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sajbalk -> RE: Partisans (3/30/2009 10:15:46 PM)
Are you sure about the language, Orm? My rules say, "If an unconquered country was neutral at any time in the calendar year, halve its partisan number." This is from 13.1 Partisans (option 46), 6th para, last sentence.

sajbalk -> RE: Partisans (3/30/2009 10:20:44 PM)
From the list of allied countries, I would note that for WiFFE purposes: 1. Albania starts as an Italian minor and is given the same active date as its controlling major power. 2. Ethiopia is a conquered country at start. 3. Iraq is conquered, I think by the allies before it DOWed the Axis. 4. Same for Persia.

Orm -> RE: Partisans (3/30/2009 11:24:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sajbalk Are you sure about the language, Orm? My rules say, "If an unconquered country was neutral at any time in the calendar year, halve its partisan number." This is from 13.1 Partisans (option 46), 6th para, last sentence. You are correct and I was mistaken. The rule apparently changed with the latest rulebook. I tend to prefer to use the rulebook in pdf-format and I forgot that I do not have the latest rulebook in pdf so I looke the rule up in a obsolete version of the rules. I am sorry about that. Does anyone know if I can find the latest version of the rules in pdf format somewhere?

Froonp -> RE: Partisans (3/30/2009 11:43:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Orm quote: ORIGINAL: sajbalk Are you sure about the language, Orm? My rules say, "If an unconquered country was neutral at any time in the calendar year, halve its partisan number." This is from 13.1 Partisans (option 46), 6th para, last sentence. You are correct and I was mistaken. The rule apparently changed with the latest rulebook. I tend to prefer to use the rulebook in pdf-format and I forgot that I do not have the latest rulebook in pdf so I looke the rule up in a obsolete version of the rules. I am sorry about that. Does anyone know if I can find the latest version of the rules in pdf format somewhere? Word format (good enough) at ADG's. http://www.a-d-g.com.au/download/WiF-RaW-7-aug-04.doc

Froonp -> RE: Partisans (3/30/2009 11:52:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets I guess the easiest way to do this is to add a field to the country data for the date that the country entered the war. Then I can use the scenario start date to work out whether they have been at war since the beginning of the scenario start date's calendar year. Finally, we don't have to worry about those countries on the list that have a partisan number of 0 in the existing country data files. Here are the countries that MWiF can have Partisans, and who controls it in case it is not independent : Argentina Australia Belgium Bolivia Brazil British Guyana Commonwealth British Honduras Commonwealth Bulgaria Burma Commonwealth Canada Chile China Colombia Costa Rica Cuba Dominican Republic Dutch Guyana Netherlands Ecuador El Salvador Finland France French Guyana France French Indo-China France Greece Guatemala Haiti Honduras Hungary India Iraq Ireland Italy Japan Korea Japan Malaya Commonwealth Manchuria Japan Mexico Netherlands East Indies Netherlands Netherlands Nicaragua Norway Panama Paraguay Persia Peru Philippines United States Poland Rumania Saudi Arabia Siam Siberia USSR South Africa Spain Sweden Turkey Ukraine USSR United Kingdom Uruguay United States USSR Venezuela Yugoslavia

Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Partisans (3/31/2009 1:45:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Froonp quote: ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets I guess the easiest way to do this is to add a field to the country data for the date that the country entered the war. Then I can use the scenario start date to work out whether they have been at war since the beginning of the scenario start date's calendar year. Finally, we don't have to worry about those countries on the list that have a partisan number of 0 in the existing country data files. Here are the countries that MWiF can have Partisans, and who controls it in case it is not independent : Argentina Australia Belgium Bolivia Brazil British Guyana Commonwealth British Honduras Commonwealth Bulgaria Burma Commonwealth Canada Chile China Colombia Costa Rica Cuba Dominican Republic Dutch Guyana Netherlands Ecuador El Salvador Finland France French Guyana France French Indo-China France Greece Guatemala Haiti Honduras Hungary India Iraq Ireland Italy Japan Korea Japan Malaya Commonwealth Manchuria Japan Mexico Netherlands East Indies Netherlands Netherlands Nicaragua Norway Panama Paraguay Persia Peru Philippines United States Poland Rumania Saudi Arabia Siam Siberia USSR South Africa Spain Sweden Turkey Ukraine USSR United Kingdom Uruguay United States USSR Venezuela Yugoslavia Thanks. Then the task is to provide an historical entry date into the war for each of these countries.

