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John 3rd -> RE: Japan X-Mas Presents (1/14/2009 4:01:39 AM)

Good thoughts Sir and welcome to the AAR as a regular contributor!

Once India becomes the target of choice I have real fear for the Pacific.  This is why I want a couple of those Brigades as quickly as I can to strengthen my lines and create a few strongpoints.

As the commander of the CenPac and SoPac, I have no clear strategic visions once we have PM and New Caledonia.  There isn't much I can achieve with only an Inf Div and South Seas Force.




TenChiMato -> RE: Japan X-Mas Presents (1/14/2009 11:23:12 AM)

Thanks[;)] Actually your battle plan is very similar to the one I had in one of my game though I had to stop it due to RL issues so I sure have quite some thoughts about it [:)]

There isnt much your opponents can do in the first months of '42 due to very limited ressources and the need to build up key support bases. Also, due to the Nell/Betty threat they are unlikely to risk precious fleet carriers in a limited offensive within torpedo range of your naval LB. They can however strike your most isolated bases : Wake, Tarawa, Noumea.

- The loss of Wake is a minor nuisance in early-mid '42, you cant support it efficiently but then nor can they, its too far away from their own bases. They have more interesting targets for a limited (expect around 2 divisions, 1-2 RCT plus various supporting assets) assault
- Seizing Tarawa and the Gilberts Is is way more interesting. This allows them to contest the Marshalls early, protect Suva and Canton and considerably impair your hability to reinforce this area.
- Noumea is doomed from the start, with the bulk of your forces in the Indian Ocean, the distance to your main bases, there is no way you can hold it. Any troop you send there shall be lost. You can keep it as a decoy since you know they have to retake it if they want to assault the Solomons but dont sacrifice valuable troops in its defense, some low exp NLF/NLF guards units, just enough AV to force them to be serious about it and bring a Div or two to the game will do (and evacuate cadres of these suicide units asap). I would sacrifice NLFs there to gain time to reinforce the Solomons especially Guadalcanal as well as the whole Rabaul/PM area.

Personaly once Iam sure you go for India, I would go for Tarawa first and asap while strengthening Suva both for logistical reasons (closer to US supply lines, ability to react faster) and because time is of the essence here as you must not be allowed to develop this base early and have a Lv4 Airfield there or it will be way more costly. Also this allows to bring in US air force units and relieve the pressure on navy squadrons, all the better.
Noumea can wait a bit, its isolated anyway.

One other thing they can do if you overextend in India is to raid Kwajalein/Wake as Gen. Hoepner did in his AAR against Trollelite. But then Trollelite had clearly not taken any action to reinforce the 4th fleet defenses and expected his opponent to do a much more limited counterattack.

Btw this is where your deception regarding Australia is playing against you. If they have received Intel about it and acknowledged this as a real threat, their available forces will have been deployed close to this area. In such case, their forces will already be in position to strike back quickly once they know your main assets are going for India.

As for the 56th Div either you keep it in reserve central (Truk) for a counter-attack supported by your returning KB, or you can split it and send the fragments to key frontline bases such as Tarawa, PM, Guadalcanal along with CD units, a NLF Guard and these large naval BF with CDs. As for Noumea and Wake, some NLF guards backed up with elite SNLF will do.

The South Seas detachment can garrison Rabaul and act as a mobile reserve while you put your elite NLF guard/SNLF units in reserve at Kwajalein ready to be airlifted to Tarawa or Wake just in case.

Regarding PM, having it is a good thing but it will turn into a deathtrap once they have enough 4E LBs to crush it so dont reinforce it too much.





Q-Ball -> Singapore, Ho! (1/15/2009 3:38:34 AM)

Dec 27th to 29th in the SRA

Save for one long-term disaster, a good few days in the SRA. A quick recap:

Phillipines

Patrols report Baguio to be empty; those units retreated to Clark. There are 15 units at Clark, most of their combat units; 19 units at Manila, mostly engineers and HQ forces. 38th and 2nd Division are landing at Lingayen, meaning about 1300 AV will soon be at Clark. That should be enough to reduce the base. They can't retreat to Manila, which is invested by 4th Div.

