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VassagoPT -> Questions about versions (12/2/2008 11:00:03 AM)

Hello,

1st post here, but has a long date JA fan I am eager to get my hands on this game.

Got 2 questions:

- What version of Hired Guns will have the Matrixgames release? v.1.07 or more recent?
If it's more recent than 1.07 will that patch be available for the "older" versions of the game?

- Will this "updated" english version of the game be available in Europe retailers?
I'm in Portugal, and every major retailer here, including Mediamarket, GAME and FNAC, have never eard about Hired Guns and certainly ain't expecting to receive it. This is a problem for me as portuguese costums may raise some issues with software shipped from outside europe.
Of course I could just buy the digital download, but as a long time videogame player I am used to the old boxed games. I've adapted to the DVD cases, but I will never accept not having any sort of physical medium of the game.



VassagoPT -> RE: Questions about versions (12/2/2008 11:07:00 AM)

Just 1 more question I forgot:

- If I select Matrixgames "Digital Downloads and Physical Shipment" option, will you ship the physical game box to Portugal? Will I be able to download the game or do you have any US IP restrictions?





VassagoPT -> RE: Questions about versions (12/2/2008 7:10:54 PM)

89 page views and noone knows anything about my questions?

I've noticed Erik already posted on this forum after my post entry... Erik, you claimed to have tried the game already, don't you know at least what's the version of your game?



Erik Rutins -> RE: Questions about versions (12/2/2008 10:00:42 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: VassagoPT
- What version of Hired Guns will have the Matrixgames release? v.1.07 or more recent?
If it's more recent than 1.07 will that patch be available for the "older" versions of the game?


It's v1.07.000, which is the latest update and resolves the issues previously reported with an earlier release.

quote:

- Will this "updated" english version of the game be available in Europe retailers?
I'm in Portugal, and every major retailer here, including Mediamarket, GAME and FNAC, have never eard about Hired Guns and certainly ain't expecting to receive it. This is a problem for me as portuguese costums may raise some issues with software shipped from outside europe.
Of course I could just buy the digital download, but as a long time videogame player I am used to the old boxed games. I've adapted to the DVD cases, but I will never accept not having any sort of physical medium of the game.


I'm not sure on this - our partner is handling the retail release and I believe they're mainly going to US/North American stores.

However, if you purchase from us, the physical version is a real boxed version with a printed manual and will ship from our UK warehouse rather than from the US.

Regards,

- Erik



Erik Rutins -> RE: Questions about versions (12/2/2008 10:01:16 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: VassagoPT
- If I select Matrixgames "Digital Downloads and Physical Shipment" option, will you ship the physical game box to Portugal? Will I be able to download the game or do you have any US IP restrictions?


Yes, it will ship from our warehouse in Europe (UK) to Portugal. Yes, you'll be able to download just fine.



Erik Rutins -> RE: Questions about versions (12/2/2008 10:02:04 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: VassagoPT
I've noticed Erik already posted on this forum after my post entry... Erik, you claimed to have tried the game already, don't you know at least what's the version of your game?


Please note that I do not read every post on every forum each time I login. Sorry, just not enough time in the day, so I try to catch things as I can.



animaluk -> RE: Questions about versions (12/2/2008 10:29:13 PM)

How much for download please



VassagoPT -> RE: Questions about versions (12/3/2008 1:04:50 AM)

Thank you for the answer Erik.
I will be doing just that. As soon as the buy option comes up on Matrixgames I'll buy the digital+physical option and hope it ships from the UK. I buy a lot of things from the UK so that's just fine :)

To bad it wasn't yet released, but since I've been waiting for decent a JA followup for more than 9 years already, I think I can manage a few more days of waiting :P



milkweg -> RE: Questions about versions (12/3/2008 7:58:22 AM)

I would wait for some consumer reviews to determine if this is an actual worthwhile upate to JA2. The version they were selling before certainly isn't going by what I have read so either this patched version has massive changes or I would take the *one* commercial review done so far with a grain of salt.



