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JWE -> RE: Ship graphics (2/15/2009 4:51:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: fremen
When all stuff will be in my hands...those tiny ships will grow and grow....
Fremen (i hate scaled ships!)[:D]

I know that, God love you. It was for you, mostly, but also for Dixie and others, that we made the bitmap charts. No need for you to plod through the thousand or so bmp files to see who goes where. We wanted to make it as easy as possible for ya. [sm=00001746.gif]



Dixie -> RE: Ship graphics (2/15/2009 4:59:53 PM)

Oooh, mentioned by name [:D]  That's very decent of you to make things easier [:)]

I'm sorry if it's been mentioned already, but I can't make the search work properly and I can't find out exactly what the scale is that you chaps used for the ship art. [&:]



JWE -> RE: Ship graphics (2/15/2009 6:05:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Dixie
Oooh, mentioned by name [:D]  That's very decent of you to make things easier [:)]
I'm sorry if it's been mentioned already, but I can't make the search work properly and I can't find out exactly what the scale is that you chaps used for the ship art. [&:]

Scale factor is [(loa x .165) + 45] or so; sometimes 46, sometimes 47, depends on what the Mk-1 eyeball thinks is ok. Smaller the ships get, the more 46 and 47 we use.



Akos Gergely -> RE: Ship graphics (2/15/2009 11:20:03 PM)

Can't wait for that, you master of ship arts :D :D :D!!!

Hope you add in the camo schemes as well (although AFAIK TOMLABEL did a good job on that part already).




TOMLABEL -> RE: Ship graphics (2/16/2009 2:49:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: csatahajos

Can't wait for that, you master of ship arts :D :D :D!!!

Hope you add in the camo schemes as well (although AFAIK TOMLABEL did a good job on that part already).





A comprehensive set of USN camo schemes in conjunction with other modifications will be available after AE release as a mod/add-on developed by several folks on the AE team.

Keep the joy, csatahajos!!!![&o][:)][:D][8D][;)]


TOMLABEL



Ron Saueracker -> RE: Ship graphics (2/16/2009 2:56:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TOMLABEL

quote:

ORIGINAL: csatahajos

Can't wait for that, you master of ship arts :D :D :D!!!

Hope you add in the camo schemes as well (although AFAIK TOMLABEL did a good job on that part already).





A comprehensive set of USN camo schemes will be available after AE release as a mod/add-on developed by several folks on the AE team.

Keep the joy, csatahajos!!!![&o][:)][:D][8D][;)]


TOMLABEL


Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too cool.[8D]



Akos Gergely -> RE: Ship graphics (2/16/2009 12:27:41 PM)

Thanks so much Tom! I like this game more and more :D !

BTW I like your avatars Tom, I guess these are from around the early '40s , anyways keep them up. Would be nice to see them back on the loading screens of Witp :D (in a separate mod of course).

Cheers,



Dixie -> RE: Ship graphics (2/16/2009 12:59:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TOMLABEL

quote:

ORIGINAL: csatahajos

Can't wait for that, you master of ship arts :D :D :D!!!

Hope you add in the camo schemes as well (although AFAIK TOMLABEL did a good job on that part already).





A comprehensive set of USN camo schemes in conjunction with other modifications will be available after AE release as a mod/add-on developed by several folks on the AE team.

Keep the joy, csatahajos!!!![&o][:)][:D][8D][;)]


TOMLABEL


There is also a set of RN camo stuff in the works from unofficial sources [:D]



Apollo11 -> RE: Ship graphics (2/16/2009 1:14:01 PM)

Hi all,

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ORIGINAL: Dixie

quote:

ORIGINAL: TOMLABEL

quote:

ORIGINAL: csatahajos

Can't wait for that, you master of ship arts :D :D :D!!!

Hope you add in the camo schemes as well (although AFAIK TOMLABEL did a good job on that part already).





A comprehensive set of USN camo schemes in conjunction with other modifications will be available after AE release as a mod/add-on developed by several folks on the AE team.