DEI

4 SNLF units attacked Balikpapan; over 6000 Dutch defended the base, including 4 base units. The battle was short as it quickly fell, but the Dutch engineers did their work; the base is completely trashed! Only 1 Oil point remains. This is BAD luck.

On the bright side, all forces at Timor, Poniatak, and Balikpapan surrendered in the last 3 days, nearly 10,000 Dutch troops captured.

The Java Invasion sails tommorow, with D-Day about Jan 4th. One thing I just noticed, about 7 units are gathered at Bandoeng. I wonder if they suspect a landing at Kragen, and are gathering there for a quick move to the base before the invasion. Not sure it would change our plans, but interesting.....

There isn't now an Allied airfield anywhere between Bali and the Australian coast. That will mean no P-40s on Java.

Malaya

We will be at Johore Bharu in two days. 2 Bdes are cut off north of Kuantan, and two more have been kicked down the Malayan coast. We'll see if they resist at Johore Bharu; hopefully they will.




2ndACR -> RE: Singapore, Ho! (1/15/2009 11:55:28 AM)

I think that base is hard coded to be trashed........in all my games since release, I have never, ever taken Balikapan without it being trashed. I have tried everything, constant naval bombardments, air attacks using entire divisions, nothing works. I can handle random, but that one base is always a given for being trashed.

Nice thing Tobali and Kendari are right there, at least it makes it easy to ship supplies in for rebuilding it.




John 3rd -> RE: Singapore, Ho! (1/17/2009 3:05:33 AM)

Brad and I haven't been posting much this week.  I've been so wrapped up in Forlorn Hopes that this has suffered.  We've been managing a turn a day so the current day is December 30th.  Think I will try to get an update in tonight to match the book I am writing for Dan and I's game.





brisd -> RE: Singapore, Ho! (1/17/2009 3:15:44 AM)

Subscribed!  After a few years of WITP vacation, I am back to reading the forums and playing the game.  I prefer to play the Japanese so this thread is a wealth of strategy information.  Well done so far! [&o]




John 3rd -> RE: Singapore, Ho! (1/17/2009 4:02:39 AM)

Why thank you Sir and Welcome!  Where did you get the picture of...Akagi (?)...for your artwork?





John 3rd -> Coral Sea Summary to Dec 30th (1/17/2009 4:21:06 AM)

Here is the Northern half of the Japanese sledgehammer blows against the SE Pacific:



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John 3rd -> Coral Sea Summary to Dec 30th (1/17/2009 4:28:55 AM)

Here is the Southern half of the movement:



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John 3rd -> By the Light of the Silvery Moon... (1/17/2009 4:37:58 AM)

Continuing his 'we are just misunderstood tour,' Adm Yamaguchi is out prowling around...



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John 3rd -> Operation Winter Dragon (1/17/2009 5:17:10 AM)

I wrote this note to Brad earlier:

I have a China thought.

You are gathering quite an army for the Yenen drive. What do you think of augmenting it with a drive from Hankow north using 11th Army HQ and 3 Inf Div with support? Once we've cleared the hex across from Kaifeng, that Inf Div there could cross and join the attack. I doubt it would be enough to grab Sian but it might force the Chinese to SPLIT their defense and help the Yenen attack.

Does that sound interesting or not?

As to the AVG, the best way to destroy the AVG is by concentrating some Zeros to hit them. Nice for them to put it somwhere that isn't vital! IF they keep that squadron there why not convert a Daitai of Claudes in Japan and move it? Add another Daitai from the DEI and attack with 54 Zero as well as 40 or so Nate/Oscar? If we stage it in January then we have most of the Zero Bonus to smack them around with.

Will post this on the AAR.



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The real attack and objective is Yenen but a drive on Honan could serve as the diversion...




brisd -> RE: Singapore, Ho! (1/17/2009 6:42:45 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Why thank you Sir and Welcome!  Where did you get the picture of...Akagi (?)...for your artwork?




Happy to be a reader. I got that photo from Combined Fleet.com, the ultimate home of the IJN on the internet. [:D] And it is indeed the mighty Akagi.


