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Historical the US lost 50+ subs during the war spread evenly through out it duration.

The number and effectiveness of US subs increased markedly towards the end of 1943 to such and extent that the Japaesed lost 5,0000,000+ tons of shipping in total to US subs and for one period during 1944 were sinking 50 ish ships per week.

In the game the best Jap a/c is the Liz but this isn't available in Stock. Use you a/c to find them and PC to sink them.

while Allied subs can be a real pain in the game, the usual outcome in a PBEM is the subs being far more impotent than they were in real life.

That might be because in real life, most of the pre-war skippers were replaced for not being agressive. How many players really take the effort to change out every skipper, and how many just leave the timid ones in place? [&:]

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Historical the US lost 50+ subs during the war spread evenly through out it duration.

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seeing recon planes attacking subs always makes me laugh
(and doubt the capability of the pilot...)


*Pilot fires flare gun at sub*



supposed a betty/ nell would fly extended range, not carrying torps that would be a situation where you might score a hit,
but thats a lot of work to go trough for some sub drifting along hundreds of miles out of the coast..

nothing to do with extended range. All torp carrying aircraft carry (should carry) bombs when being on nav search. But that doesn´t work for IJN 2e bombers in my WITP version.

You are correct about the recon planes, that´s just odd...

At least some recon planes have bomb(s) in their loadout.

depends on the mod probably. Never played a mod that had armed recons in and stock definetely hasn´t. At least not for the Japanese and I´m not aware of a bomb armed Allied recon either in stock. [&:]

i thought some of the Dutch recon planes had a bomb, but i'll check...

EDIT: when i get home in about 9 hours... [>:]

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seeing recon planes attacking subs always makes me laugh
(and doubt the capability of the pilot...)


*Pilot fires flare gun at sub*



supposed a betty/ nell would fly extended range, not carrying torps that would be a situation where you might score a hit,
but thats a lot of work to go trough for some sub drifting along hundreds of miles out of the coast..

nothing to do with extended range. All torp carrying aircraft carry (should carry) bombs when being on nav search. But that doesn´t work for IJN 2e bombers in my WITP version.

You are correct about the recon planes, that´s just odd...

At least some recon planes have bomb(s) in their loadout.

depends on the mod probably. Never played a mod that had armed recons in and stock definetely hasn´t. At least not for the Japanese and I´m not aware of a bomb armed Allied recon either in stock. [&:]

Oh no, there was definitely a recon plane for IJ that had a bombing capability. I know this as fact because for my very limited playtime (I only play stock), early on I had a group of these planes and they were the terror of subs. They by far outperformed other IJ planes in hitting subs. The problem was their payload was slight, so they would probably never sink anything, but you would assume they were at least damaging them. I think there is only 1-2 groups of that plane the entire game. I can't remember what they were called. One of them starts on the east China coast somewhere.

In stock, the Ki-36 Ida is a recon equipped with 5x30 Gp bombs. There are two units: 6th Rec.Sentai in Tientsin, and 74th Rec.Chutai in Takao. I've never used them for ASW, so I don't know how effective they would be in that role.
Hope this helps.

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seeing recon planes attacking subs always makes me laugh
(and doubt the capability of the pilot...)


*Pilot fires flare gun at sub*



supposed a betty/ nell would fly extended range, not carrying torps that would be a situation where you might score a hit,
but thats a lot of work to go trough for some sub drifting along hundreds of miles out of the coast..

nothing to do with extended range. All torp carrying aircraft carry (should carry) bombs when being on nav search. But that doesn´t work for IJN 2e bombers in my WITP version.

You are correct about the recon planes, that´s just odd...