mlees -> RE: Partisans (4/1/2009 9:29:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets Thanks. Then the task is to provide an historical entry date into the war for each of these countries. I'll bite. Info obtained from Wikipedia only: Argentina - 27 March 1945 (DOW on Axis) Australia - 3 September 1939 (DOW on Germany) Belgium - 10 May 1940 (German DOW on Belgium) Bolivia - 7 April 1943 (DOW on germany) Brazil - 22 August 1942 (DOW on Germany & Itlay) British Guyana Commonwealth - Remained colony of Great Britain until 1966 British Honduras Commonwealth - 8 December 1941 (DoW on Japan), 13 December 1941 (DOW on Germany) Bulgaria - 13 December 1941 (official DOW on UK & US) Burma Commonwealth - Remained colony of Great Britain until 1948 Canada - 10 September 1939 (DOW on Germany) Chile - 1945 (DOW on Japan) China - 7 July 1937 (Marco polo bridge incident, leading to IJA invasion by end of month) Colombia - 26 November 1943 ("Status of Belligerency" on Germany) Costa Rica - 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan, with DOW on Germany & Italy a "few days later") Cuba - 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan), 11 December 1941 (DOW on Germany & Italy) Dominican Republic - December 1941 (DOW on Axis) Dutch Guyana Netherlands - Remained Colony of Netherlands until 1954 (limited self gov), fully independent 1975. Ecuador - 1 February, 1945 (DOW on Germany) El Salvador - 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan), 12 December 1941 (DOW on Germany) Finland - eh... Winter War vs USSR (USSR attacks Nov 1939), Continuation War 25 June 1941 (DOW on USSR), Allied member 15 Sep 1944 France - 3 September 1939 French Guyana - Colony of France French Indo-China France - Colony of France, gained independence 1954 Greece - 28 October 1940 (Italian DOW on Greece) Guatemala - 9 December 1941 (DOW on Japan), 12 December 1941 (DOW on Germany & Itlay) Haiti - 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan, with DOW on Germany & Italy a "few days later") Honduras - 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan), 13 December 1941 (DOW on Germany & Italy) Hungary - June 1941 (DOW on USSR) India - Colony of Great Britain, gained independence in 1947 Iraq - Officialy nuetral until DOW on the axis in 1942, although occupied by Allied troops in 1941. Ireland - Although officially a member of the Commonwealth, Ireleand remained Nuetral. Italy - 10 June 1940 (DOW on France & UK) Japan - 7 July 1937 (limited war w/China), 7 December 1941 (DOW on US & UK) Korea Japan - Colony of Japan until 1945 (surrender of Japan) Malaya Commonwealth - Colony of Great Britain until 1946 Manchuria Japan - Effectively a colony of Japan until 1945. (Head of army was also the Japanese ambassador.) Mexico - 22 May 1942 (DOW on Axis) Netherlands East Indies Netherlands - Colony of Netherlands until gaining independence in 1949 Netherlands - 10 May 1940 (German DOW on Netherlands) Nicaragua - 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan), 11 December 1941 (DOW on Germany) Norway - 9 April 1949 (German DOW on Norway) Panama - (Non canal zone) No mention of involvment in WW2 in Wikipedia. Paraguay - 8 February, 1945 (DOW on Germany) Persia - (Iran) Occupied by UK & USSR troops in August of 1941, DOW on Germany in September of 1943. Peru - 12 February, 1945 (DOW on Germany) Philippines United States - effectively a colony of the US until 1946 Poland - 1 September 1939 (German DOW on Poland) Rumania - 22 June 1941 (DOW on USSR) Saudi Arabia - 28 February 1945 (DOW on Germany & Japan) Siam - 25 January 1942 (DOW on US & UK) Siberia USSR - Part of USSR home country South Africa - 6 September 1939 (DOW on Germany) Spain - Remained officially Neutral Sweden - Remained officially Neutral Turkey - 25 February, 1945 (DOW on Germnay) Ukraine USSR - Part of the USSR home country United Kingdom - 3 September 1939 (DOW on Germany) Uruguay - 15 February 1945 (DOW on Germany) United States - 7 December 1941 (Japanese DOW on US), 11 December 1941 (German & Italian DOW on US) USSR - Polish Partition (17 September 1939), Winter War (Vs. Finland Nov 1939), Occupies Baltic States (Aug 1940), 22 June 1941 (German DOW on USSR), 8 August 1945 (DOW on Japan) Venezuela - 1945 (DOW on Axis) Yugoslavia - 6 April 1941 (German & Italian DOW on Yugoslavia) I apologise for any mistakes that may be found here.

mlees -> RE: Partisans (4/1/2009 9:47:45 PM)
I was curious why a neutral sweden got a Partisan number, and Switzerland did not. Would there be a point to advocating a Partisan presence possibility for the Swiss?