IMO the success of the Japanese team so far is a clear demonstration of what a veteran WITP player can do to the Allies in the first months of the war. Being aggressive but also not foolhardy, knowing the limits of ones forces and the opponents, allows a concentration of force aimed at an early conquest of the SRA, while threatning to isolate Australia and New Zealand, possibly the prelude to an invasion (I like the Manchurian divisions targeted for down-under, nicely done). I think the Allies must focus on taking back Nomea and the rest rather than attacking in the Central Pacific, the threat is to Australia is real. As far as the Indian/Burma theater, I strongly favor that move as it has the potential to knock the UK out of the war; those divisons, air and ships can then be back on the front to stop the US offensive and probably force auto-victory at the end of 1942. Thanks for the exciting maps of your forces' movements, it really enhances the discussion.




ny59giants -> RE: Singapore, Ho! (1/17/2009 1:12:40 PM)

Sir John,

There is a part of me that wants you to avoid making any further moves towards the SE corner of the map. That would include any carrier raids in the South Pacific towards Suva, Pago Pago, and French Polynesia. Capture New Calendonia, Luganville, and Efate. Land a BF, SNL, and construction at Norfolk to provide a base for your patrol planes.

Now to the why. See if the Allies decide to move some divisions from the West coast to Suva and Pago Pago area to make a stand. Once India is underway and those carriers are not needed, they can support a landing there by your troops from Luzon. You could use that area for a trap of early American LCUs. Just a thought. [;)]




John 3rd -> RE: Singapore, Ho! (1/17/2009 3:51:43 PM)

Michael--Sorry about not calling last night.  Had a long and deep conversation with Paula.  Wasn't sure if a midnight call (your time) would have been OK.

I've had your very thought.  The reality is that I only have two strong units in this region.  Moving eastwards towards Suva, Tonga, or Pago-Pago would just invite disaster until I get ground reinforcements.  My thinking is to halt landings with the capture of New Caledonia, gain some more Infantry (probably China Brigades), and then plot my next move.

brisd--Thanks to for the endorsement of the strategy to date.  I really feel that Brad and I have made a pretty potent team.  He has conducted the DEI campaign flawlessly and I am very impressed with his work there.  We have taken NO risks over there and are so far ahead of the actual Japanese timetable that it defies the imagination.  We're ready to cross into Singapore on January 1st.  Java will be invaded no later then the 10th.  Been pretty lucky to this point.

I hope Brad has time to explain his DEI moves later today.





John 3rd -> Philippines and Borneo (1/17/2009 4:05:07 PM)

I'll add these if Brad wants to talk about his operations.


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John 3rd -> Malaya and West DEI (1/17/2009 4:09:53 PM)

The Western Portion:



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John 3rd -> Eastern DEI (1/17/2009 4:14:31 PM)

The Eastern portion of the octopus...


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ny59giants -> RE: Eastern DEI (1/17/2009 5:24:02 PM)

quote:

I've had your very thought. The reality is that I only have two strong units in this region. Moving eastwards towards Suva, Tonga, or Pago-Pago would just invite disaster until I get ground reinforcements. My thinking is to halt landings with the capture of New Caledonia, gain some more Infantry (probably China Brigades), and then plot my next move.


I'm advocating no moves over here, including no carriers raids for the time being. Let them think that it is safe to send in some troops and try to hold those bases (Suva and Pago Pago area). See if they are willing to send in a few divisions and try to hold that area. Once the carriers are not needed for India and some more troops are freed up, then strike here. Hopefully, they will commit there CVs to this enterprise.




Q-Ball -> RE: Eastern DEI (1/17/2009 5:39:14 PM)

December 30th and 31st

We are pleased to report to Imperial Headquarters good progress in our liberation of the Asian peoples of the SRA from their colonial masters. Soon the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere will add this area to it's orbit.

Phillipines

Additional troops have finished unloading, and are about to invest Clark. We will have the 2nd,38th,48th Divisions, 65bde, some SNLF, plus artillery and tanks. The USAFFEE troops are nearly even split between Manila and Clark:

Clark: 5 PA Divisions (1,11,21,31,71), 26 PS Cav,45 PS RCT,4th Marines, both Tank Units,and 2 Artillery Units. NO engineers or HQ. Forts are at 1.