At least some recon planes have bomb(s) in their loadout.

depends on the mod probably. Never played a mod that had armed recons in and stock definetely hasn´t. At least not for the Japanese and I´m not aware of a bomb armed Allied recon either in stock. [&:]

Oh no, there was definitely a recon plane for IJ that had a bombing capability. I know this as fact because for my very limited playtime (I only play stock), early on I had a group of these planes and they were the terror of subs. They by far outperformed other IJ planes in hitting subs. The problem was their payload was slight, so they would probably never sink anything, but you would assume they were at least damaging them. I think there is only 1-2 groups of that plane the entire game. I can't remember what they were called. One of them starts on the east China coast somewhere.

In stock, the Ki-36 Ida is a recon equipped with 5x30 Gp bombs. There are two units: 6th Rec.Sentai in Tientsin, and 74th Rec.Chutai in Takao. I've never used them for ASW, so I don't know how effective they would be in that role.
Hope this helps.

Great, yup, that's the one. I could only recollect that it was a short lady's name.

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seeing recon planes attacking subs always makes me laugh
(and doubt the capability of the pilot...)


*Pilot fires flare gun at sub*



supposed a betty/ nell would fly extended range, not carrying torps that would be a situation where you might score a hit,
but thats a lot of work to go trough for some sub drifting along hundreds of miles out of the coast..

nothing to do with extended range. All torp carrying aircraft carry (should carry) bombs when being on nav search. But that doesn´t work for IJN 2e bombers in my WITP version.

You are correct about the recon planes, that´s just odd...

At least some recon planes have bomb(s) in their loadout.

depends on the mod probably. Never played a mod that had armed recons in and stock definetely hasn´t. At least not for the Japanese and I´m not aware of a bomb armed Allied recon either in stock. [&:]

Oh no, there was definitely a recon plane for IJ that had a bombing capability. I know this as fact because for my very limited playtime (I only play stock), early on I had a group of these planes and they were the terror of subs. They by far outperformed other IJ planes in hitting subs. The problem was their payload was slight, so they would probably never sink anything, but you would assume they were at least damaging them. I think there is only 1-2 groups of that plane the entire game. I can't remember what they were called. One of them starts on the east China coast somewhere.

In stock, the Ki-36 Ida is a recon equipped with 5x30 Gp bombs. There are two units: 6th Rec.Sentai in Tientsin, and 74th Rec.Chutai in Takao. I've never used them for ASW, so I don't know how effective they would be in that role.
Hope this helps.

Great, yup, that's the one. I could only recollect that it was a short lady's name.

How do you know she was a short lady?
(barummm-pummmm)

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I usually replace the sub skippers with more aggressive one's, but I stumbled across an interesting technique to increase a sub crew's experience. I forgot to replace a really horrible sub skipper once and sent the sub out with him, at least twice before I caught it. The sub got peppered so many times from asw that the crew's experience shot up to well over 60. Now I've replaced the captain and the sub's doing pretty good...I keep a special eye on it...my little pet project. How's that for a bass ackwards method of training

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BTW, IJN level bombers set to Nav Search or ASW do not score hits. Ever. You will see them attack, but not hit anything.

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I usually replace the sub skippers with more aggressive one's, but I stumbled across an interesting technique to increase a sub crew's experience. I forgot to replace a really horrible sub skipper once and sent the sub out with him, at least twice before I caught it. The sub got peppered so many times from asw that the crew's experience shot up to well over 60. Now I've replaced the captain and the sub's doing pretty good...I keep a special eye on it...my little pet project. How's that for a bass ackwards method of training

Seems the commander wasn't so bad after all. Maybe a typo in his CV...[:D]

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BTW, IJN level bombers set to Nav Search or ASW do not score hits. Ever. You will see them attack, but not hit anything.

From yesterday's turn:

Ki-49 Helen attacking Finback at 45,53
Finback is reported HIT

I suppose that because the Helen is an IJA level bomber, your statement might hold true...

EDIT: I see that the problem with IJA LBs is that the game loads them with torpedoes, reducing their chances to hit a sub. It's strange that our DDs can torp a sub, but not the LBs...

Just another problem with the "all torpedoes, all the time" model of IJN LBs!