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Don Bowen -> RE: MANUAL Question- Jap Sub Doctrine Option (7/19/2009 3:49:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CaptDave

Looks like the main question has been answered, which pleases me as it was one of mine, as well.  I'm very glad, though, to see that the number of torpedoes fired is included now in the combat reports -- I can quit worrying about having to watch the combat animations to get that information!


We may have to change the message to something like: "A submarine encountered an enemy TF and either attacked an un-escorted, un-armed ship or engaged an un-escorted but armed ship (which may or may not have ASW capability and may or may not have been able to fire some weapon at the sub) or was engaged by escort and perhaps prevented from attacking but was not subjected to a depth charge attack". Might have to shorten that a bit.



Nomad -> RE: MANUAL Question- Jap Sub Doctrine Option (7/19/2009 4:31:55 PM)

Another possibility is that the ship was unescorted and the sub attacked on the surface. Then if the transport has any guns at all it can fire at the sub, so you should then get an attacking message.



Don Bowen -> RE: MANUAL Question- Jap Sub Doctrine Option (7/19/2009 4:50:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nomad

Another possibility is that the ship was unescorted and the sub attacked on the surface. Then if the transport has any guns at all it can fire at the sub, so you should then get an attacking message.


There's actually a separate message if the sub attacks on the surface. Down in the combat report itself.



bradfordkay -> RE: MANUAL Question- Jap Sub Doctrine Option (7/19/2009 5:48:52 PM)

Don, what about going back to the combat report: "Sub combat at xx,yy"??? 



Shark7 -> RE: MANUAL Question- Jap Sub Doctrine Option (7/19/2009 5:51:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nomad

Another possibility is that the ship was unescorted and the sub attacked on the surface. Then if the transport has any guns at all it can fire at the sub, so you should then get an attacking message.


I actually had a sub mortally wounded by a merchant ship that got off a lucky shot when the sub surfaced to use guns. The sub sank on the way back to Truk a few days later.



Don Bowen -> RE: MANUAL Question- Jap Sub Doctrine Option (7/19/2009 6:01:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

Don, what about going back to the combat report: "Sub combat at xx,yy"??? 


It stock WITP there were two messages: Sub attack ... and ASW attack .... Which you got depended on whether or not the escort detected the submarine first or the other way around. Most attacks on subs were indeed depth charge attacks by escorts.

In AE we noticed some occurrences of subs attacking on the surface, being detected by escort or armed target, and generating the "ASW attack" message. Not right, so we put in a quick check and generated the "Sub under attack" message if it was not submerged OR WAS ENGAGED BY AN ARMED TARGET. The last was not right either, and generates the "Sub under attack" message when a sub is attacking an armed target but is doing it while submerged.

It's too late to make any real changes, and if we can slip in anything it will be a simple text change to remove the work "under".

Can come back and look at this in a patch, but it really is just a heading line for the sub combat report. The meat is in the report itself.




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