Manila: 3 PA Divisions (41,51,91), 3 RCTs (31,43,57), and all base force and HQ units.

Obviously we hope to destroy the forces at Clark, take Bataan, then reduce Manila. Our opponents made a mistake in allowing their forces to be split, with some in clear terrain. This is the risk in defending Baguio, though they probably should have withdrawn once Naga fell.

Dutch East Indies

Invasion forces are approaching Bali and Banjarmisan. Banjarmisan is the last landing before Java, and will be able to cover the invasion at Kragen.

The Java Invasion force completes loading at Saigon and sails tommorow. We have detected troops concentrations at Batavia and Madioen, no doubt thinking we might land at Merak or Kragen. I have been trying to sell Merak through recon flights, and bombing Batavia; but even with everything, I think we have plenty of force to muscle ashore. The primary forces:

23rd Army

21st Division
21st Mixed Brigade
23rd Mixed Brigade
56th Mixed Brigade (from Davao)
4th Mixed Regt
6th Tank Regt
23rd Engineer Rgt
Base Forces in Support


....this should be plenty.

As John mentioned, the 4th Mixed Bde will load up at Kuching, and land at Brunei in a few days. Overwhelming force to avoid a protracted struggle.

Ahead of the invasion, we are working on the Dutch Air Force. The raid on Batavia destroyed 17 fighters yesterday, we want to have most of them shot down before we land.

Malaya

The last of our forces arrive at Johore Bharu tommorow, and the attack will then commence. I am glad they are resisting there, hopefully they will be disrupted and fatigued as they withdraw to Singapore.




John 3rd -> and Burma (1/17/2009 10:47:52 PM)

My Fellow strategist put things quite well in the DEI!

I would note that my forces are nearly past that damned trail hex between Moulmein and Rahaeng. The moment they arrive at Moulmein, Operation Monsoon occurs with the capture of Lashio and other points by Paratroopers.




Q-Ball -> RE: Japan X-Mas Presents (1/18/2009 4:59:04 PM)

John and I have exchanged a couple notes with an interesting question on the SW Pac: What next after Noumea?

John is moving well. We have intentionally kept the forces on the East side of the map to a minimum, in order to focus on SRA/India. John can go through an OOB in more detail, but it's pretty much 56th Div, South Seas Det, and some SNLF units.

Noumea should fall by mid-January. What after that?

Ellice Islands?
Fiji?
Canton?
Baker?

I'm not sure we have the troops to defeat that Bde on Fiji even.




John 3rd -> Strategic Choices (1/18/2009 5:10:24 PM)

I just sent a long note to Brad of which this was a part:

I like to leave something in the Marianas for AF expansion.  Perhaps we could stage a move when those new BF come in to Tokyo that a smaller BF can each go to Saipan and Tinian while we move the larger BF to Efate and Noumea?  That would work out pretty nicely.

The ooomph of the Japanese drive will eghaust itself with Koumac and Noumea.  I'll be very low on supply and have tired troops.  Figure to rest there for a bit.  Michael and I were talking yesterday about perhaps trying to lay a trap for the Allies.  That we don't lunge further east AT ALL for a period of 6-8 weeks and allow the Allies to move troops into the area.  Once this has been allowed then we chose a location, attack, and destroy the units present.  It isn't just about territory at that point it should also be about killing units.

To do this I will desperately need troops.  Once we pull that big Artillery Regiment out of Moppo (I converted 4th Army HQ for India by the way), I could really use at least two of the Chinese small Brigades.  I have ordered most of those units to Shanghai as is so they can wait.  What do you think?

Agree too that we need more bombers online.  How about we follow your thought and strip two Sentai from Manchuria after we pull that Artillery Regiment?  

All we have in the Central and South Pacific for large Inf units are South Seas Force and 56th Inf Div.  This is it.  Until I get reinforcements, I will shift to the defensive--I HATE THAT--until we can gather enough power to strike somewhere.  Perhaps, in addition to those China Brigades, I could grab an Infantry Div from the Philippine Campaign upon its completion? 

