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Alikchi2 -> RE: What Coman SAID in the first movie... (4/20/2009 10:00:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

India is a problem, either through my bungling of the campaign or Allied strength, but the total AV at Bombay and Karachi actually equals ours in India. That's not good. They could break out of Karachi anytime they want to, and not much we can do about it at this point. We will try Bombay, but I'll be surprised if we take it.



I don't think this speaks poorly of you at all. You've managed to harry a superior force into separated coastal bases with no escape.

Not that you need my advice, but you have to try as hard as you can for Bombay. Denude the Karachi front if you have to, it doesn't seem like they'd even consider breaking out.



Hornblower -> RE: What Coman SAID in the first movie... (4/20/2009 10:42:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: flaggelant

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ORIGINAL: hartwig.modrow


b) how do you explain the presence of the marines on the island then - just a negligence not to remove them ? To support floatplanes, an AV would have done the job. Why not preserving the units ?



Negligence does come to mind, since they didn't even bother to move the catalina's somewhere else (at least 1 squadron could have been saved without a loss of nav search/recon on what was comming )


There have been TF's at Palmyra since the start of the operation vs Canton if i remember right, so that's probably going to be "the line"


i don't think this is Negligence. If it was Negligence he would have quit the game already. There is a plan in place- must be.. The 5th fleet will sortie from Pearl, hitting Wake with 2 divisions and swing down into the Northern Marshalls...





John 3rd -> RE: What Conan SAID in the first movie... (4/20/2009 10:58:13 PM)

IF they intend to defend the Line Islands then I WILL FIND OUT!

This is Sir Robin to the EXTREME and it is driving me nuts.  Have flown in 2 Chutai of Emily to do recon.  They will provide a rough answer to the questions.

The ENTIRE KB will sit at Canton for a bit once the mines are swept away.  Given about 5-7 days a decision will be reached as to what to do next.  I didn't even need my 3rd Inf Brigade to make the assault landing so I have troops immediately available...

As to a Wake/Northern Marshalls landing all I have to say is BRING...IT...ON! 




John 3rd -> Captain's Log (4/21/2009 4:06:14 AM)

I-6
Commander's Log
Lt. Cdr. Irisawa Juichi

The I-6 is a J-1 Class Ocean-Going Japanese I-Boat.  The ship has patrolled off Hawaii, been near southern Australia, and is now on station in the Gulf of Aden.  Prior patrols have seen the submarine do well in sinking a pair of Allied AK.  She is capably led, has an experienced crew, and carries a devastatingly accurate set of Torpedoes.

June 12th the ship arrives at Mandalore to refuel and then move into the Gulf of Aden.  Shipping has been very plentiful here of late as the Allies have been driven back to just Bombay and Karachi.  After a few days on plane guard duty at Bombay, the large submarine moves to sea and goes hunting.  It is not long before her game arrives and in a flurry of three days she expends all of her missiles.

Her Log:

June 24th---Surface Attack on AK Cormorant hitting her with 4 Shells and 2 Torps.  The ships sinks that day while carrying members of the 222nd RAF Aviation unit.

June 25th---The Sub hits AK Empire Resistance with a single Torp.  The ship blows up and sinks.

June 26th---Two Torps smash into an unknown AK sinking her the next day.

On the 27th, Commander Isisawa turns the bow SE and heads back to Mandalore having moved up into the elite of the Japanese Submarine Force.  She is an ACE with 5 confirmed AKs sunk to her credit.

Statistics:
Captain:  Leadership:  58  Inspiration:  54
Crew:  Day 57---Night 64

How about that?!!
 



John 3rd -> Allied Strategists Please??? (4/22/2009 1:46:24 AM)

Can ANYONE make a semblance of heads or tails out of this?



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Hornblower -> RE: Allied Strategists Please??? (4/22/2009 2:05:04 AM)

Like your being tempted to continue...



John 3rd -> RE: Allied Strategists Please??? (4/22/2009 2:17:47 AM)

"LIKE?"

I am...

I've still got half the Canton Invasion Force without any casualties or disruption.




John 3rd -> RE: Allied Strategists Please??? (4/22/2009 6:03:37 AM)

Spent some time playing with TRACKER and am working on the Fleet right now.  I currently have the following ships located at Canton:

6 CV
3 CVL
2 CS
1 BB
2 BC
7 CA
4 CL
32 DD

Of these ships I have CVs Soryu, Shokaku, Zuikaku, and 15 DD needing to upgrade starting July 1st. 

I shall immediately grab the Line Islands and then send that portion of the Fleet home for R&R as well as upgrades.

