. Here's the Axis losses so far:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/F2152699A9594423A879E2E6B1818A95.gif[/image]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Curt vs Larry FITE turn 24 (11/27/2008 2:31:45 AM)

Here's the moves minimovie from turns 20 throu 24:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/FBECCA30284D44318CA593EDBDF85E9C.gif[/image]




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