During the hiatus of operations, the Japanese will expand bases as fast as possible.

Add to this the return of CarDiv2 with CVL Shoho in early-April.  I would then have 6 CV and 1-2 CVL for offensive operations.

As for targets I would think taking Suva is best.  It isn't far from Noumea/Efate and simply widens are salient allowing for easier raiding to the south.

Ideas?  Comments??






ny59giants -> RE: Strategic Choices (1/18/2009 5:19:54 PM)

All I would put in the Central Pacific and the SE corner of the South Pacific are some sub hunter/killer groups (1 Glen equipped sub and 2 to 3 fleet subs each). Send them to Suva, Pago Pago, French Polynesia, and Christmas Island. They should be building up Christmas "IF" they are going to make a stand around Pago Pago area. Keep KB hidden so they feel they will need to use their CVs for escort duty. 




Canoerebel -> RE: Strategic Vision (1/18/2009 5:50:14 PM)

Your opponents are experienced and capable; they know the Japs can pretty much go wherever they want to in '41 and '42. They aren't going to go on the offensive any time soon in SwPac or SoPac because their concentrating on avoiding bad battles against a superior foe and hoping to have a chance to consolidate and build up a defensive line. So a few feints and thrusts by the Japs will reinforce the Allies' intuitive need to defend; but if you allow them to take and build up atolls (like Pago Pago) it is going to be most costly for you to recapture them. So what? If you have India, you don't need Pago Pago. Suva is a good idea, of course, because it's not an atoll. And if you simply have to keep gobbling up ground to keep up the appearances of activity, Papete isn't an atoll either. Why in the world would you want to attack a heavily defended Pago Pago?




John 3rd -> RE: Strategic Vision (1/18/2009 6:38:36 PM)

Hey--Are the Giants playing today?   Ooooppppsss...  [:D]

Dan--I concur with your thoughts.  Pago-Pago roughed me up in our game if you remember WAAAAYYYY back to 1942.  I had a great victory against Mandrake and Tabpub there in that campaign where I destroyed the 2nd Marine Division.

I think the point of getting Suva 'for an appearance of activity' is a very sound point.  It will take to mid-January for all of New Caledonia to fall and then we can move on Suva by landing at Nandi first.

There has been some American naval activity at Papeate and I am working on combing my CarDiv1 and 5 NE of New Zealand.  My AOs are 2 days away.  I will refuel and then move towards that target with the intent of causing some trouble.  Since there is a real chance of meeting some US CVs, I will lead my CVs with a small STF of 1 CL and 2 DD to serve as bait if there are carriers around.

Brad--Michael brings up a very good idea as to moving SS down into this area.  The PH SS have been useless for getting in attacks.  What do you think about pulling them back to Kwajalein, change commanders out, and then redeploy into the SE PAC?  We have a few SS there already and another dozen would certainly help a bit.

Also, we should start thinking about SS moving into the IO to cause some trouble as a prelude to our landing.

The two damaged Fuso's are now headed home.  I cannot remember which one was at what but one was Sys-50 and the other was Sys-32.  There were results of two Dutch SS hitting each BB with 2 Trops.  They will be repairing for a while.  Nagato will repair at Singapore after it falls.  This will leave us with 4 BB to escort the Viza Landings.  That should be sufficient I hope.

Speaking of India, from Moppo has been cashed out 1 Hv Artillery Reg, 4th Army HQ, and 2 Engineering Reg.  They are all headed for Singapore. 




Nemo121 -> RE: Strategic Vision (1/18/2009 6:54:14 PM)

You don't have the force to overcome a single brigade at Suva? You've got 1.5 divisions backed up by KB. With a single day of concentrated airstrikes you should easily be able to overcome that Bde... Going over onto the defensive too soon would be a grave error.

BTW - doing anything JUST "for the appearance of activity" is always a bad idea. If it doesn't bring you toward the strategic situation you want to achieve at the end of December 1943 then don't do it. Doing something just to give an appearance of activity is terrible strategy on a number of counts:
1. Action not in the pursuit of your strategic objectives is wasted action.