VassagoPT -> RE: Questions about versions (12/3/2008 12:11:46 PM)

Well, what you are saying depends on eachone's criteria.
To be honest I'm never pushed forward or backward by game reviews because very often I tend to have different opinion. As an example, I'm also a long time fan of Fallout 3 and despite the fact that every fallout fan describes F3 as a piece of crap, I found it very good and fun to play and don't regret a single dime I spent.

Instead of reading game reviews I rather see facts of features and videos and making my own decision based on that.
From all the bad reviews given to Hired Guns none fingered the features I consider most important and that are missing on every game for 9 years:
- I want true Timed-Turn gameplay with contemporary mercs. Don't want 2nd WW games and certainly don't want "real-time with pause", thats crap in my opinion.
- I want to be able to recruit and manage mercs with singular skills and personalities. I don't want to hire just another nameless NPC with a lot of Dexterity or Strength, that simply ain't enough to catch my interest. Also I want mercs to get experience and improve skills both by fighting and training.
- I want the freedom to decide and manage which areas I will attack and defend, not follow a pre-defined path. I wan't those areas to provide me income so I can manage my merc crew and gear.
- I want real guns, lots of them, with costumization possibilities. 150 seam ok for me.
- ah, and I would like some graphical improvements over JA2...

If the game provides the above it will make me happy enough, especially since there have been no alternatives for 9 years, so at the moment I'm not really that demanding.

All that I've read from negative reviews is that AI is bad, graphics are outdated and camera problems, and to be honest graphics are more than fine for me, I don't need a perfect camera on a true "time turn" game because I have time to play it slowly, and as far as I know AI as been fixed with 1.07 patch.
Now all that I worry about is day-night cycle, which is important to me because I enjoy making a stealth crew equiped with silenced weapons and UV googles and get enemies by interrupts, but I read somewhere that the day-night cycle was already implemented on the game.

I'm more than happy with the facts I gathered about the game, and honestly I don't expect to see great review marks from popular game websites like Gamespot and such, because the truth is masses prefer brainless shooters or rat-wheel mmorpgs, and a true Timed-Turn game with aged graphics is always a candidate to bad reviews.



Erik Rutins -> RE: Questions about versions (12/4/2008 1:55:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: animaluk
How much for download please


US $29.99



Erik Rutins -> RE: Questions about versions (12/4/2008 1:57:59 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: VassagoPT
- I want true Timed-Turn gameplay with contemporary mercs. Don't want 2nd WW games and certainly don't want "real-time with pause", thats crap in my opinion.
- I want to be able to recruit and manage mercs with singular skills and personalities. I don't want to hire just another nameless NPC with a lot of Dexterity or Strength, that simply ain't enough to catch my interest. Also I want mercs to get experience and improve skills both by fighting and training.
- I want the freedom to decide and manage which areas I will attack and defend, not follow a pre-defined path. I wan't those areas to provide me income so I can manage my merc crew and gear.
- I want real guns, lots of them, with costumization possibilities. 150 seam ok for me.
- ah, and I would like some graphical improvements over JA2...


This is all in there, as far as I can tell.

quote:

All that I've read from negative reviews is that AI is bad, graphics are outdated and camera problems


FYI, I've had no AI problems or camera problems in v1.07 and the graphics look very good to me at least. I'm not sure how much better they could be if you still want a more isometric JA-style game.

I think Jim Cobb's review, posted in this forum, is generally accurate.

Regards,

- Erik



milkweg -> RE: Questions about versions (12/4/2008 3:11:19 AM)

"- I want the freedom to decide and manage which areas I will attack and defend, not follow a pre-defined path. I wan't those areas to provide me income so I can manage my merc crew and gear."

I read a user review of the old version at Bear's Pit forum and I believe he said you have to follow a pre-determined path and can't choose which sectors to take. I don't know if that was changed in a patch but may have been. THere should be soem user reviews up now so go read this forum.

http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/

Silent Storm was a decent JA like game, except for the lack of a good strategy layer. Tactical combat was better than JA2 though, IMO.



SeanD -> RE: Questions about versions (12/4/2008 4:42:47 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: milkweg

"- I want the freedom to decide and manage which areas I will attack and defend, not follow a pre-defined path. I wan't those areas to provide me income so I can manage my merc crew and gear."