Keep the joy, csatahajos!!!![&o][:)][:D][8D][;)]


TOMLABEL


There is also a set of RN camo stuff in the works from unofficial sources [:D]


Self promotion! Self promotion! Self promotion! [8D][:D]


Leo "Apollo11"



TOMLABEL -> RE: Ship graphics (2/16/2009 6:13:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Dixie


quote:

ORIGINAL: TOMLABEL

quote:

ORIGINAL: csatahajos

Can't wait for that, you master of ship arts :D :D :D!!!

Hope you add in the camo schemes as well (although AFAIK TOMLABEL did a good job on that part already).





A comprehensive set of USN camo schemes in conjunction with other modifications will be available after AE release as a mod/add-on developed by several folks on the AE team.

Keep the joy, csatahajos!!!![&o][:)][:D][8D][;)]


TOMLABEL


There is also a set of RN camo stuff in the works from unofficial sources [:D]



I'm glad you remembered!![&o][8D]



Don Bowen -> RE: Ship graphics (2/16/2009 7:10:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Dixie

There is also a set of RN camo stuff in the works from unofficial sources [:D]


Camo - oh yes, the paint job that is intended to make things hard to see. And applied to the little tiny ship icons that are already hard for my poor old eyes to see.

Camo No! See Si!





Dixie -> RE: Ship graphics (2/16/2009 7:28:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


quote:

ORIGINAL: Dixie

There is also a set of RN camo stuff in the works from unofficial sources [:D]


Camo - oh yes, the paint job that is intended to make things hard to see. And applied to the little tiny ship icons that are already hard for my poor old eyes to see.

Camo No! See Si!



I like it [:D] It's reet purty on my screen. All grey is so 1970's [:'(]

Mind if I post a few pics from my lot?



JWE -> RE: Ship graphics (2/16/2009 7:42:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Dixie
Mind if I post a few pics from my lot?

Please don't do it here. This is AE. proper place is on main forum, maybe the art sticky. Will make sure everybody follows same rules.



Dixie -> RE: Ship graphics (2/16/2009 7:46:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JWE


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ORIGINAL: Dixie
Mind if I post a few pics from my lot?

Please don't do it here. This is AE. proper place is on main forum, maybe the art sticky. Will make sure everybody follows same rules.


Which is why I asked [:)]

P.S. Is it ready yet? [:D]



RevRick -> RE: Ship graphics (2/16/2009 11:10:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


quote:

ORIGINAL: Dixie

There is also a set of RN camo stuff in the works from unofficial sources [:D]


Camo - oh yes, the paint job that is intended to make things hard to see. And applied to the little tiny ship icons that are already hard for my poor old eyes to see.

Camo No! See Si!





[sm=happy0065.gif] [sm=happy0065.gif][sm=happy0065.gif][sm=happy0065.gif]

And all of us old timers say "AMEN!" Just please make sure that none of the camo looks like the Gloire.



Dixie -> RE: Ship graphics (2/17/2009 4:17:58 PM)

Is there any chance of seeing some of the different refit options for the flush deck DDs please, or the RN D-Class light cruisers with their differing refit options?  As I remember it both of these types have variable refits available to them.



Akos Gergely -> RE: Ship graphics (2/17/2009 4:59:31 PM)

Send those camoed RN ships my way pls pls pls :D :D :D !!!

BTW since I ran Witp (though in windowed mode, so 1024X768) on a 32" LCD pixels are not that small after all :D



JWE -> RE: Ship graphics (2/17/2009 7:03:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Dixie
Is there any chance of seeing some of the different refit options for the flush deck DDs please, or the RN D-Class light cruisers with their differing refit options?  As I remember it both of these types have variable refits available to them.

"Some" of the many different refit options available for flush deck DDs.


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Dixie -> RE: Ship graphics (2/17/2009 7:17:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JWE


quote:

ORIGINAL: Dixie
Is there any chance of seeing some of the different refit options for the flush deck DDs please, or the RN D-Class light cruisers with their differing refit options?  As I remember it both of these types have variable refits available to them.

"Some" of the many different refit options available for flush deck DDs.