2. You WILL sustain losses in order to create this "appearance of activity" and then when you truly need to do something you'll find yourself so attrited that you can't sustain the necessary losses.

3. Activity shows where your forces are and gifts your opponent the peace of mind of knowing where your major strategic assets are. That's a priceless gift. Unless your CVs are achieving a strategic goal your opponent should NEVER know where they are.

Really this appearance of activity is a sinkhole you would do well to avoid.

If there's no reason to be active then don't be afraid to sit back and rest and refit.




Q-Ball -> RE: Strategic Vision (1/19/2009 5:03:36 PM)

Excellent Posts gentlemen! Great ideas here. I think Nemo and Canoerebel are both right. We have to have clear objectives, though the Allies are probably looking to defend key points like Pago Pago, and will be content in the short-term if they can do that.

January 1st through 4th in the SRA

This period has been fairly uneventful, thus the infrequent update, but it will get hot in a few days! Overall, some of our offensives are running out of gas, but others are moving forward nicely.

Phillipines

We are attacking Clark tommorow with over 1400 AV, plus tanks and artillery. Despite all that, I am not optimistic. We may have a decision to make in the Phillipines, because we don't want 4 divisions tied down to a long siege of Clark. We should know more tommorow. We do have an NLF landing at Lamon Bay to cut that escape route.

Malaya

The initial "skinny" assault on Johore Bharu was repulsed; we tried a quick attack without bringing everyone up. We should be attacking in 2 days with full forces; 3 full divisions, plus 2/3 of the 16th division, and artillery. 2 Bdes of the enemy were caught north of the crossroads, and have pulled back to Kuantan, where they will be bottled up by 1/3 of the 16th Div.

Still hope to take Singapore by Jan 10th, everything hinges on the next attack at Johore.

DEI

Banjarmisan should fall tommorow. Troops are ashore at Bali, and an invasion force has sailed to secure Brunei and Miri. We will pray to the die roll gods on those Oil centers!

The Java Invasion Fleet sailed from Saigon on the 2nd; I estimate Jan 7th to be D-Day for Java. They have already spotted this large armada, so there won't be a great deal of surprise. Once the fleet clears Singkawang, they will be able to tell if it's heading to Merak or Kragen. I have paras at Kuching ready to secure the base the day before a landing, if the KNIL doesn't move into the hex. I expect an opposed landing though, because there are clusters of troops at Batavia and Madioen; no doubt they intend to fight on the beach. We should have enough to punch through though, Kragen is a clear hex with no forts, particularly if the Batavia forces don't have enough time to move south (and I don't think they will)

China

I hate China. Nevertheless, we have to fight here, so John and I have split it into two operations.

In the South, John is going to invest Wenchow. This is a smaller base, but needs to be cleaned up. It is nearly surrounded, and should be easy to starve out or conquer.

In the North, I am going to invest Yenan. I will provide an OOB at some point, but it's alot of troops. Probably not enough, though, to take it by brute force. We intend to surround and starve the base, and tanks and Cav are moving into position around it. If this is successful, we will do the same thing to the Commies in Paotow; they are immobile, and can only throw rocks at us as we cut their supplies.

If I am successful in both, we will destroy most of the Chinese Communist formations, unless Nationalist Forces intervene from the south. Of course, the idea of Nationalist Troops launching attacks to save the Communists is absurd, but hey, what can you do.

Subs

We are going to start moving those subs from the PH/San Fran corridor out to those key bases. We have only gotten one kill out there, though we have been in position a few times with no attacks. It's a waste of time until we can get some new commanders. We made our point, I want them to have to escort all their convoys out there.

The sub war has been disappointing after that first week. Other than picking off a damaged Dutch DD a couple days ago, attacks and kills have been few and far between. Then again, Allied shipping has disappeared completely from the DEI. Haven't seen anything.

Looking Ahead

After we take Java and Singapore, the rest of the SRA will be cleanup. We have taken all bases south of Java, so we will need to secure Sumatra, as well as the central Phillipines Islands. Sumatra is first because of oil. No hurry in the PI, those bases can't hurt us, and will provide good target practice.