Froonp -> RE: Partisans (4/1/2009 10:39:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mlees I was curious why a neutral sweden got a Partisan number, and Switzerland did not. Would there be a point to advocating a Partisan presence possibility for the Swiss? MWiF have a partisan number for Switzerland, but there is a 0% chance of Switzerland being picked for Partisan activity. This said, if there were PART in Switzerland, they would be rather pointless, as there is no resource nor red factory, nor crutial railway to block with a PART, and with just 1 unit in the country no PART could appear (no room, nearly).

Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Partisans (4/1/2009 10:49:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mlees quote: ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets Thanks. Then the task is to provide an historical entry date into the war for each of these countries. I'll bite. Info obtained from Wikipedia only: Argentina - 27 March 1945 (DOW on Axis) Australia - 3 September 1939 (DOW on Germany) Belgium - 10 May 1940 (German DOW on Belgium) Bolivia - 7 April 1943 (DOW on germany) Brazil - 22 August 1942 (DOW on Germany & Itlay) British Guyana Commonwealth - Remained colony of Great Britain until 1966 British Honduras Commonwealth - 8 December 1941 (DoW on Japan), 13 December 1941 (DOW on Germany) Bulgaria - 13 December 1941 (official DOW on UK & US) Burma Commonwealth - Remained colony of Great Britain until 1948 Canada - 10 September 1939 (DOW on Germany) Chile - 1945 (DOW on Japan) China - 7 July 1937 (Marco polo bridge incident, leading to IJA invasion by end of month) Colombia - 26 November 1943 ("Status of Belligerency" on Germany) Costa Rica - 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan, with DOW on Germany & Italy a "few days later") Cuba - 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan), 11 December 1941 (DOW on Germany & Italy) Dominican Republic - December 1941 (DOW on Axis) Dutch Guyana Netherlands - Remained Colony of Netherlands until 1954 (limited self gov), fully independent 1975. Ecuador - 1 February, 1945 (DOW on Germany) El Salvador - 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan), 12 December 1941 (DOW on Germany) Finland - eh... Winter War vs USSR (USSR attacks Nov 1939), Continuation War 25 June 1941 (DOW on USSR), Allied member 15 Sep 1944 France - 3 September 1939 French Guyana - Colony of France French Indo-China France - Colony of France, gained independence 1954 Greece - 28 October 1940 (Italian DOW on Greece) Guatemala - 9 December 1941 (DOW on Japan), 12 December 1941 (DOW on Germany & Itlay) Haiti - 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan, with DOW on Germany & Italy a "few days later") Honduras - 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan), 13 December 1941 (DOW on Germany & Italy) Hungary - June 1941 (DOW on USSR) India - Colony of Great Britain, gained independence in 1947 Iraq - Officialy nuetral until DOW on the axis in 1942, although occupied by Allied troops in 1941. Ireland - Although officially a member of the Commonwealth, Ireleand remained Nuetral. Italy - 10 June 1940 (DOW on France & UK) Japan - 7 July 1937 (limited war w/China), 7 December 1941 (DOW on US & UK) Korea Japan - Colony of Japan until 1945 (surrender of Japan) Malaya Commonwealth - Colony of Great Britain until 1946 Manchuria Japan - Effectively a colony of Japan until 1945. (Head of army was also the Japanese ambassador.) Mexico - 22 May 1942 (DOW on Axis) Netherlands East Indies Netherlands - Colony of Netherlands until gaining independence in 1949 Netherlands - 10 May 1940 (German DOW on Netherlands) Nicaragua - 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan), 11 December 1941 (DOW on Germany) Norway - 9 April 1949 (German DOW on Norway) Panama - (Non canal zone) No mention of involvment in WW2 in Wikipedia. Paraguay - 8 February, 1945 (DOW on Germany) Persia - (Iran) Occupied by UK & USSR troops in August of 1941, DOW on Germany in September of 1943. Peru - 12 February, 1945 (DOW on Germany) Philippines United States - effectively a colony of the US until 1946 Poland - 1 September 1939 (German DOW on Poland) Rumania - 22 June 1941 (DOW on USSR) Saudi Arabia - 28 February 1945 (DOW on Germany & Japan) Siam - 25 January 1942 (DOW on US & UK) Siberia USSR - Part of USSR home country South Africa - 6 September 1939 (DOW on Germany) Spain - Remained officially Neutral Sweden - Remained officially Neutral Turkey - 25 February, 1945 (DOW on Germnay) Ukraine USSR - Part of the USSR home country United Kingdom - 3 September 1939 (DOW on Germany) Uruguay - 15 February 1945 (DOW on Germany) United States - 7 December 1941 (Japanese DOW on US), 11 December 1941 (German & Italian DOW on US) USSR - Polish Partition (17 September 1939), Winter War (Vs. Finland Nov 1939), Occupies Baltic States (Aug 1940), 22 June 1941 (German DOW on USSR), 8 August 1945 (DOW on Japan) Venezuela - 1945 (DOW on Axis) Yugoslavia - 6 April 1941 (German & Italian DOW on Yugoslavia) I apologise for any mistakes that may be found here. All 62 countries that we need! Excellent. Thank you very much. [&o][&o][&o] The only part of the date I need is the year to implement the partisan rules. So if you got that right, we're in business.