Landing Forces:
Palmyra shall get 2 Inf Brigades
Christmas Isle will get the 3rd Brigade

I have plenty of Base Force and other units in the pipeline; however, they are a ways away.  Will grab these islands on the cheap and then move reinforcement there as they become available. 

While I re-organize the Perimeter the Fleet will upgrade and work off its System Damage.  Will also use the time to get my fuel stocks built-up at Kwajalein, Truk, and Suva. 

After this quick Operation we will give the Allies July to respond.  If they do not then the Fleet will go hunting...




Panther Bait -> RE: Allied Strategists Please??? (4/22/2009 12:43:46 PM)

Are you going to pull the invasion forces at Palmyra and Christmas after the islands are taken and hold them with token base forces and recon/patrol assets?  Or are you thinking that you'll try to hold them?  I'd be leery of putting anything you can't lose painlessly (like full infantry brigades or aviation regiments) that close to Hawaii.  There's gotta be a ton of troops there by now.  And with the KB in refit back home, they'll be awful exposed with just unescorted Betty support from Canton (especially at an AF of 3 for the moment).

What size airfield does Palmyra have now?

Of course the evil side of me is thinking "Hmmmm, I wonder what they have stationed at the Panama Canal?"  [X(]



vettim89 -> RE: Allied Strategists Please??? (4/22/2009 1:03:36 PM)

I read this AAR and I just shake my head. What are the Allies doing? I was going to make the comment that it's like you guys are playing the AI. Then I thought no, the AI would put up more of a fight than this. Well, the only thing I can say is that P-38's arrive in just three months. I am sure John is planning a big party with all his friends to celebrate that date



ny59giants -> RE: Allied Strategists Please??? (4/22/2009 1:41:32 PM)

As an Allied player, I hate the loss of Christmas Island as once it gets to AF4, then Ms. Betty can reach out to the Panama Channel border and make getting anything to the Society Islands and beyond very hazardous.  Going through Panama makes the turn around time even longer. 



veji1 -> RE: Allied Strategists Please??? (4/22/2009 1:43:21 PM)

To be honest, the allies aren't doing that bad since, if I remember correctly they are likely to save india and haven't lost major Fleet assets( iirc)... It is extreme Sir Robin, but if they haven't lost much, once they consider themselves strong enough, let's roll !! 



Canoerebel -> RE: Allied Strategists Please??? (4/22/2009 2:28:24 PM)

veji1 is right.  Nothing crippling has happened in this game to either side, assuming the Allies hold what remains of India, which it looks like they will.

Apparently the Allies decided that Hawaii and the Society Islands were going to be bastions, and that everything else (including the Line Islands) would be expendable.

Given the time they've had to solidify their defensese in CenPac and SoPac, the failure to "move out" and fully defend Palmyra and Christmas comes as a suprise to many of us, but it really doesn't mean a thing strategically unless the Allies intend to start their comeback by hitting those islands, because then they'd be fighting for ground they could've kept in the first place.

But it's far more likely that the Allies will strike deeper into Jap territory so that the most forward Jap positions will be cut off and become essentially irrelevant six months or a year from now.

Many of us would've done it a different way, but since the Allies haven't suffered a greivous blow yet, they'll be fine.  (That they haven't suffered a grevious blow isn't because John and Q-Ball haven't tried and haven't pushed, pushed, pushed as hard as they can).



Canoerebel -> RE: Allied Strategists Please??? (4/22/2009 2:31:10 PM)

Thinking a little bit further, only one thing can stop the Allies now.  If they suffered a costly and one-sided defeat in a carrier battle, they'd have a hard time, because then their advances would be tied to LBA, which would make their comeback much slower and more difficult.  But as long as the Allied carriers are intact, or as long as the ratio remains similar to what it is now, the Allies are fine and dandy in the Pacific.



vettim89 -> RE: Allied Strategists Please??? (4/22/2009 2:43:56 PM)

I would agree with most of this but by refusing battle at all stages the Allies are not building any significant pilot experience. Having seen in my game how devastating 2000 lb bomb attacks can be, having as many BG with high EXP is an invaluable asset for the Allies.