[image]local://upfiles/17451/F559C5FB4FD647AA994CB5AAF775A314.jpg[/image]


Cool, thankyou [:)]



Apollo11 -> RE: Ship graphics (2/17/2009 7:25:55 PM)

Hi all,

Martin you will have plenty of opportunity and possibilities to make your wonderful cammo scheme for ships in various variants! [:)]


Leo "Apollo11"



traskott -> RE: Ship graphics (2/18/2009 11:13:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Dixie

Is there any chance of seeing some of the different refit options for the flush deck DDs please, or the RN D-Class light cruisers with their differing refit options?  As I remember it both of these types have variable refits available to them.


any posibilities of discover what type of posibilities we'll be able to do with the ships ??

[8|]



Dixie -> RE: Ship graphics (2/18/2009 11:59:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL:  traskott


quote:

ORIGINAL:  Dixie

Is there any chance of seeing some of the different refit options for the flush deck DDs please, or the RN D-Class light cruisers with their differing refit options?  As I remember it both of these types have variable refits available to them.


any posibilities of discover what type of posibilities we'll be able to do with the ships ??

[8|]


As I remember there are some options for the flush deckers.  Some of them include conversion to LRE types (similar to those in the Atlantic), DMS, DM, AVD, APD and a 'normal' refit.  The RN D class cruisers can either be upgraded normally or converted to AA cruisers.  I may be wrong on some of the options for the flush deckers, but I'm sure an official source will point out if I am [:)]



traskott -> RE: Ship graphics (2/18/2009 4:15:41 PM)

Hmmmm..interesting. Thank you. 



Ron Saueracker -> RE: Ship graphics (2/19/2009 2:47:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Dixie


quote:

ORIGINAL:  traskott


quote:

ORIGINAL:  Dixie

Is there any chance of seeing some of the different refit options for the flush deck DDs please, or the RN D-Class light cruisers with their differing refit options?  As I remember it both of these types have variable refits available to them.


any posibilities of discover what type of posibilities we'll be able to do with the ships ??

[8|]


As I remember there are some options for the flush deckers.  Some of them include conversion to LRE types (similar to those in the Atlantic), DMS, DM, AVD, APD and a 'normal' refit.  The RN D class cruisers can either be upgraded normally or converted to AA cruisers.  I may be wrong on some of the options for the flush deckers, but I'm sure an official source will point out if I am [:)]


Pretty sure only HMS Delhi was rebuilt as an AA cruiser in US yards. Not convinced this is a reason to allow all D class to convert as such.



Don Bowen -> RE: Ship graphics (2/19/2009 2:59:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

Pretty sure only HMS Delhi was rebuilt as an AA cruiser in US yards. Not convinced this is a reason to allow all D class to convert as such.



Not convinced it's not, Ron. There's several things like that in the OOB. Things that really were done but did not historically serve in the pacific.

The long range 4-stacker conversions, for instance. Used only in the Atlantic but were really done and could have been done to ships in the Pacific.





Ron Saueracker -> RE: Ship graphics (2/19/2009 2:17:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

Pretty sure only HMS Delhi was rebuilt as an AA cruiser in US yards. Not convinced this is a reason to allow all D class to convert as such.



Not convinced it's not, Ron. There's several things like that in the OOB. Things that really were done but did not historically serve in the pacific.

The long range 4-stacker conversions, for instance. Used only in the Atlantic but were really done and could have been done to ships in the Pacific.





Sure, one can go either way I suppose. Especially with such numerous conversions like the 4 stackers. This sort of opens up a Pandora's box I'd imagine. If one can convert all D class to Delhi's, one can argue that the player might also be able to control the various other conversions such as Cleveland CL/Independence CVL, MC 2 Tanker/Sangamon CVE, Sumner DD/RH Smith DM, Benson DD/Ellyson DMS, maybe even Baltimore CA/Saipan CVL as the Saipans hulls were based on the Baltimore design.

And this just some of the USN conversions. The Japanese possibilities are numerous as well. Can you list which conversions are now possible, Don? This is pretty interesting.



Don Bowen -> RE: Ship graphics (2/19/2009 2:46:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

quote:

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


quote:

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

Pretty sure only HMS Delhi was rebuilt as an AA cruiser in US yards. Not convinced this is a reason to allow all D class to convert as such.



Not convinced it's not, Ron. There's several things like that in the OOB. Things that really were done but did not historically serve in the pacific.