mlees -> RE: Partisans (4/1/2009 10:50:41 PM)
Ok. It was just an idle thought as I looked over the list I filled in above. I don't have my WiF maps out, and I couldn't recall what Switzerland looked like. (Rail lines, factories, resources.) I know the Swiss rarely (if ever) get attacked.

Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Partisans (4/2/2009 12:09:28 AM)
MLees, After reading through your list: There's a typo for Norway: 1940, not 1949. We are still missing a date for Panama. Steve

paulderynck -> RE: Partisans (4/2/2009 3:21:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets quote: ORIGINAL: Froonp quote: ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets I guess the easiest way to do this is to add a field to the country data for the date that the country entered the war. Then I can use the scenario start date to work out whether they have been at war since the beginning of the scenario start date's calendar year. Finally, we don't have to worry about those countries on the list that have a partisan number of 0 in the existing country data files. Here are the countries that MWiF can have Partisans, and who controls it in case it is not independent : Argentina Australia Belgium Bolivia Brazil British Guyana Commonwealth British Honduras Commonwealth Bulgaria Burma Commonwealth Canada Chile China Colombia Costa Rica Cuba Dominican Republic Dutch Guyana Netherlands Ecuador El Salvador Finland France French Guyana France French Indo-China France Greece Guatemala Haiti Honduras Hungary India Iraq Ireland Italy Japan Korea Japan Malaya Commonwealth Manchuria Japan Mexico Netherlands East Indies Netherlands Netherlands Nicaragua Norway Panama Paraguay Persia Peru Philippines United States Poland Rumania Saudi Arabia Siam Siberia USSR South Africa Spain Sweden Turkey Ukraine USSR United Kingdom Uruguay United States USSR Venezuela Yugoslavia Thanks. Then the task is to provide an historical entry date into the war for each of these countries. Why is the historical date important?

Froonp -> RE: Partisans (4/2/2009 5:37:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: paulderynck Why is the historical date important? So that the game know at the beginning of any scenario which countries have the full PART number or half PART number for being neutral sometime during the calendar year.

Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Partisans (4/2/2009 7:44:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Froonp quote: ORIGINAL: paulderynck Why is the historical date important? So that the game know at the beginning of any scenario which countries have the full PART number or half PART number for being neutral sometime during the calendar year. Yes. I'll add a new field to the country data for this (later this week).

Froonp -> RE: Partisans (4/2/2009 8:01:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets I'll add a new field to the country data for this (later this week). I can fill in the data files with the data if you need.

Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Partisans (4/2/2009 8:21:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Froonp quote: ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets I'll add a new field to the country data for this (later this week). I can fill in the data files with the data if you need. Thanks.[&o] I figure out the details tomorrow. Right now I am finishing up the monthly status report.

mlees -> RE: Partisans (4/2/2009 6:10:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets MLees, After reading through your list: There's a typo for Norway: 1940, not 1949. We are still missing a date for Panama. Steve Sorry, I had to go to another online source of info. http://worldatwar.net/timeline/other/diplomacy39-45.html For Panama: 7 December 1941 (DOW on Japan), 12 December 1941 (DOW on Germany) Sorry for the typo's, too.

mlees -> RE: Partisans (4/2/2009 6:13:25 PM)
Edit: adding hard dates missing in list above based on new source linked in post 48. Venezuela: 15 February 1945 (DOW on Germany & Japan) Chile: 11 April 1945 (DOW on Japan) Dominican Republic: 8 December 1941 (DOW on Japan), 11 December 1941 (DOW on Germany & Italy) Hungary: 27 June 1941 (DOW on USSR) Iraq: Official DOW on Germany, Italy, & Japan on 17 January 1943. Persia (Iran): Official Dow on Germany 9 September 1943, 28 February 1945 for DOW on Japan.

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