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11.4.4    Naval movement restrictions
1.     You can’t move naval units between Kiel and the North Sea if an enemy major power controls any of the hexes adjacent to the Kiel Canal.
2.     You can’t move naval units between the Eastern Mediterranean and the Red Sea, or between Suez and the Eastern Mediterranean, if a major power you are at war with controls any of the hexes adjacent to the Suez Canal.
3.     You can’t move naval units between the Eastern Mediterranean and the Black Sea (even via Panderma) unless Istanbul is friendly controlled.
4.     You can’t move naval units between the Baltic Sea and the North Sea (even via Fredrikshavn or Kristiansand) if major powers you are at war with control at least 2 of Oslo, Copenhagen and Kiel.

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ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Then, how do you understand this?:

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11.4.4    Naval movement restrictions
1.     You can’t move naval units between Kiel and the North Sea if an enemy major power controls any of the hexes adjacent to the Kiel Canal.
2.     You can’t move naval units between the Eastern Mediterranean and the Red Sea, or between Suez and the Eastern Mediterranean, if a major power you are at war with controls any of the hexes adjacent to the Suez Canal.
3.     You can’t move naval units between the Eastern Mediterranean and the Black Sea (even via Panderma) unless Istanbul is friendly controlled.
4.     You can’t move naval units between the Baltic Sea and the North Sea (even via Fredrikshavn or Kristiansand) if major powers you are at war with control at least 2 of Oslo, Copenhagen and Kiel.

I believe that simply if the mentioned cities are controlled by the germans & their aligned, you cannot cross any way to the Baltic by sea, neither directly nor through Frederickshaven. And I don't think it is allowed to leave a ship in the port coming from the North sea and then exit to Baltic the next turn. It would be a prohibition similar to Gibraltar, with the only difference that the port is friendly in this case.

So, the Navals can do a good job but the ships no, unless they were in the Baltic prior to the taking of Copenhagen by the germans, and if ever the british left Frederickshaven they would be doomed, because they would be unable to rebase to a friendly port.

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ORIGINAL: Joseignacio
Then, how do you understand this?:

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11.4.4    Naval movement restrictions
1.     You can’t move naval units between Kiel and the North Sea if an enemy major power controls any of the hexes adjacent to the Kiel Canal.
2.     You can’t move naval units between the Eastern Mediterranean and the Red Sea, or between Suez and the Eastern Mediterranean, if a major power you are at war with controls any of the hexes adjacent to the Suez Canal.
3.     You can’t move naval units between the Eastern Mediterranean and the Black Sea (even via Panderma) unless Istanbul is friendly controlled.
4.     You can’t move naval units between the Baltic Sea and the North Sea (even via Fredrikshavn or Kristiansand) if major powers you are at war with control at least 2 of Oslo, Copenhagen and Kiel.

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ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14

Well, its 3 resources, and in 1939/40 that's 2.25/3? BP's. I'm ok with losing those BP's in S/O'39 if I get continuous good weather(I tend to go two thirds Fall Gelb...so WAllies are under pressure immediately if the weather opportunity is there). If the weather turns worse than rain, the Kreigsmarine can take a naval and sail out(4, 1 and zero boxes) into the Baltic with cp's...so its unlikely the WAllies can do much unless they want to risk losing too many assets when the Baltic closes. N/D'39, and J/F'40 weather is expected to be very bad at some point during the turn, if not, then good for me in Belgium/France and I'll be ok with losing the BP's if the WAllies overcome my convoy protection. I expect to get those BP's N/D'39/J/F'40 since there should be bad weather and the Kriegsmarine is more powerful than anything the WAllies can throw at it in the Baltic. In M/A'40 there is also a likelyhood of bad weather at some point, if not then I keep making gains on the main front and happily lose the BP's(if the WAllies overcome the convoy protection) in exchange of an entire turns worth of fair or rain weather. Remember, every turn I send out SCS's into the Baltic I am sending them to the 4 box, 1 box, and zero box...at the end of each turn during the end of turn re-base...the 4 box assets move to the 3 box, the 1 box moves to the zero box(for next turn cp protection), and the zero box SCS's go home. I will also hold back a crappy 3pt FTR that can react into the zero box if weather permits. My style Fall Gelb is meant to keep Germany on a M/J(no later than J/A) scheduled capture of Paris. If turn ends, initiatives, and weather rolls really continually screw me, then S/O'40. With average luck, I expect to take out France by the end of M/J'40. At that point I am free to take a naval action. If France survives, then I keep taking the BP hit if the WAllies can deal with the Kreigsmarine...either way, the WAllies are also losing naval assets to combat actions in the Baltic. After France falls I crush anything in Fredrickshaven, and the WAllies better not have anything in the Baltic or it dies at end turn. If they want to send NAV's and FTR's, then those are fewer FTR's I need to deal with in France. France is the primary objective, not the 2.25/3BP's. Of course BP's are VERY important in this game, but sometimes players lose sight of more important issues such as: 1. Time, and 2. Strategic positions/objectives.

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ORIGINAL: ItBurns

Ok, another noob question - why can't the Swedish resources cross the strait from Malmo to Copenhagen? Even if playing with limited supply across straits all you would need to do is fly a Nav out.

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

when the enemy is reacting to your moves, that is in itself a small victory. I would gladly risk a couple UK MIL and perhaps an "R" class BB or two for several German CPs and any of the excellent German SCS you can damage, when they will most likely never be repaired, particularly if you have had some luck hunting for the ore convoys. If you are fighting them in the Baltic, they can't be out raiding in the Atlantic. I wouldn't burn through too many CW assets to do this though, but there is more to it than just the BP calculations, and I think it is worth some small risks. Playing with or without Defensive Shore Bombardment is an important part of the decision too. As the Germans, I just simply don't give the CW this option without them tangling with a powerful corps in Frederikshavn.

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ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Thanks both of you. Could never have imagined.

I understood well that ships based in Brest can cross to any of both seas? And Italian ships can cross through friendly Tanger to Cape St. Vincent? [X(] It looks to me like an Exploit.

In this case (beginner question, I know) can a italian ship be based in Vichy France Tangiers for this purpose?

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

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ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Thanks both of you. Could never have imagined.

I understood well that ships based in Brest can cross to any of both seas? And Italian ships can cross through friendly Tanger to Cape St. Vincent? [X(] It looks to me like an Exploit.

In this case (beginner question, I know) can a italian ship be based in Vichy France Tangiers for this purpose?

Tangier is in Spanish Morocco so unless the axis goes after Spain, it is safe from being used as a transit point for Italian ships.

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ORIGINAL: praem

Those conditions are holding Gibraltar as the Axis - if you hold Gibraltar, you don't need to bypass it through Tangier [:)]

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

12 to a disorganized 1 = +25, no Shore Bombardment needed, Frederikshavn is yours automatically.

If the Syrian INF went to France then Oran or Algiers is vulnerable...

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

12 to a disorganized 1 = +25, no Shore Bombardment needed, Frederikshavn is yours automatically.

If the Syrian INF went to France then Oran or Algiers is vulnerable...

Depends on 1D10 or 2D10 (though the results are the same).