I have been reading Castor Troy's AAR, and I think he is right in that Northern Australia is the most dangerous place for Japan; an attack from here, and the Solomons and anything else is irrelevant.

There are only 2 territorial objectives for the Allies, really: 1. Get a platform to bomb Japan (and be able to supply it), and
2. Interdict and/or destroy Oil shipments from the DEI to Japan. Everything else is really just VP grabs or supporting objectives.




2ndACR -> RE: Strategic Vision (1/19/2009 5:41:22 PM)

Make sure your fleets are on DO NOT UNLOAD until right before you make landfall at Kragen........I have had combat units dumped on Borneo as my transports end their turn in a coastal hex. Nothing worse than having your support troops land only to find all your combat troops 200 miles away starving. Keep them on DO NOT UNLOAD until they are in clear seas right off Kragen, then change them.

Funny how all your combat troops will dump in 1 turn, but try to recover them and it takes 5 turns to load them from over the beach.

North OZ is dangerous, but it does give you some time before the Allies start hitting the DEI area with land based bombers. Take it and then lightly garrison it. Large naval guards do good work here. The allies will take it back, best thing.........have some armor units ready to move around behind the allied force when they reach one of your bases.......nothing better than cutting the supply line. Keep a division and lots of airlift near Timor so you can rapidly fly in reinforcements and then evac them once the job is done.

SOPAC........I would take NZ just to be a butt.......After conquest, use naval guards to garrison. Keep a decent garrison (300AV) in Auckland and Noumea. Base Betty's and patrol a/c there and just cause trouble for Allies. Every base they have to retake, takes time and buys you that time. Betty's will force him to bring CV's and makes unescorted TF's too risky. Cuts OZ off from US.......OZ starts hurting for supplies when going to offensive ops.

But build every base captured to max forts for maximum delay time.




Q-Ball -> RE: Strategic Vision (1/19/2009 5:47:15 PM)

Good advice 2nd ACR, but those transports are all DO NOT UNLOAD. I have done exactly that too many times to count. That, plus leaving fragments behind the first place.

A good habit to get into is to ALWAYS have transports on DO NOT UNLOAD, until you are in open water, about to unload.

I was thinking that on Northern OZ; Darwin is the only semi-tough nut, everything else looks like a walkover. I think we may do this, if for no other reason than to keep up the pressure. I would like to find 1 Bde to take Darwin, though.




2ndACR -> RE: Strategic Vision (1/19/2009 6:18:03 PM)

Do not lose focus.........concentrate on India..........Do not pull allied forces north until you have to. If you can another Div to help take NZ, trust me, the pressure will be on. Do not leave any of those forces there, but pull main combat units upon conquest.

LLeave small 100AV garrisons except at Auckland, use Betty's and Zero's for main defense........I doubt the Allies will really try anything there until late 42 or early 43. They will not want to risk losing CV's.

North Oz can be a walkover........if you take NZ, well now the Allies have to spread all the forces they have to gaurd against a southern invasion also. Limits the number of forces avial for North Oz. If you take some of the outlying atolls (Canton, Suva etc) they act as trip wires for NZ. You will see the allies coming and can act accordingly.

I would take NZ, and then make my move on north OZ. If done around the same time as India or shortly after the start of that campaign, well now the Allies are really spread thin. 1 Div and 1 heavy brigade can take NZ. Supported by Bettys, a CV div and a surface force, well NZ will fall........key is to take it before any major US div's get there. 1 CV div near Noumea, 1 CV div near Truk allows you to almost cover the whiole area. Betty's out of Tarawa, Kwajalain, Wake can keep the allies honest and act as a tripwire so you have time to shift a CV div for backup. That allows you to move 1 CV div back for repairs/upgrades etc. By June 42, you should have 4 full CV div with fleet CV's and a very strong mini KB for use........mini KB stays near India/DEI, 1 CV div near Noumea/Auckland, 1 at Truk and the other moving to upgrade.......when it is ready, send to relieve another........Auckland has a repair port that can be expanded, so that allows repairs and upgrades of the southern div etc. It is a long way for supplies though, but 1 huge TF with alot of supplies can do wonders.




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