The long range 4-stacker conversions, for instance. Used only in the Atlantic but were really done and could have been done to ships in the Pacific.





Sure, one can go either way I suppose. Especially with such numerous conversions like the 4 stackers. This sort of opens up a Pandora's box I'd imagine. If one can convert all D class to Delhi's, one can argue that the player might also be able to control the various other conversions such as Cleveland CL/Independence CVL, MC 2 Tanker/Sangamon CVE, Sumner DD/RH Smith DM, Benson DD/Ellyson DMS, maybe even Baltimore CA/Saipan CVL as the Saipans hulls were based on the Baltimore design.

And this just some of the USN conversions. The Japanese possibilities are numerous as well. Can you list which conversions are now possible, Don? This is pretty interesting.



Not me Ron. That's a long list and I'm rather occupied at the moment. Some are in stock, for the test there's the editor.





JWE -> RE: Ship graphics (2/19/2009 3:36:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
And this just some of the USN conversions. The Japanese possibilities are numerous as well. Can you list which conversions are now possible, Don? This is pretty interesting.

Can’t do a full list till release, but generally – only a few Allied warships get to convert, mostly Clemson/Wickes and they go to APD, AVD, DM, DMS that sort of stuff. Most conversions are between/among auxiliary types and only like-to-like (C2 to C2, C2-S to C2-S). Bird/Lapwing can play between AM and AVP, some late war sub classes can convert to gunboat types, ACMs and YMSs are convertible, stuff like that. Same for Japan, like-to-like only.

As for D Class, there is a Delhi in the class db, but since it never got to Pac, no ship points to it. Just your everyday, run-of-the-mill D types; Danae, Dragon, Durban, Dauntless. All get withdrawn eventually.

We tried to keep things as real as possible, while still maintaining flexibility, in the release version. However, there are lots of nifty classes in the database that modders “can” access easily, if someone wants more “what if”.



RevRick -> RE: Ship graphics (2/19/2009 3:56:34 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


quote:

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

Pretty sure only HMS Delhi was rebuilt as an AA cruiser in US yards. Not convinced this is a reason to allow all D class to convert as such.



Not convinced it's not, Ron. There's several things like that in the OOB. Things that really were done but did not historically serve in the pacific.

The long range 4-stacker conversions, for instance. Used only in the Atlantic but were really done and could have been done to ships in the Pacific.





This particular iteration of the four-stacker has intrigued me ever since I saw it in a 40 year old book, almost 40 years ago. Those old timers were very rarely capable of anything near 30 kts to begin with, being nearly worn to a frazzle, and didn't need that 'extra' boiler eating up fuel for no extra speed. As an escort, they would be at the very least a mild hindrance to I-boats turned loose on the convoy lanes. Combined with a Sangamon, they would be capable of doing some really good work between San Fran and Sydney/Brisbane, specially if AP types are involved. Hope the old girls are divided up into classes, because there are at least two distinctly different ranges of range between the builders.



Ron Saueracker -> RE: Ship graphics (2/19/2009 4:53:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RevRick


quote:

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


quote:

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

Pretty sure only HMS Delhi was rebuilt as an AA cruiser in US yards. Not convinced this is a reason to allow all D class to convert as such.



Not convinced it's not, Ron. There's several things like that in the OOB. Things that really were done but did not historically serve in the pacific.

The long range 4-stacker conversions, for instance. Used only in the Atlantic but were really done and could have been done to ships in the Pacific.





This particular iteration of the four-stacker has intrigued me ever since I saw it in a 40 year old book, almost 40 years ago. Those old timers were very rarely capable of anything near 30 kts to begin with, being nearly worn to a frazzle, and didn't need that 'extra' boiler eating up fuel for no extra speed. As an escort, they would be at the very least a mild hindrance to I-boats turned loose on the convoy lanes. Combined with a Sangamon, they would be capable of doing some really good work between San Fran and Sydney/Brisbane, specially if AP types are involved. Hope the old girls are divided up into classes, because there are at least two distinctly different ranges of range between the builders.


Pretty sure the various class distinctions have been made, as Don did the 4 pipers in CHS so long ago.



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