Rainer79 -> RE: Allied Strategists Please??? (4/22/2009 3:37:53 PM)

[tongue-in-cheek]
It would be fun to send a Glen recon mission to Pearl to see if there is anything there.
[/tongue-in-cheek]



veji1 -> RE: Allied Strategists Please??? (4/22/2009 4:58:05 PM)

As usual in this situation, If i was Q and John I would start to take on long look at Aleutians, North Japan islands, Wake, Marcus, Iwo... 



flaggelant -> RE: Allied Strategists Please??? (4/22/2009 5:33:22 PM)

Since there is only a light garrison at Palmyra there might be time to put KB in between Pearl & West coast

that way you might get a valuable shipping intercept, without leaving the area to support the line islands against a counterinvasion
it would also cut off retreat to pearl from any invasion on line/gilbert/wake/midway or any other backwater base.

and if nothing happens the homelands aren't that far away for upgrades [>:]




vettim89 -> RE: Allied Strategists Please??? (4/22/2009 6:46:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: flaggelant

Since there is only a light garrison at Palmyra there might be time to put KB in between Pearl & West coast

that way you might get a valuable shipping intercept, without leaving the area to support the line islands against a counterinvasion
it would also cut off retreat to pearl from any invasion on line/gilbert/wake/midway or any other backwater base.

and if nothing happens the homelands aren't that far away for upgrades [>:]





Ooooooh I like this idea a lot



Hornblower -> RE: Allied Strategists Please??? (4/22/2009 6:50:14 PM)

I wonder hows the Allies SS activity?  with the LOC spread the way that it is, i would think it would offer some tempting hunting grounds.  How are you working your supplies to the island?  do you have supplies comming in from the HI to say Tarawa and then have other ak's shuttling the supplies hither and yon?



John 3rd -> RE: Allied Strategists Please??? (4/23/2009 2:54:07 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: flaggelant

Since there is only a light garrison at Palmyra there might be time to put KB in between Pearl & West coast

that way you might get a valuable shipping intercept, without leaving the area to support the line islands against a counterinvasion
it would also cut off retreat to pearl from any invasion on line/gilbert/wake/midway or any other backwater base.

and if nothing happens the homelands aren't that far away for upgrades [>:]




I am thinking about this very idea Flag! First we grab the Line Islands, get some R&R and then raid...



John 3rd -> India (4/23/2009 3:00:52 AM)

My strategic partner has made important moves and THEN informed me of it! The Ceylon Invasion Force is formed and moving. Estimate that July 15th will be D-Day. Here is all the vital information:



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EDIT: Why is it that I only see spelling errors on these screenshots AFTER I click the box closed?



John 3rd -> We want our... (4/23/2009 3:08:29 AM)

We want shiny new flying toys and are being CHEATED by this infernal AI...


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John 3rd -> I'd like one please... (4/23/2009 3:11:42 AM)

...and we draw an ACE!



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John 3rd -> Midway through 3rd Inning... (4/23/2009 3:15:45 AM)

Thought people might like to see the actual VP Card from the game to see all the various statistics at this point in the fight.


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ny59giants -> RE: Midway through 3rd Inning... (4/23/2009 3:28:41 AM)

I'll have a couple of cold beers for you tonight and let you know how they tasted. [sm=party-smiley-012.gif][sm=party-smiley-012.gif]



n01487477 -> Still No Tojo's ... (4/23/2009 3:40:23 AM)

Posted this elsewhere, but time I told you ...

R&D
Divided opinion here, but take it from me, if you manage your R&D you can get some good results. Think about picking just one or max two planes in '42 and maybe one long term project.

# Damaged R&D factories do not supply points, so a (1)30 factory will not supply R&D points until it is fully repaired.
# More factories doing R&D are better than less. If comparing just one 30(0) or 3 * 10(0) the latter is better.
# Larger factories do not supply more points - there is no substantial difference between a 30 and a 300 R&D factory.
# Factories that are damaged but Repairs turned off do not accrue points.
# Size 30 will give about 1 point per day... you need 100 to get a month off.

--Damian--



John 3rd -> RE: Still No Tojo's ... (4/23/2009 4:12:27 AM)

I HATE THIS GAME!

If I had known this we wouldn't converted the big lines at Mukden and Gumma...



n01487477 -> RE: Still No Tojo's ... (4/23/2009 4:32:12 AM)

Sorry John,
don't ... [sm=fighting0083.gif] .... [:D][:D][:D]

Those lines are better for long range R&D or to augment other non R&D needs. But at least you'll be getting a good build of Tojo's in double quick time, and can move onto other R&D quickly. Still the loss of potentially 1/4 of factory capacity each time you convert IIRC, is something to remember.

Have a good one[8D]

--Damian--



John 3rd -> RE: Still No Tojo's ... (4/23/2009 5:30:58 AM)

Maybe we can shift those big lines over to something we want in 1943 like Jacks or FRANKS!!!




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