I read a user review of the old version at Bear's Pit forum and I believe he said you have to follow a pre-determined path and can't choose which sectors to take. I don't know if that was changed in a patch but may have been. THere should be soem user reviews up now so go read this forum.

http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/

Silent Storm was a decent JA like game, except for the lack of a good strategy layer. Tactical combat was better than JA2 though, IMO.




I haven't played the version they're refering to but I can say that the Matrix version is definitely not a set path. You can bribe guards for passes to get around the country freely (well, some smart enemies may see through the subterfuge so be careful!). The short answer is there are different sectors strewn about the map which you have to travel to on a set path to get to but the design of the sectors is such that you have many different routes and areas you can concentrate on. Things branch out pretty quickly so the strategic layer does actually matter quite a bit in terms of where you attack and (more importantly) from WHICH DIRECTION you approach a sector as well.



Erik Rutins -> RE: Questions about versions (12/4/2008 4:58:58 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: milkweg
I read a user review of the old version at Bear's Pit forum and I believe he said you have to follow a pre-determined path and can't choose which sectors to take. I don't know if that was changed in a patch but may have been. THere should be soem user reviews up now so go read this forum.


It is not a set path at all.



VassagoPT -> RE: Questions about versions (12/4/2008 12:14:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: milkweg
I read a user review of the old version at Bear's Pit forum and I believe he said you have to follow a pre-determined path and can't choose which sectors to take.


From Matrixgames webpage (also listed on german publisher and GFI):
- Gain territory with brains, brawn or cold hard cash
- Determine your own fate with multiple storylines and endings
- Ally with up to four different factions for unique bonuses.
- Complete side missions to gain extra cash or loyalty
- Upgrade captured territories with extra defense or squeeze more cash from them with new facilities and upgrades.

If what you say was right then all those features officially advertised would be bullshit. Since this is a niche market I don't think all these companies can afford false advertising because that would put them out of business quite fast, so no, I don't believe that review.


quote:

ORIGINAL: milkweg
Silent Storm was a decent JA like game, except for the lack of a good strategy layer. Tactical combat was better than JA2 though, IMO.


There's one of the differences between players. I bought Silent Storm hoping for a JA kind of game and hated it. Imo that game really sucks because what I want is not a better tactical combat than JA, what I do like in JA is all the features I focused on my previous post. Those features all combined is what made me love JA1&2 and consider them my all time favorites. Sirtech knew that, on the other hand Strategy First are retards that didn't get that and tried to include different features to appeal to more people, like the silly real-time with pause. I'm very glad that Strategy First pulled the plug on JA 3D and left GFI with the freedom to give what original JA fanbase expects: more of the same, no more, no less.
I don't expect Hired Guns to reach the quality level of original JA, but so far it seams like the closest thing we have from it because for the 1st time someone understood that JA magic comes from the gathering of several features, missing some although improving other aspects simply won't be enough to please most of the JA fanbase.
Even if combat in Hired Guns is worse than JA's, or if mercs personalities are not as deep as in JA, the fact is we still have a bit of every JA ingredient here, so imo the worse it can be is a poor JA, but a poor JA for me is still way better than all Silent Storms and similar crap and certainly worth my money and time.

quote:

ORIGINAL: SeanD
I haven't played the version they're refering to but I can say that the Matrix version is definitely not a set path. You can bribe guards for passes to get around the country freely (well, some smart enemies may see through the subterfuge so be careful!). The short answer is there are different sectors strewn about the map which you have to travel to on a set path to get to but the design of the sectors is such that you have many different routes and areas you can concentrate on. Things branch out pretty quickly so the strategic layer does actually matter quite a bit in terms of where you attack and (more importantly) from WHICH DIRECTION you approach a sector as well.


To me that sounds alot like the original JA 1 ;)
If you all remember, on original JA we couldn't attack every sector we wanted to. We 1st needed to pass by all the sectors between our domain and the destination sector. That seams logic to me.
I like ground based conquering based on expanding and defending our boundaries. Flying to the destination sector directly is imo wasting game content and rushing to the end of the storyline. I certainly don't want to rush on a game I waited for 9 years...

Oh, and btw, that guard bribing thing just made me even more happy. That's what I call a nice improvement in the game since it adds more strategy without removing any original feature :)



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